On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 16:03:27 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 13:38:08 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 2:01:33 +0000, Mark D. wrote:

On Aug 19, 2024 at 10:32:45 AM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:

"bona fide" means genuine, real.

Actually the Latin phrase means "in good faith." Genuine and real are
merely
approximations. I'll leave it to you and Roger to decide whether
bootlegged
records are in good faith.

I took "bona fide" to mean genuine

And in that connection--as I said---bootlegs are certainly not

The only people who care about whether a record is a bootleg or not are record collectors.

I'm stating a matter of fact and a matter of law.

Bootlegs are not genuine full stop

Speaking personally I have hundreds of boots on my record shelves so my personal feeling towards them is obvious,And if that isn't enough then
check out Rascio's 1970s best customer lists :)

If the record sounds good then a non record collector
doesn't give a shit as to the legality of it. They are just as happy to
get a best of album put out by Rascio as one but out by someone who
legally had the rights to issue the recordings

I can attest personally to that

BTW, I'm sure you know that lots of legitimate record labels like Collectables and Lost-Nite issued many recordings that they did not
actually have the legal right to. They would take some obscure thing
like the Hideaways on Ronni and just put it out. Sometimes they would be contacted and/or sued by the person or company that owned the master, or
by their lawyer. How do you classify those releases which are
essentially the same thing as "Kansas City" on Fury. A record issued illegally by a legit record label.

I'd describe them as "a record issued illegally by a legit record label"

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On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 15:40:11 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 13:38:08 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 2:01:33 +0000, Mark D. wrote:

On Aug 19, 2024 at 10:32:45 AM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:

"bona fide" means genuine, real.

Actually the Latin phrase means "in good faith." Genuine and real are
merely
approximations. I'll leave it to you and Roger to decide whether
bootlegged
records are in good faith.

I took "bona fide" to mean genuine

And in that connection--as I said---bootlegs are certainly not

Legalities have nothing to do with this IMO. It's a record, it plays
just like a record issued legally. It's not a "fake" record, it's a real record. I'm sure you have some bootlegs in your collection. Are they
figments of your imagination, or are they real records

I have hundreds of boots in my collection.They are all real boots

So is "Kansas City" by Wilbert Harrison a bona fide release?

It was deemed to be an illegal release by the US courts and Robinson had
to pay Herman a hefty sum. So it's no different than a bootleg, and
therefore not a genuine release in your eyes, right?

I don't know the intricacies of the Harrison case but if the courts
there say its illegal then its illegal.

But don't hold your breath waiting for me to throw my Top Rank copy (I
guess that's illegal too?)
away any time soon

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On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:26:01 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 15:40:11 +0000, Bruce wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 13:38:08 +0000, Roger wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 2:01:33 +0000, Mark D. wrote:

On Aug 19, 2024 at 10:32:45 AM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:

"bona fide" means genuine, real.

Actually the Latin phrase means "in good faith." Genuine and real are
merely
approximations. I'll leave it to you and Roger to decide whether
bootlegged
records are in good faith.

I took "bona fide" to mean genuine

And in that connection--as I said---bootlegs are certainly not

Legalities have nothing to do with this IMO. It's a record, it plays
just like a record issued legally. It's not a "fake" record, it's a real
record. I'm sure you have some bootlegs in your collection. Are they
figments of your imagination, or are they real records

I have hundreds of boots in my collection.They are all real boots

So is "Kansas City" by Wilbert Harrison a bona fide release?

It was deemed to be an illegal release by the US courts and Robinson had
to pay Herman a hefty sum. So it's no different than a bootleg, and
therefore not a genuine release in your eyes, right?

I don't know the intricacies of the Harrison case but if the courts
there say its illegal then its illegal.

But don't hold your breath waiting for me to throw my Top Rank copy (I
guess that's illegal too?)
away any time soon

I guess you are just a record collector first. Otherwise you would have
sold them all, and made a lot of money. Because only record collectors
would take the stance that you have taken here, or even care about
whether a release was bona fide or not. Non collectors like me and
pretty much everyone else in this group only care about the actual music
made by the artists, not about the physical records issued by the label
owners.

I was never that serious of a record collector other than with Fats
Domino, where I had every 45 and album except for some real early
Imperial 45s, and I had most of those on 78s. Otherwise I just wanted
the best sounding copies of the music, which is why I had a lot of
reissue albums. Most of the time things sounded better on those than on original 45s. Once Diane exposed me to MP3s, I was free to start selling
the records and I did. I still have several hundred things hanging on my
walls for decoration, but I haven't cared about owning an actual record
for over 20 years now. Give me a real clean sounding MP3 any day over
some noisy record.

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Ten fave unreleased tracks chosen from my yearly Favorites lists

Today………from 1959

LITTLE ESTHER – PAPA DO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oESWzzvtZI

Recorded February 19 1959 at a New York City session for Savoy that
produced both sides of Little Esther’s March single (that was her last
for the label) “It’s So Good”/”Do You Ever Think Of Me”.

The third track laid down was the rhythmic “Papa Do” which went into Grandpa Herman’s deepest vaults not to be seen again until 1979 when it appeared (as “Oo Papa Do”) on the massive Savoy set “Ladies Sing The Blues : Roots Of Rock ‘N’ Roll Vol.5” (which contained several other Esther performances plus songs by Big Maybelle,Albinia Jones,Miss
Rhapsody and Linda Hopkins

JOHN HALL & THE FIVE BELL AIRES – WEDDING BELLS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdjyfpizgdc

Hailing from Hartford Ct came the Five Bell Aires who have already made
an appearance in this series (see the 1958 entry in this series posted
on 12 July 2024).

The record listed there was “My Friends” by Henry Hall & The Five Bell Aires. It’s the same group that are appearing here except that the lead
is now Henry’s brother John Hall.

Recorded for M-Z Records of Middletown Ct “Wedding Bells” unfortunately never saw release at the time and
had to wait till 1990 to put an appearance on the exact same album that
bro Henry’s “My Friends” debuted on---yep,’twas “Unreleased Gems Of The
1950’s : The Hartford Groups” put out by---you guessed it---our friends
at Relic Records in Hackensack NJ

THE KING CROONERS – PRETTY LITTLE GIRL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyrB5N40GM0

Hailing from Jacksonville,Florida The King Crooners were a solid five
man group comprising John Standberry,Bobby Jones, Clifford Williams,
Alfred Corley and Douglas Marshall.

After a debut single on Hart label out of Birmingham Alabama the guys
next port of call was Ernie Young’s Excello company in Nashville where
they had a couple of singles released in 1959/1960

The very nice “Pretty Little Girl” was an outtake from their Excello sessions (not sure tho if there was more than one??) that remained in
the vaults until 1995 when it finally surfaced on the super AVI “Excello Vocal Groups” CD collection

BRENDA LEE – THE STROLL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ5C_oCEOyM

At her first Decca recording session of 1959 (on January 4th to be
exact) Brenda Lee arrived at the Bradley Studio in Nashville together
with her backing entourage Hank Garland (gtr) Harold Bradley (gtr) Bob
Moore (bass) Buddy Harman [dms), Floyd Cramer (pno) Jack Gregory (sax)
and The Anita Kerr Singers with production in the capable hands of Owen
Bradley

First up for the Brenda Lee treatment is “The Stroll”----the song under consideration here and the song
that had recently graced the higher reaches of the charts in the
Diamonds original version. Brenda doesn’t disappoint.Two other songs are
cut (both destined for the forthcoming “Grandma What Great Songs You
Sang” LP)---“Rock-A-Bye Your Baby With A Dixie Melody” and “Pretty Baby”

As for “The Stroll” it is consigned to the vaults where it remains until 1974 when it debuts on the German
Coral LP “Legends Of Rock Vol.2”

DEAN MARTIN & RICKY NELSON – MY RIFLE,MY PONY AND ME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yz-nlseVOc

One of the high spots in one of my very favorite movies---1959’s “Rio Bravo”---is this number from
Dean Martin with the able assistance of Ricky Nelson.

This Western classic is generally held in high esteem in most movie
circles and comes in as #6 on IMDb’s list of best movies of 1959

1, BEN-HUR
2. SOME LIKE IT HOT
3. SUDDENLY LAST SUMMER
4. THE 400 BLOWS (no,I never saw this one either 😊 )
5. NORTH BY NORTHWEST
6. RIO BRAVO

Tho Dino had a Capitol 45 out in 1959 of “My Rifle,My Pony And Me” this
is a different studio-made
take featuring just him and nary a sign of Ricky to be seen. The actual
movie version (WITH Ricky Nelson)
had to wait till 1998 for release when it turned up as part of Dino’s
epic “Return To Me” set on Bear Family

JIMMY McCRACKLIN – FOLSOM PRISON BLUES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xPr8K9zHzU

One of the best names in 50’s r&b takes on one of the best songs in
50’s country music when the great
Jimmy McCracklin meets up with Johnny Cash’s immortal “Folsom Prison Blues” song classic.

Cut during his brief 1959/60 soujourn with Mercury Records the loping
rendition was sadly never released at the time.It finally surfaced in
1992 on the CD “The Mercury Recordings” from our friends at Bear Family which like it says on the tin contains his entire Mercury output
including greats like “The Wobble” and “Georgia Slop”

JOHNNY POWERS – ME AND MY RHYTHM GUITAR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqb6YiYj4_M

Johnny Powers (real name John Leon Joseph Pavlik) was born in 1938 and
hailed originally from East
Detroit Mi had already cut records for several labels (including Fox and Fortune) before arriving at Sun

He had several sessions at 706 Union producing one genuine release on
the label (“With Your Love With
Your Kiss”/”Be Mine All Mine” on Sun 327 in September 1959). His usual session crew was Brad Suggs (gtr)
Billy Riley (bs) Charlie Rich (pno) M Van Eaton (dms)

“Me And My Rhythm Guitar” was cut on an unknown date in 1959 and lay in
the vaults until 1979 when it
appeared on a Sun 45 #604 (b/w “Waitin’; For You”) originating in
France (and of unknown legal status)

A more legalized first release is likely to be the songs appearance on
the mixed artists LP on Charly in
1985 “Country Rock Sides”----that features both sides of the above mentioned single plus other numbers from artists such as Vernon
Taylor,Tracy Pendarvis,Ray Smith,Warren Smith etc etc

SHIRLEY & LEE – SO TIRED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OoWmzqibBY

Likely among the last---if not the very last---numbers recorded by these
two sweethearts of the blues for the Aladdin label before they jumped
ship to Warwick in 1959.

Never issued at the time it waited literally decades to see light of day
before finally getting a release spot on their massive multi-CD Bear
Family collection “Sweethearts Of The Blues” in 1997

So....“Let The Good Times Roll!”

THE SPANIELS – AUTOMOBILES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb7tOaLagYw

Comprising Pookie Hudson,Gerald Gregory,Ernest Warren,Donald Porter and
James Cochran The Spaniels’
“Automobiles”was just one of the tracks recorded at a marathon session
for Vee Jay on August 27 1959.Never
released at the time the track finally surfaced in 1981 on a Spaniels collection on Charly in UK “Great Googley Moo”

The track got some attention on here in November 2022 when I nominated
it that months edition of Bruce’s
Obscurities contest. It did fairly well there (as most Spaniels titles nominated in various editions of the contest did) reaching the Semi
Finals.

FRANKLIN STEWART – I FORGOT TO TELL MY BABY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5U84rBF78U

Here’s Franklin Stewart native of Jackson,Tennessee and best remembered
for his excellent “That Long
Black Train” rockabilly number on Lu in 1957.

“I Forgot To Tell My Baby” was recorded at the Hi Studios in Memphis in 1959 possibly for Hi Records
itself. Whoever it was recorded for it was never issued at the time.

As far as I can tell the track first appears on the CD “Rock It : 32 Authentic R&R and Rockabilly Shakers”
in 1993 on the Rockhouse (Netherlands) label.

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