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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:vqg3on$3pkap$1@dont-email.me...
On 3/7/2025 5:19 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
As I understand it, a cheap new car can't compete on price with aThat MAY be true, but it there is no chance in hell of an expensive new
nicer model used car.
car competing with a used car. My first new truck was a GMC Sonoma, and
my second was an Chevy S-10.
------------------------------------------> That depends. I bought and fixed up old cars until I could afford new,
then I bought the Helms factory shop manuals and kept them in good
condition as long as rust let me. Thanks to MIG I still drive the 1991
Ranger and 2000 CRV. Styling overcame substance on the newer CRVs so I'm waiting for the 2026 Passport which reverts to the old Land-Rover-
inspired practicality with squared space replacing swoop, a full sized
spare tire and built-in folding picnic table like my mine.
The table is a useful workbench for construction projects at the club's shooting ranges, it keeps us old guys from having to pick tools up off
the ground. I bought a spare as a "cargo space floor" from LKQ for $12.
My active workbench is plywood on the washing machine, which I have to
clear off once a week for laundry. Right now it's covered with old electrolytic caps and the power supplies to reform them.
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:vqg040$3phoo$1@dont-email.me...Twenty years ago I leased a Toyota Echo "econo box" that reminded me
If it wasn't for all the big brother MANDATES the USA could build cheap
cars too. Remote kill switch, black box recording, etc is not trivial.
That doesn't even count the safety standards.
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As I understand it, a cheap new car can't compete on price with a nicer
model used car.
On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 19:19:10 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
<muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:vqg040$3phoo$1@dont-email.me...Twenty years ago I leased a Toyota Echo "econo box" that reminded me
If it wasn't for all the big brother MANDATES the USA could build cheap
cars too. Remote kill switch, black box recording, etc is not trivial.
That doesn't even count the safety standards.
--------------------------
As I understand it, a cheap new car can't compete on price with a nicer
model used car.
of the Model "A" I got my license on in 1956. For the last three years
I 've needed a degree in Gismology to drive the 2021 Corolla. God
knows whats gonna happen Monday when I pick up the 2025 Corolla Cross.
We moved up because we needed a step ladder to get out of the current
car - told the dealer we wanted to go back to the Echo "Geezermobile".
We're both over 80!
Leave it to VW. If every new driver can afford an EV the rest of us
will die off in a generation or two, and gassers will be the
anachronism. Of course I'll wait and see they are talking maybe, in two years, only in Europe, if Europe approves, etc, etc, etc. With
inflation, devaluation of wages, and general uncertainty I'd bet real
money if it comes to market it will cost a lot more than they predict.
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:vqdtqf$3cnfa$1@dont-email.me...
This laptop is on grid power because several days of overcast have
depleted my batteries. What's left is for the freezer overnight. I can
let the LiFePO4s stay low but the AGMs may sulfate if not recharged soon.
Running on alternate energy makes me the power plant engineer, which certainly isn't for everyone. As a kid we had hand-fired coal heat so
I'm used to paying attention to the demands of non-automatic energy. I
bought an electrically heated house and installed a wood stove that I
could feed for free, the cost being my effort to harvest dead trees from across the street. Keeping up was difficult when I was working and
attending night school.
Luckily today has begun sunny. A clear day easily recharges the
batteries, hazy or partly cloudy makes that questionable and overcast
cuts the output to 10%.
https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/3802915-new- england-grapples-with-sky-high-electricity-rates-as-ukraine-war- squeezes-gas-supply/
This winter the rate is still over $0.20 per KWH.
The biggest
problem is with all the modern mandatory standards I think its nearly >impossible to produce ANY cheap car that isn't a toy.
On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 11:53:53 -0700
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
<snip>
The biggest
problem is with all the modern mandatory standards I think its nearly
impossible to produce ANY cheap car that isn't a toy.
This retrofit is WAY OVER THE TOP... but it's nice to see standard
controls, knobs, levers... instead of a TV touch screen to control
stuff. They stuck a panel in the dash but kept the standard
speedometer beside it🤷️
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/03/driving-an-ev-restomod-that-costs-as-much-as-a-house-the-jia-chieftain/
It would be interesting to see the parts list used for it but I doubt
it's available...
On 3/7/2025 11:53 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 3/7/2025 5:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:vqdtqf$3cnfa$1@dont-email.me...
This laptop is on grid power because several days of overcast have
depleted my batteries. What's left is for the freezer overnight. I
can let the LiFePO4s stay low but the AGMs may sulfate if not
recharged soon.
Running on alternate energy makes me the power plant engineer, which
certainly isn't for everyone. As a kid we had hand-fired coal heat so
I'm used to paying attention to the demands of non-automatic energy.
I bought an electrically heated house and installed a wood stove that
I could feed for free, the cost being my effort to harvest dead trees
from across the street. Keeping up was difficult when I was working
and attending night school.
Luckily today has begun sunny. A clear day easily recharges the
batteries, hazy or partly cloudy makes that questionable and overcast
cuts the output to 10%.
https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/3802915-new-
england-grapples-with-sky-high-electricity-rates-as-ukraine-war-
squeezes-gas-supply/
This winter the rate is still over $0.20 per KWH.
My whole thing is there is to be a CHEAP EV for there to be real
traction. I don't mean a golf cart or a scooter either. The biggest
problem is with all the modern mandatory standards I think its nearly
impossible to produce ANY cheap car that isn't a toy.
I don't think the VW ID.1 is cheap enough. There has to be a car the
somebody can afford when they get their first pay or second bump above
starting wage.
AS Jim alluded to. The problem is mostly economic. I don't think
"range anxiety" is the problem for a first car buyer. 155 mile range
(ID.1 basic battery) will get must of them to work or to school every
day.
Infrastructure might be an issue for some, but many can charge at home.
"A far larger proportion of Chinese EV buyers are first-time car buyers."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/it-s-ok-for-evs-to-be-worse-than- gas-cars/ar-AA1AtFMa? ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=25fd585acd6149fdb2755d06ab12b6a5&ei=26
On 3/7/2025 5:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:vqdtqf$3cnfa$1@dont-email.me...
This laptop is on grid power because several days of overcast have
depleted my batteries. What's left is for the freezer overnight. I
can let the LiFePO4s stay low but the AGMs may sulfate if not
recharged soon.
Running on alternate energy makes me the power plant engineer, which
certainly isn't for everyone. As a kid we had hand-fired coal heat so
I'm used to paying attention to the demands of non-automatic energy. I
bought an electrically heated house and installed a wood stove that I
could feed for free, the cost being my effort to harvest dead trees
from across the street. Keeping up was difficult when I was working
and attending night school.
Luckily today has begun sunny. A clear day easily recharges the
batteries, hazy or partly cloudy makes that questionable and overcast
cuts the output to 10%.
https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/3802915-new-
england-grapples-with-sky-high-electricity-rates-as-ukraine-war-
squeezes-gas-supply/
This winter the rate is still over $0.20 per KWH.
My whole thing is there is to be a CHEAP EV for there to be real
traction. I don't mean a golf cart or a scooter either. The biggest problem is with all the modern mandatory standards I think its nearly impossible to produce ANY cheap car that isn't a toy.
I don't think the VW ID.1 is cheap enough. There has to be a car the somebody can afford when they get their first pay or second bump above starting wage.
AS Jim alluded to. The problem is mostly economic. I don't think
"range anxiety" is the problem for a first car buyer. 155 mile range
(ID.1 basic battery) will get must of them to work or to school every day.
Infrastructure might be an issue for some, but many can charge at home.
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:vqffc0$3m5oo$1@dont-email.me...
I don't think the VW ID.1 is cheap enough. There has to be a car the somebody can afford when they get their first pay or second bump above starting wage.
...
Infrastructure might be an issue for some, but many can charge at home.
--------------------------------
There seems to be a contradiction here...
How long do you think Chinese loss-leader EVs will remain cheap once
they've crushed the competition, assuming they do better at supplying
repair parts than they have with everything else?
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:vqg040$3phoo$1@dont-email.me...
If it wasn't for all the big brother MANDATES the USA could build cheap
cars too. Remote kill switch, black box recording, etc is not trivial.
That doesn't even count the safety standards.
--------------------------
As I understand it, a cheap new car can't compete on price with a nicer
model used car.