• Do I really need an arbor press ?

    From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 11 22:35:10 2025
    Well , the point is moot now cuz I got one . We stopped at a yard
    sale this afternoon and there it was , in all it's green metal-flake
    glory . As best as I can determine it is identical to a 2 ton unit
    selling on eBay for around 250 bucks new . This one's almost like new
    and I got it for a measly 40 bucks . I almost passed on it since I have
    a nice 20 ton HF press with an air/hydraulic jack . I guess now I need
    to find jobs to use it on , like pushing broaches or sumpin' . I was
    told it came from the shop of a machinist who "built guns" . I was also
    told he's in jail now ...
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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Apr 12 11:08:43 2025
    On 4/11/2025 8:35 PM, Snag wrote:
      Well , the point is moot now cuz I got one . We stopped at a yard
    sale this afternoon and there it was , in all it's green metal-flake
    glory . As best as I can determine it is identical to a 2 ton unit
    selling on eBay for around 250 bucks new . This one's almost like new
    and I got it for a measly 40 bucks . I almost passed on it since I have
    a nice 20 ton HF press with an air/hydraulic jack . I guess now I need
    to find jobs to use it on , like pushing broaches or sumpin' . I was
    told it came from the shop of a machinist who "built guns" . I was also
    told he's in jail now ...


    I have three hydraulic shop presses, but for many small jobs my arbor
    press is much faster and more convenient. I easily use the arbor press hundreds of times more often than all the hydraulic presses combined.

    Then again I use the arbor press to set alignment pins in molds I make
    everyday so...

    Seriously if it has enough leverage to do the job its far faster than a hydraulic press. Even those with air over jacks on them. Probably
    faster than one with conventional hydraulics and an electric pump as well.

    They just tend to have a lot lower max limit than a hydraulic press, and
    don't have the kinetic mass energy of a fly press.



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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Apr 12 15:37:33 2025
    On 4/12/2025 3:20 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vtea79$120nh$1@dont-email.me...

    On 4/11/2025 8:35 PM, Snag wrote:
       Well , the point is moot now cuz I got one ...

    I have three hydraulic shop presses, but for many small jobs my arbor
    press is much faster and more convenient.  I easily use the arbor press hundreds of times more often than all the hydraulic presses combined. ---------------------------

    I tend to use the milling vise as a light duty press because alignment
    on parallels etc is easier. The handle force isn't excessive for 1000
    Lbs of clamping pressure.



    Did I mentioned I have a 6 ton (supposedly) arbor press.



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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Apr 12 16:59:35 2025
    On 4/12/2025 4:49 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vtepvd$1fud7$1@dont-email.me...

    On 4/12/2025 3:20 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vtea79$120nh$1@dont-email.me...

    On 4/11/2025 8:35 PM, Snag wrote:
       Well , the point is moot now cuz I got one ...

    I have three hydraulic shop presses, but for many small jobs my arbor
    press is much faster and more convenient.  I easily use the arbor press
    hundreds of times more often than all the hydraulic presses combined.
    ---------------------------

    I tend to use the milling vise as a light duty press because alignment
    on parallels etc is easier. The handle force isn't excessive for 1000
    Lbs of clamping pressure.

    Did I mentioned I have a 6 ton (supposedly) arbor press.
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    My equipment is meant for the relatively light work typical of
    electronics and consists of machines appropriate to industrial model,
    tool makers or prototyping shops, i.e. in the space between hobby and production where I operated.

    That is a broad space and all of it overlaps. I started selling molds
    made on a Taig CNC mill years ago.


    An ad for the Heavy 10 lathe recommends it
    for short production, tool-room and maintenance. The collection would
    have been an inventor's dream in the 1960s when it was all new and
    tight, now it shows its 60+ year age.

    Plenty of wannabe experts will say that old stuff is better than many of
    the new import machines I run today. They would be wrong. If they were
    both in new condition at the same time it might be, but its rare a 60
    year old machine is going to be better.


    It is NOT money-making production machinery which is why it was
    available and affordable. It's probably too small for practical ore processing projects, the machines I've made with it challenged its
    capacity. Segway had a 15" lathe and 12x48(?) Bridgeport, both CNC,

    12x48 was likely the table size. The series 1 I have (still on the
    trailer) may have a table that size, but if I recall its travel is
    either 11 or 12 by 18. I have a mill (manual) in the back that is sold
    as a 12 x54, but its travels are 16 by 35 (maybe 36).

    which accommodated larger projects. Both were more awkward to use than
    my machines for my usually cut-and-try small parts and off-sized repairs.


    I have debated something like a watch maker's lathe for smaller parts,
    but I can usually muddle by with the 14x40. I also consider the Taig
    5C CNC lathe. Its basically a Taig mill with a lathe spindle instead of
    a column. I kept the Harbor Freight 8.5x18 for small parts, but I
    haven't turned it on in over a year. Might be time to use it as a boat
    anchor, and hope the rope breaks. Nah, it still works kinda sorta.


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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Apr 12 22:35:35 2025
    On 4/12/2025 9:29 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vteup7$1jgvb$1@dont-email.me...

    I have debated something like a watch maker's lathe for smaller parts,

    Here is an option for turning small parts that aren't collet sized and
    may need close in hand work like filing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/373813537400

    I made a 1" (into collet) to 1-1/2" - 8 adapter for mine, which is
    stamped "1/8 - 5/8 cap." It also allows a large chuck you don't want to change to hold small work. They screw directly onto this style of indexer: https://www.amazon.com/DBM-IMPORTS-Universal-Dividing-Spindle/dp/B0881MKLXG


    If I'm going to mount a drill chuck in my spindle I'll use one of my tailstock chucks and an adapter sleeve to 3MT. Now I'm curious about how
    much runout that setup might have . Maybe I'll look into that tomorrow
    after I finish making bread . We're out of everything but loaf bread ...
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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun Apr 13 10:19:24 2025
    On 4/12/2025 7:29 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vteup7$1jgvb$1@dont-email.me...

    I have debated something like a watch maker's lathe for smaller parts,

    Here is an option for turning small parts that aren't collet sized and
    may need close in hand work like filing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/373813537400


    One of my projects from a gazillion years ago... I used to play
    Calcutta pool tournaments in a local bar growing up. My mom okayed it,
    and the bar said it was okay for me to be there at night during the
    tournament. During the days I'd stop by to just play if I had time and
    money, but at night I was only allowed in for tournaments. I think I
    started around 12-14 years old. It wasn't until I was 16 that I won my
    first decent jackpot. A few years later I started shooting in three
    tournaments a week.

    Anyway, during that time period I discovered what I liked and didn't
    like about some cues, and I found I liked a cue with less taper in the
    shaft. Unfortunately of the cues I found with less taper I could afford
    they tended to be warped or very light or both. K-Mart used to sell a
    line of pool cues with a Dufferin brand name. They weren't cheap, but
    they were a lot cheaper than many of the more famous brands, and they
    were built with a good straight, straight grain maple, probably rock
    maple, shaft.

    I also bought a wood lathe for another interest. I made a plate that
    threaded onto the spindle of my wood lathe with a screw through the
    center to thread on the chuck from a hand drill motor. I made this with scrap/junk parts we had laying around. It wasn't perfect, but it was
    not bad. The Dufferin cues had a metal shaft stub on the front shaft
    that extended into the rear shaft socket when threaded together. This
    made them very tough and usable as a breaking cue. I never had a joint
    loosen up on one. I would chuck that stub shaft in the drill chuck, and
    then poke the leather tip onto the tail stock center. I always replaced
    the tips with a softer tip anyway, so that was no big deal. This setup
    allowed me to reshape the taper of a 21 ounces cue to something I liked
    better and still have a 19.5-20 ounce cue when I was done. I got back
    part of that weight by wrapping the big end with 72lb braided dacron
    fishing line.

    Anyway, sticking a drill chuck on the business end of a lathe is nothing
    new to me. I did it long before I learned how easy it is to do with
    modern machine tools like Snag suggested. The 8.5x18, the 7x16, and the
    14x40 all have tapers or taper adapters that can easily accept a
    standard Morse Taper. I don't know about the turret lathe. I haven't
    checked.




    I made a 1" (into collet) to 1-1/2" - 8 adapter for mine, which is
    stamped "1/8 - 5/8 cap." It also allows a large chuck you don't want to change to hold small work. They screw directly onto this style of indexer: https://www.amazon.com/DBM-IMPORTS-Universal-Dividing-Spindle/dp/B0881MKLXG


    I have made a few straight collets for special things. One I use fairly
    often is for a #7 drill on the big (for me) manual mill so I can
    maximize table clearance for tall parts before I have to swing the head
    and hang a tall part off the side of the table.

    Sometimes when I have small parts I'll use a straight shank ER collet in
    the set-tru chuck or the 4 jaw chuck on the 14x40. RPM is a little low
    at a max of 2550, but it works. ER collets don't have much range in a
    single collet, but they are available between metric and standard inch
    in such a greater number of sizes that its rare you can't find one that
    will work... and I may have stretched, or over tightened one once or
    twice.



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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Mon Apr 14 15:56:24 2025
    On 4/13/2025 12:55 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vtgrmq$3ar53$1@dont-email.me...

    Anyway, sticking a drill chuck on the business end of a lathe is nothing
    new to me.  I did it long before I learned how easy it is to do with
    modern machine tools like Snag suggested.
    ------------------------------
    As a lathe the Shopsmith had the choice of a spur center, faceplate or
    the drill chuck, fine for wood, not so much for metal so I had to
    improvise.



    In any case Snag will likely find an arbor press is more useful than he
    thinks.


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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Mon Apr 14 19:19:12 2025
    On 4/14/2025 5:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 4/13/2025 12:55 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vtgrmq$3ar53$1@dont-email.me...

    Anyway, sticking a drill chuck on the business end of a lathe is nothing
    new to me.  I did it long before I learned how easy it is to do with
    modern machine tools like Snag suggested.
    ------------------------------
    As a lathe the Shopsmith had the choice of a spur center, faceplate or
    the drill chuck, fine for wood, not so much for metal so I had to
    improvise.



    In any case Snag will likely find an arbor press is more useful than he thinks.



    I've already thought of a couple of projects that it will be a better
    choice than the hydraulic press . Got a main-shaft race I need to press
    out of a '39 Harley transmission case . And probably a couple of things
    in the crank case halves , haven't got that far into the motor yet .
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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 15 17:44:12 2025
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> on Mon, 14 Apr 2025 15:56:24 -0700
    typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
    On 4/13/2025 12:55 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"á wrote in message news:vtgrmq$3ar53$1@dont-email.me...

    Anyway, sticking a drill chuck on the business end of a lathe is nothing
    new to me.á I did it long before I learned how easy it is to do with
    modern machine tools like Snag suggested.
    ------------------------------
    As a lathe the Shopsmith had the choice of a spur center, faceplate or
    the drill chuck, fine for wood, not so much for metal so I had to
    improvise.



    In any case Snag will likely find an arbor press is more useful than he >thinks.

    In any case, if you have one,you find more uses for one than if
    you do not have one.
    Arbor press, grinder, wood chipper, sticky notes, painters tape...
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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to pyotr filipivich on Wed Apr 16 12:16:54 2025
    On 4/15/2025 5:44 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> on Mon, 14 Apr 2025 15:56:24 -0700
    typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
    On 4/13/2025 12:55 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vtgrmq$3ar53$1@dont-email.me...

    Anyway, sticking a drill chuck on the business end of a lathe is nothing >>> new to me.  I did it long before I learned how easy it is to do with
    modern machine tools like Snag suggested.
    ------------------------------
    As a lathe the Shopsmith had the choice of a spur center, faceplate or
    the drill chuck, fine for wood, not so much for metal so I had to
    improvise.



    In any case Snag will likely find an arbor press is more useful than he
    thinks.

    In any case, if you have one,you find more uses for one than if
    you do not have one.
    Arbor press, grinder, wood chipper, sticky notes, painters tape...


    I walked out in the shop a little while ago, and picked up a hammer to
    put away. Suddenly everything looked like a nail.

    Seriously an arbor press is a very useful tool for "pressing." I found
    it faster and easier within its range than anything else. A vise will
    make do, and its going to be hard pressed to push out an automotive
    U-joint, but an arbor press is very useful. I bought mine originally
    for punching, and broaching, but it mostly gets used for pressing.

    Speaking of u-joints. I broke my first bench vise trying to press out a u-joint with a cheater bar on the vise handle. A task that was achieved
    with ease with a 12 ton hydraulic press. Also a task I wouldn't try,
    even with my 6 ton, with an arbor press. Maybe I should try. The last
    one I did was a huge pain. The biggest problem was supporting the drive
    shaft. The arbor press is already mounted on a heavy work bench.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Apr 17 11:24:02 2025
    On 4/16/2025 1:22 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vtovn5$2qhuj$1@dont-email.me...
    I walked out in the shop a little while ago, and picked up a hammer to
    put away.  Suddenly everything looked like a nail.

    Avoid chainsaws.

    Lately its the angle grinder.


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