• MY FAVE TOP 20 BY A VOCAL GROUP.......1954

    From Roger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 3 07:53:30 2024
    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    TODAY........FROM 1954

    1. WORK WITH ME ANNIE – THE ROYALS (MIDNIGHTERS) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpRr1kfBsVQ

    At last here’s the big one for the Royals group who have graced the r&b
    scene with some splendid records over the past couple of years including “Every Beat Of My Heart”,”Moonrise” etc all done for the Federal label. “Work With Me Annie” is the real big one going to #1 on the BB r&b chart but undergoing a major change in the group’s name halfway thru this record’s run---when they become the more familiar The Midnighters!

    2. ANNIE HAD A BABY – THE MIDNIGHTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iqk2rtpj0M

    How do you follow a record like “Work With Me Annie”? There’s always the oft tried and usually tested sequel song route which in this case yields
    the predictable-but excellent-“Annie Had A Baby” which will also turn
    out to be both great to listen to—but will also return the Federal
    group back to #1 BB r&b with this classic followup.The song appeared on
    a 78 only UK pressing on Parlophone (b/w "Sexy Ways")--but which was
    made for export overseas only. I have NEVER seen a copy https://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/dp399

    3. EARTH ANGEL (WILL YOU BE MINE) – THE PENGUINS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7ibQVVzqk

    We’re about to do a roll call of some of the most famous and certainly
    most legendary of 1950’s r&b vocal group recordings so fasten your seat belts! What better place to start than with L.A.’s own The Penguins (led
    by Cleve Duncan) with their trademark anthem “Earth Angel” recorded for Dootsie Williams’ Dootone label. Charted at #8 BB pop and #1 BB r&b.
    Released in UK on London and is one of the very rarest of the rare
    British releases of the 50's

    4. GLORIA – THE CADILLACS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB9qghkOD4Y

    Glorious “Gloria”! One of the greatest ever debuts in the vocal group
    side of rock ‘n’ roll history as The Cadillacs make their first
    appearance on record on the Josie label with a revival of the beautiful
    ballad first recorded back in 1946 by Bob Hayward. Did not chart and no
    UK release

    5. THE WIND – THE DIABLOS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAuPUp7joVQ

    Time to hear from dazzling Detroit now as the city’s finest The Diablos fronted by Nolan Strong step forward with their best record (IMO) the
    wonderful “The Wind” on the Fortune label (a song picked up later in a
    good version by NYC’s The Jesters recorded partly because of increased interest in the song later on in east coast locations

    6. YOUR CASH AIN’T NOTHIN’ BUT TRASH – THE CLOVERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uOeagMD2qg

    Recorded in NYC April 16 1954 at the session for Atlantic that also
    produced “In The Morning Time” and the unissued “Nobody But You”. “Your
    Cash Ain’t Nothin’ But Trash” became their second single of 1954 following “Lovey Dovey” Charted at #6 BB r&b.. Released in UK as
    Atlantic single---but not till 1968 (!)

    7. SINCERELY – THE MOONGLOWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzoohKxQfZY

    Here’s the song that Alan Freed sat up all night co-writing—The Moonglows’ first record for the Chess label with a splendid lead by
    Bobby Lester. It reached #1 on BB r&b chart spawning a very successful
    pop cover by The McGuire Sisters (#1 in BB). We only got one version
    here in UK (no prizes for guessing which)

    8. GOODNITE SWEETHEART GOODNITE – THE SPANIELS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhe1zoKGqFQ

    One of the most famous “sign off” songs of all was recorded for Vee Jay September 23 1953 and released in March 1954.A good seller for them it
    reached #5 BB r&b Again it was covered by dem same damn McGuire Sisters
    who again got the big pop hit.This time neither version was issued in UK

    9. BABY I NEED YOU – THE EL DORADOS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd6XFMbJt9A

    Enter the El Darados as ultra-rare original copies have it (later
    pressings switched to the name in the header here). Again these guys
    were signed to Vee Jay in Chicago and this was their debut record. This didn’t chart (they’d have to wait till 1955 and “At My Front Door” for that). This group NEVER had a UK single released

    10. WHITE CHRISTMAS – THE DRIFTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_9bvTK0bg

    Not the first version of the Christmas perennial by a blues group (that
    honor goes to the Ravens in 1948). Recorded February 4 1954 the Irving
    Berlin Christmas anthem ---popularized by Der Bingle of course---in this Drifters version for Atlantic utilized both Clyde McPhatter and Bill
    Pinkney as shared lead. The record charted multiple times (in various
    years) on both BB charts peaking at #80 (in 1955 pop) and #2 (1954
    r&b). No UK release

    11. RIOT IN CELL BLOCK #9 – THE ROBINS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjUDbEage6M

    Not only one of The Robins best but also one of Leiber & Stoller’s best numbers too and was the first release by the group on L&S‘s own Spark
    record label. Because of the pretty vivid storyline the record found
    itself banned on quite a few radio stations which surely affected sales
    as it didn’t chart. Not released UK

    12. I LIKE IT LIKE THAT – THE “5” ROYALES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLVifFQkyEk

    Backed by Charlie “Little Jazz” Ferguson & his band this “highly
    rhythmic effort” on the Apollo label as Billboard termed it in their
    review is to my mind one of the best things the Royales ever did and
    certainly one of my top favorites by them. Sadly in spite of all it had
    going for it the record failed to chart

    13. HEARTS OF STONE – THE JEWELS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WekSBhauyfQ

    Led by Johnny Torrence here are five man Jewels outfit from Los Angeles
    with their splendid original version of the much recorded “Hearts Of
    Stone” song on the small R&B label. Most of the r&b sales on the song
    went to the Otis Williams and his group The Charms (see below) who took
    their cover version to #1 BB r&b whilst the pop sales were dominated by
    the million selling Fontane Sisters version which made #1 on the BB pop
    chart. There were a LOT of other versions too but I’ll stick with dem glittering Jewels

    14. SH-BOOM – THE CHORDS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfoseSZtllo

    Another original version here and another that spawned a whole raft of
    cover versions.This time our heroes come from the Bronx with one of the earliest real true anthems of rock ‘n’ roll that again spawned a myriad
    of cover versions. Signed by Atlantic their first record “Sh-Boom”
    appeared on their new subsid Cat label and promptly started selling big
    even crossing over to the BB pop charts where it made #5 (and #2 BB r&b) followed by other covers including The Crew Cuts #1 pop hit and a very
    humorous comedy version by Stan Freberg (#14 BB pop)

    15. WOMEN AND CADILLACS – THE NITE RIDERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDAuQb8N6w

    Led by “Doc” Starkes The Nite Riders enjoyed a fairly lengthy career
    (right into the 60’s) starting off with the rocking “Women And
    Cadillacs” recorded for the Apollo label. Cash Box in their review
    called it “a quick beat r&b cutie”. As with so many vocal group items
    from this era this was booted big time in the 1970’s

    16. SEXY WAYS – THE MIDNIGHTERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMkWkDLEC0g

    The immediate followup to “Work With Me Annie” (and BEFORE “Annie Had A Baby”) on Federal which explains the notice “Formerly The Royals” under the artist credit on the record label. A good seller for the boys it sat
    at #2 on the BB r&b chart. See entry #2 above re UK release

    17. BIP BAM – THE DRIFTERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjJl2zJbY5M

    With a rockin’ Clyde McPhatter lead The Drifters show up again here with “Bip Bam” recorded November 12 1953 at a session that also produced "Don’t Dog Me”,”Such A Night” and “Warm Your Heart”. Released in October
    1954 the Atlantic release coupled With “Someday You’ll Want Me To Want You” scored a #7 hit BB r&b

    18. HEARTS OF STONE – THE CHARMS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O0wuGaEBkM

    Tho I prefer the Jewels original version (see above) The Charms cover
    for DeLuxe was certainly THE big version in the r&b market where it
    spent NINE weeks at #1 in Billboard and even crossed over to their main
    pop chart (#15 there). Amazingly this managed to get a UK release—but
    not until well into 1955 where---coupled with “Ko Ko Mo”---it appeared
    on the Parlophone label

    19. WRAP IT UP – THE ROBINS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIjzweLly8g

    The Robins score again here with the Carl Gardner-led “Wrap It Up”
    another Leiber & Stoller anthem for their Spark label and released as
    the flipside to the famous “Riot In Cell Block #9” (see above)

    20. I USED TO CRY MERCY MERCY – THE LAMPLIGHTERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN5vIwAM91c

    A cracking Rudolph Toombs number here for The Lamplighters with their
    fourth release on Federal. A strong four man outfit featuring future
    hitmaker one Thurston Harris,they should really have been much bigger
    than they were. Good sellers on the West Coast but not many other places apparently.

    BUBBLING UNDER

    21. LOVE’S ALL I’M PUTTIN’ DOWN – THE SPIDERS (UNRELEASED)
    22. LET’S MAKE UP – THE SPANIELS
    23. GOD ONLY KNOWS – THE CAPRIS
    24. FRAMED – THE ROBINS
    25. MARY LEE – THE RAINBOWS

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 3 20:34:34 2024
    Here is what I have for 1954:

    MY TOP VOCAL GROUP RECORDINGS FROM 1954:
    1 ¦ Baby I Need You ¦ El Dorados
    2 ¦ I Was Wrong ¦ Moonglows
    3 ¦ Annie Had A Baby ¦ Midnighters
    4 ¦ My Lovin' Baby ¦ El Dorados
    5 ¦ Wrap It Up ¦ Robins
    6 ¦ You Ain't Ready ¦ Flamingos
    7 ¦ Love's All I'm Puttin' Down ¦ Spiders
    8 ¦ Ling Ting Tong ¦ Five Keys
    9 ¦ The Wind ¦ Diablos
    10 ¦ Work With Me Annie ¦ Royals
    11 ¦ Let's Make Up ¦ Spaniels
    12 ¦ I'm Slippin' In ¦ Spiders
    13 ¦ I Used To Cry Mercy Mercy ¦ Lamplighters
    14 ¦ Sincerely ¦ Moonglows
    15 ¦ Hearts Of Stone ¦ Jewels
    16 ¦ Buick 59 ¦ Medallions
    17 ¦ Riot In Cell Block # 9 ¦ Robins
    18 ¦ Gloria ¦ Cadillacs
    19 ¦ Hearts Of Stone ¦ Charms
    20 ¦ God Only Knows ¦ Capris
    21 ¦ Real Gone Mama ¦ Moonglows
    22 ¦ Give It Up ¦ Midnighters
    23 ¦ 219 Train ¦ Moonglows
    24 ¦ Earth Angel ¦ Penguins
    25 ¦ Jump Children ¦ Flamingos
    26 ¦ Sh-Boom ¦ Chords
    27 ¦ Tweedle Dee ¦ LaVern Baker
    28 ¦ White Christmas ¦ Drifters
    29 ¦ Don't Stop Dan ¦ Checkers
    30 ¦ Honey Love ¦ Drifters
    31 ¦ You've Been Fooling Around ¦ Checkers
    32 ¦ Sexy Ways ¦ Midnighters
    33 ¦ Hey Senorita ¦ Penguins
    34 ¦ Warm Your Heart ¦ Drifters
    35 ¦ Goodnite, Sweetheart, Goodnite ¦ Spaniels
    36 ¦ I Wanna Know ¦ Lamplighters
    37 ¦ Your Cash Ain't Nothing But Trash ¦ Clovers
    38 ¦ My Baby Dearest Darling ¦ Charms
    39 ¦ Ookey Ook ¦ Penguins
    40 ¦ Lovey Dovey ¦ Clovers
    41 ¦ Rice, Red Beans And Turnip Greens ¦ Tempo-Toppers (Little Richard)
    42 ¦ Crazy Loving (Stay With Me) ¦ Midnighters
    43 ¦ Framed ¦ Robins
    44 ¦ Blue Valentine ¦ Solitaires
    45 ¦ Play It Cool ¦ Spaniels
    46 ¦ Sister Lucy ¦ Bobby Mitchell & Toppers
    47 ¦ Tears Began To Flow ¦ Spiders
    48 ¦ Annie's Answer ¦ Hazel McCollum and El Dorados
    49 ¦ Bip Bam ¦ Drifters
    50 ¦ My Gal ¦ Moonglows
    51 ¦ Blues In A Letter ¦ Flamingos
    52 ¦ It Was Just For Laughs ¦ Harptones
    53 ¦ Oh Yes I Know ¦ Jewels
    54 ¦ My Memories Of You ¦ Harptones
    55 ¦ Mellow As A Man Can Be ¦ Hollywood Flames (unissued master)
    56 ¦ Lonesome Desert ¦ Young Jessie (Flairs)
    57 ¦ Deep In My Heart ¦ Five Keys
    58 ¦ Little Mama ¦ Clovers
    59 ¦ Mercy Me ¦ Lil Greenwood & Lamplighters
    60 ¦ Plan For Love ¦ Flamingos
    61 ¦ 333 ¦ Drifters
    62 ¦ Dig That Crazy Santa Claus ¦ Oscar McLollie
    63 ¦ Mmm Mmm Baby ¦ Spiders
    64 ¦ Real Humdinger ¦ Five Pearls
    65 ¦ Loop De Loop Mambo ¦ Robins
    66 ¦ Lucille ¦ Drifters
    67 ¦ Sneakin' Around ¦ B.B. King
    68 ¦ Untrue ¦ Crows
    69 ¦ Smoke From Your Cigarette ¦ Mellows
    70 ¦ Secret Love ¦ Moonglows
    71 ¦ Mellow Mama ¦ Spiders
    72 ¦ Wailin' Little Mama ¦ Counts
    73 ¦ I Confess ¦ Clovers
    74 ¦ House With No Windows ¦ Checkers
    75 ¦ All Righty Oh Sweetie ¦ Clovers
    76 ¦ Going Home ¦ Jimmy Ricks (Ravens)
    77 ¦ Over A Cup of Coffee ¦ Castelles
    78 ¦ Johnny Darling ¦ Feathers
    79 ¦ Stingy Little Thing ¦ Midnighters
    80 ¦ Such A Night ¦ Drifters
    81 ¦ Bye Bye Young Men ¦ Ruth Brown
    82 ¦ I've Got My Eyes On You ¦ Clovers
    83 ¦ Mary Lee ¦ Rainbows
    84 ¦ I Wonder Why ¦ Cadillacs
    85 ¦ Daddy Daddy ¦ Richard Berry & Dreamers
    86 ¦ I'm Stuck ¦ Five Jets
    87 ¦ Love Me Girl ¦ Flairs
    88 ¦ I Like It Like That ¦ Five Royales
    89 ¦ Oop Shoop ¦ Shirley Gunter & Queens
    90 ¦ Forget It ¦ Larks
    91 ¦ I Do ¦ Five Royales
    92 ¦ Fine Fine Girl ¦ Moonglows
    93 ¦ Somebody Touched Me ¦ Ruth Brown
    94 ¦ Key To My Heart ¦ Robins
    95 ¦ Ooh Rocking Daddy ¦ Moonglows
    96 ¦ Monkey Hips and Rice ¦ Five Royales
    97 ¦ I Long For You ¦ Five C's
    98 ¦ Don't Blooper ¦ Grady Chapman & Suedes
    99 ¦ Hot Tamales ¦ Counts
    100 ¦ Fifty Five Seconds ¦ Charms
    101 ¦ Oo-Ee Baby ¦ Lloyd Price
    102 ¦ I'm A Young Man ¦ Bobby Mitchell & Toppers
    103 ¦ Beg and Steal ¦ Strangers
    104 ¦ Talk About The Weather ¦ Gems
    105 ¦ She Keeps Me Wondering ¦ Spiders
    106 ¦ Someday You'll Want Me To Want You ¦ Drifters
    107 ¦ She's The One ¦ Midnighters
    108 ¦ Darling Dear ¦ Counts
    109 ¦ Please Remember My Heart ¦ Solitaires
    110 ¦ Baby's Gone ¦ Bobby Mitchell & Toppers
    111 ¦ The Bells of St Mary's ¦ Drifters
    112 ¦ Let Me Come Back Home ¦ Five Royales
    113 ¦ Gettin' High ¦ Flairs
    114 ¦ Baby Wants ¦ Flairs
    115 ¦ What You Do To Me ¦ Richard Berry
    116 ¦ Let's Make with Some Love ¦ Flairs
    117 ¦ Dead Broke ¦ Du Droppers
    118 ¦ I Wasn't Thinking, I Was Drinking ¦ Checkers
    119 ¦ Shoo Doo Be Doo (My Loving Baby) ¦ Bobby Lester & Moonlighters
    120 ¦ Oh But She Did ¦ Opals
    121 ¦ No There Ain't No News Today ¦ Penguins
    122 ¦ Blue Flowers ¦ Strangers
    123 ¦ Lawdy Lawdy Miss Mary ¦ Five Keys
    124 ¦ Ain't Nothing Wrong With That ¦ Shufflers
    125 ¦ Listen To My Plea ¦ Flamingos
    126 ¦ All Women Are The Same ¦ Hawks
    127 ¦ He's The Fat Man ¦ Hawks
    128 ¦ Mama's Daughter ¦ Checkers
    129 ¦ Soup Line ¦ Leon Tarver & Chordones
    130 ¦ Bluesy Me ¦ Dave Collins & Scrubs
    131 ¦ A Fool in Paradise ¦ Jewels
    132 ¦ Nobody But Me ¦ Hawks
    133 ¦ Ain't Gonna Do It ¦ Pelicans
    134 ¦ It Won't Take Long (alternate) ¦ Native Boys
    135 ¦ Please Please Baby ¦ Five Hearts
    136 ¦ Baby Let's Play House ¦ Thunderbirds
    137 ¦ That Woman ¦ Midnighters
    138 ¦ Got Ta Feed The Ol' Horse Lotta Hay ¦ Volumes
    139 ¦ School Girl ¦ Five Royales
    140 ¦ Every Day ¦ Peacheroos
    141 ¦ I'm Gonna Move To The Outskirts of Town ¦ Dominoes
    142 ¦ Big Wig Walk ¦ Marbles
    143 ¦ Bazoom (I Need Your Lovin') ¦ Cheers
    144 ¦ You Gotta Be Good To Yourself ¦ Dolly Cooper (Wanderers)
    145 ¦ Rainbow Of Love ¦ Cherokees
    146 ¦ Love Will Make Your Mind Go Wild ¦ Penguins
    147 ¦ The Letter ¦ Medallions
    148 ¦ Wishing Well ¦ Cadillacs
    149 ¦ Baby Come A Little Bit Closer ¦ Five Willows
    150 ¦ Lizabeth ¦ Thrillers

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Nov 3 21:04:54 2024
    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 20:32:05 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 7:53:30 +0000, Roger wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    15. WOMEN AND CADILLACS – THE NITE RIDERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDAuQb8N6w

    And here is a perfect example of how caring about names of groups and
    what record labels say gets you in trouble. There is only one voice on
    this record. There is no possible way that it can be classified as a
    vocal group record.

    Really?? I honestly never heard that before. Okay I accept what you say
    and we're even for that Gene Pitney thing (hey did I ever mention here
    that I once took.....gee I must have done!).

    Take out the Nite Riders,move everything below it up one notch and make
    the new #25 "Get With It" - The Flamingos

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sun Nov 3 20:32:05 2024
    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 7:53:30 +0000, Roger wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    15. WOMEN AND CADILLACS – THE NITE RIDERS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDAuQb8N6w

    And here is a perfect example of how caring about names of groups and
    what record labels say gets you in trouble. There is only one voice on
    this record. There is no possible way that it can be classified as a
    vocal group record.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sun Nov 3 21:18:12 2024
    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:04:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 20:32:05 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 7:53:30 +0000, Roger wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    15. WOMEN AND CADILLACS – THE NITE RIDERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDAuQb8N6w

    And here is a perfect example of how caring about names of groups and
    what record labels say gets you in trouble. There is only one voice on
    this record. There is no possible way that it can be classified as a
    vocal group record.

    Really?? I honestly never heard that before. Okay I accept what you say
    and we're even for that Gene Pitney thing

    No, I still say that "Love My Life Away" is a vocal group record. Who is singing the rest of the vocal parts is not relevant to whether or not
    it's a vocal group record.

    Same as the Blue Sky Boys and "The Longest Time" by Billy Joel.
    Otherwise you better contact Kreiter and tell him that he has a lot of
    records listed in his "Vocal Group Record Guide" that are no vocal group records.

    Like this one from Steve Propes' favorite vocal group.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8j-px3fojw

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Nov 3 21:55:51 2024
    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:18:12 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:04:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 20:32:05 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 7:53:30 +0000, Roger wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    15. WOMEN AND CADILLACS – THE NITE RIDERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDAuQb8N6w

    And here is a perfect example of how caring about names of groups and
    what record labels say gets you in trouble. There is only one voice on
    this record. There is no possible way that it can be classified as a
    vocal group record.

    Really?? I honestly never heard that before. Okay I accept what you say
    and we're even for that Gene Pitney thing

    No, I still say that "Love My Life Away" is a vocal group record. Who is singing the rest of the vocal parts is not relevant to whether or not
    it's a vocal group record.

    Same as the Blue Sky Boys and "The Longest Time" by Billy Joel.
    Otherwise you better contact Kreiter and tell him that he has a lot of records listed in his "Vocal Group Record Guide" that are no vocal group records.

    Like this one from Steve Propes' favorite vocal group.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8j-px3fojw

    There is NO WAY that a record with just ONE person multi-tracked singing
    is a vocal group record and Kreiter can go jump in a lake

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sun Nov 3 22:47:07 2024
    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:55:51 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:18:12 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:04:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 20:32:05 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 7:53:30 +0000, Roger wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    15. WOMEN AND CADILLACS – THE NITE RIDERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDAuQb8N6w

    And here is a perfect example of how caring about names of groups and
    what record labels say gets you in trouble. There is only one voice on >>>> this record. There is no possible way that it can be classified as a
    vocal group record.

    Really?? I honestly never heard that before. Okay I accept what you say
    and we're even for that Gene Pitney thing

    No, I still say that "Love My Life Away" is a vocal group record. Who is
    singing the rest of the vocal parts is not relevant to whether or not
    it's a vocal group record.

    Same as the Blue Sky Boys and "The Longest Time" by Billy Joel.
    Otherwise you better contact Kreiter and tell him that he has a lot of
    records listed in his "Vocal Group Record Guide" that are no vocal group
    records.

    Like this one from Steve Propes' favorite vocal group.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8j-px3fojw

    There is NO WAY that a record with just ONE person multi-tracked singing
    is a vocal group record and Kreiter can go jump in a lake

    Should Propes jump in too?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sun Nov 3 23:11:36 2024
    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 22:47:07 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:55:51 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:18:12 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:04:54 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 20:32:05 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 7:53:30 +0000, Roger wrote:

    MY FAVE 20 RECORDS BY A VOCAL GROUP

    15. WOMEN AND CADILLACS – THE NITE RIDERS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDAuQb8N6w

    And here is a perfect example of how caring about names of groups and >>>>> what record labels say gets you in trouble. There is only one voice on >>>>> this record. There is no possible way that it can be classified as a >>>>> vocal group record.

    Really?? I honestly never heard that before. Okay I accept what you say >>>> and we're even for that Gene Pitney thing

    No, I still say that "Love My Life Away" is a vocal group record. Who is >>> singing the rest of the vocal parts is not relevant to whether or not
    it's a vocal group record.

    Same as the Blue Sky Boys and "The Longest Time" by Billy Joel.
    Otherwise you better contact Kreiter and tell him that he has a lot of
    records listed in his "Vocal Group Record Guide" that are no vocal group >>> records.

    Like this one from Steve Propes' favorite vocal group.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8j-px3fojw

    There is NO WAY that a record with just ONE person multi-tracked singing
    is a vocal group record and Kreiter can go jump in a lake

    Should Propes jump in too?

    What about the tons of recordings where one person plays more than one instrument on the same recording. If a band like the Beatles makes a
    record where Paul plays more than one instrument (like bass and
    keyboards), does that mean that the it's no longer a record by a band?

    The only Beatle who plays on "Yesterday" is Paul. Does that mean that
    it's not a Beatles record?

    The only Beatle who plays on "Within You, Without You" is George. Does
    that mean that it's not a Beatles record?

    Only John and Paul play on "The Ballad of John And Yoko." George and
    Paul were on holiday and John wanted to record it right away. So Paul
    played the drums and they overdubbed other parts too. Does that mean
    that it's not a Beatles record?

    On "Back In The USSR" Paul plays the drums as well as the bass as Ringo
    had quit the band for a few days at that time. Does that mean that this
    track is not a Beatles record?

    If one person is allowed to overdub an instrument on a recording, why
    can't they also overdub a voice or even all of the voices on a
    recording?

    There are plenty of records where the lead also overdubs background
    vocals.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Nov 4 07:50:56 2024
    On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 20:34:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Here is what I have for 1954:

    Here's the vocal group records from here that made my Top 200 1954 list

    1 ¦ Baby I Need You ¦ El Dorados
    #28 - 9
    2 ¦ I Was Wrong ¦ Moonglows
    #76 - 8
    3 ¦ Annie Had A Baby ¦ Midnighters
    #8 - 10
    5 ¦ Wrap It Up ¦ Robins
    #39 - 9
    7 ¦ Love's All I'm Puttin' Down ¦ Spiders
    #41 - 9
    8 ¦ Ling Ting Tong ¦ Five Keys
    #145 - 8
    9 ¦ The Wind ¦ Diablos
    #14 - 10
    10 ¦ Work With Me Annie ¦ Royals
    #7 - 10
    11 ¦ Let's Make Up ¦ Spaniels
    #45 - 9
    12 ¦ I'm Slippin' In ¦ Spiders
    #80 - 8
    13 ¦ I Used To Cry Mercy Mercy ¦ Lamplighters
    #40 - 9
    14 ¦ Sincerely ¦ Moonglows
    #19 - 10
    15 ¦ Hearts Of Stone ¦ Jewels
    #32 - 9
    16 ¦ Buick 59 ¦ Medallions
    #81 - 8
    17 ¦ Riot In Cell Block # 9 ¦ Robins
    #30 - 9
    18 ¦ Gloria ¦ Cadillacs
    #10 - 10
    19 ¦ Hearts Of Stone ¦ Charms
    #38 - 9
    20 ¦ God Only Knows ¦ Capris
    #51 - 9
    21 ¦ Real Gone Mama ¦ Moonglows
    #146 - 8
    22 ¦ Give It Up ¦ Midnighters
    #100 - 8
    23 ¦ 219 Train ¦ Moonglows
    #149 - 8
    24 ¦ Earth Angel ¦ Penguins
    #9 - 10
    25 ¦ Jump Children ¦ Flamingos
    #154 - 8
    26 ¦ Sh-Boom ¦ Chords
    #33 - 9
    28 ¦ White Christmas ¦ Drifters
    #29 - 9
    29 ¦ Don't Stop Dan ¦ Checkers
    #163 - 8
    30 ¦ Honey Love ¦ Drifters
    #148 - 8
    32 ¦ Sexy Ways ¦ Midnighters
    #36 - 9
    33 ¦ Hey Senorita ¦ Penguins
    #111 - 8
    34 ¦ Warm Your Heart ¦ Drifters
    #110 - 8
    35 ¦ Goodnite, Sweetheart, Goodnite ¦ Spaniels
    #20 - 10
    36 ¦ I Wanna Know ¦ Lamplighters
    #77 - 8
    37 ¦ Your Cash Ain't Nothing But Trash ¦ Clovers
    #18 - 10
    40 ¦ Lovey Dovey ¦ Clovers
    #147 - 8
    43 ¦ Framed ¦ Robins
    #66 - 8
    45 ¦ Play It Cool ¦ Spaniels
    #90 - 8
    46 ¦ Sister Lucy ¦ Bobby Mitchell & Toppers
    #116 - 8
    48 ¦ Annie's Answer ¦ Hazel McCollum and El Dorados
    #129 - 8
    49 ¦ Bip Bam ¦ Drifters
    #37 -9
    57 ¦ Deep In My Heart ¦ Five Keys
    #187 - 8
    58 ¦ Little Mama ¦ Clovers
    #109 - 8
    61 ¦ 333 ¦ Drifters
    #159 - 8
    64 ¦ Real Humdinger ¦ Five Pearls
    #135 - 8
    65 ¦ Loop De Loop Mambo ¦ Robins
    #117 – 8
    66 ¦ Lucille ¦ Drifters
    #75 – 8
    69 ¦ Smoke From Your Cigarette ¦ Mellows
    I show this in 1955
    77 ¦ Over A Cup of Coffee ¦ Castelles
    #101 - 8
    82 ¦ I've Got My Eyes On You ¦ Clovers
    #198 – 8
    83 ¦ Mary Lee ¦ Rainbows
    #67 - 8
    88 ¦ I Like It Like That ¦ Five Royales
    #31 - 9
    95 ¦ Ooh Rocking Daddy ¦ Moonglows
    #179 - 8
    99 ¦ Hot Tamales ¦ Counts
    #139 - 8
    102 ¦ I'm A Young Man ¦ Bobby Mitchell & Toppers
    #184 - 8
    109 ¦ Please Remember My Heart ¦ Solitaires
    #69 - 8
    120 ¦ Oh But She Did ¦ Opals
    #157 – 8
    127 ¦ He's The Fat Man ¦ Hawks
    #153 - 8
    148 ¦ Wishing Well ¦ Cadillacs
    #171 – 8

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