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  • Re: The Guitar solo that helped launch Rock and Roll

    From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Dec 30 04:37:56 2024
    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 05:45:41 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 4:07:45 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:36:15 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Rock and roll was launched at least a half dozen years before that solo >>>was played.

    Rock and roll was launched in 1949:

    Jimmy Preston & His Prestonians - Rock The Joint
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veGV5aWPtQo
    and there is no guitar solo

    Every black record before that was rhythm and blues.

    What non-jazz black record before 1953 had a Danny Cedrone-like guitar
    solo?

    Rock and roll started as a piano and sax based genre.

    Only for blacks and part-blacks, Bruce.

    Guitar solos have nothing to do with it.

    Only blacks and part-blacks might say that, Bruce.

    Samp has it starting in the fall of '47 with "Good Rockin' Tonight" by
    Roy Brown.

    Samp is a highly valued contributor to our 1946-1964 music knowledge.

    But, Samp seemingly has a problem in distinguishing 40s rocking
    R&B from 50s Rock'n'Roll, from a majority white perspective.

    If not that it certainly started by Wynonie's version which
    was recorded almost exactly 76 years ago today.

    Wynonie was never rock'n'roll from a 1956 white teenager's
    perspective. And that *majority* perspective rules.

    Only white assholes from the 60s think that a guitar is an essential part of rock and roll.

    (talk about a reverse *racist*)

    Ultimately, rock and roll's essence lies in its energy, rebellion, and innovation, regardless of the instruments used.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RWC on Mon Dec 30 16:10:34 2024
    On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 9:37:56 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 05:45:41 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 4:07:45 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:36:15 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Rock and roll was launched at least a half dozen years before that solo >>>>was played.

    Rock and roll was launched in 1949:

    Jimmy Preston & His Prestonians - Rock The Joint
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veGV5aWPtQo
    and there is no guitar solo

    Every black record before that was rhythm and blues.

    What non-jazz black record before 1953 had a Danny Cedrone-like guitar
    solo?

    Rock and roll started as a piano and sax based genre.

    Only for blacks and part-blacks, Bruce.

    Guitar solos have nothing to do with it.

    Only blacks and part-blacks might say that, Bruce.

    Samp has it starting in the fall of '47 with "Good Rockin' Tonight" by
    Roy Brown.

    Samp is a highly valued contributor to our 1946-1964 music knowledge.

    But, Samp seemingly has a problem in distinguishing 40s rocking
    R&B from 50s Rock'n'Roll, from a majority white perspective.

    If not that it certainly started by Wynonie's version which
    was recorded almost exactly 76 years ago today.

    Wynonie was never rock'n'roll from a 1956 white teenager's
    perspective. And that *majority* perspective rules.

    We don't care about a white teenager's perspective. They don't get to
    define a genre started by blacks.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Dec 31 10:48:04 2024
    On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 16:10:34 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    We don't care about a white teenager's perspective. They don't get to
    define a genre started by blacks.

    Blacks did not start rock and roll in the fall of 1947, they started
    rhythm and blues.

    Wynonie Harris's vocal style is deeply rooted in blues, with a raw,
    emotive delivery. While 1950s rock and roll also featured emotive
    vocals, the style often leaned more towards the energetic and
    rebellious tones of artists like Elvis Presley and Chuck Berry.

    Good Rockin' Tonight" was part of the rhythm and blues tradition that
    primarily catered to African American audiences. By the 1950s, rock
    and roll had started to cross over into mainstream American culture,
    reaching a broader, more diverse audience.

    Samp should not be your God, Bruce. Samp was mistaken in labeling
    "Good Rockin' Tonight as rock 'n' roll.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 00:38:46 2024
    Danny Cedrone
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWejpLRsgRM

    The Esquire Boys
    Caravan - 1952
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSfHpod9QpM

    f. Kay Karol:
    Rock-A-Beatin' Boogie - 1952
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjhePnulFEU

    Taboo - 1953
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k3hV7f3w_4

    Guitar Boogie Shuffle - 1953
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsvsKwClxNg

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 22:36:15 2024
    Rock and roll was launched at least a half dozen years before that solo
    was played. Although the same solo was played earlier on Haley's "Rock
    The Joint" in 1952.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNUvVoyzmHQ

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Dec 27 23:07:45 2024
    On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:36:15 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Rock and roll was launched at least a half dozen years before that solo
    was played.

    Rock and roll was launched in 1949:

    Jimmy Preston & His Prestonians - Rock The Joint https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veGV5aWPtQo
    and there is no guitar solo

    Every black record before that was rhythm and blues.

    What non-jazz black record before 1953 had a Danny Cedrone-like guitar
    solo?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RWC on Sat Dec 28 05:45:41 2024
    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 4:07:45 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 22:36:15 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Rock and roll was launched at least a half dozen years before that solo
    was played.

    Rock and roll was launched in 1949:

    Jimmy Preston & His Prestonians - Rock The Joint https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veGV5aWPtQo
    and there is no guitar solo

    Every black record before that was rhythm and blues.

    What non-jazz black record before 1953 had a Danny Cedrone-like guitar
    solo?

    Rock and roll started as a piano and sax based genre. Guitar solos have
    nothing to do with it. Only dopey white people think that, so no
    surprise that you do.

    Samp has it starting in the fall of '47 with "Good Rockin' Tonight" by
    Roy Brown. If not that it certainly started by Wynonie's version which
    was recorded almost exactly 76 years ago today. Only white assholes from
    the 60s think that a guitar is an essential part of rock and roll.

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