• Mill parts

    From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 19 17:27:05 2024
    I'm in need of help finding a part for my bench top mill , RF45 clone
    . It's the same as the Grizzly G0484 and they show the part as
    discontinued . I'm looking for a replacement X axis lead screw nut . The Grizzly part number is P0484032 , maybe someone is making a replacement
    since there must be 10's of thousands of these machines around . The
    thread is Acme 15/16 (24 mm) diameter with an eight TPI thread . I've
    seen articles about people making replacements using plastic - maybe
    ABS? - and heat/pressure forming the threads but I'd lots rather find a
    direct drop-in replacement .
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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to Snag on Tue Nov 19 18:57:05 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:27:05 -0600, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    I'm in need of help finding a part for my bench top mill , RF45 clone
    . It's the same as the Grizzly G0484 and they show the part as
    discontinued . I'm looking for a replacement X axis lead screw nut . The >Grizzly part number is P0484032 , maybe someone is making a replacement
    since there must be 10's of thousands of these machines around . The
    thread is Acme 15/16 (24 mm) diameter with an eight TPI thread . I've
    seen articles about people making replacements using plastic - maybe
    ABS? - and heat/pressure forming the threads but I'd lots rather find a >direct drop-in replacement .

    ABS would not work as it doesn't make a very good bearing surface.

    Delrin works well for thermally forming a nut on an existing metal
    leadscrew. There are many you-tube videos.

    Joe

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Snag on Wed Nov 20 10:14:16 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:27:05 -0600
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    I'm in need of help finding a part for my bench top mill , RF45 clone
    . It's the same as the Grizzly G0484 and they show the part as
    discontinued . I'm looking for a replacement X axis lead screw nut . The >Grizzly part number is P0484032 , maybe someone is making a replacement >since there must be 10's of thousands of these machines around . The
    thread is Acme 15/16 (24 mm) diameter with an eight TPI thread . I've
    seen articles about people making replacements using plastic - maybe
    ABS? - and heat/pressure forming the threads but I'd lots rather find a >direct drop-in replacement .

    Maybe Jet has something. Their JT9 and JMD45 mills look similar:

    https://jettools.com/jmd-45gh-geared-head-square-column-mill-drill

    Manual link to pdf on that page has a parts section.

    This might be the part you're looking for but you won't like the price😬

    https://jettools.com/table-nut-jmd18-223a

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    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Snag on Wed Nov 20 11:45:27 2024
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:25:37 -0600
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    Yup , that's what it looks like . But I don't know what pitch the
    threads are ... They don't all use 8 TPI , some use 10 .

    Guessing by the part Description Size "TM23.7-10" it's likely to be
    10 TPI. Of course that 10 could be meant as Metric I suppose. No
    clue as to how Metric is specified in relation to our TPI meaning...

    Just an off the wall thought... could you use Babbit and a home brew
    mold to catch the pour for a shape you could use?

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Wed Nov 20 09:25:37 2024
    On 11/20/2024 8:14 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:27:05 -0600
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    I'm in need of help finding a part for my bench top mill , RF45 clone
    . It's the same as the Grizzly G0484 and they show the part as
    discontinued . I'm looking for a replacement X axis lead screw nut . The
    Grizzly part number is P0484032 , maybe someone is making a replacement
    since there must be 10's of thousands of these machines around . The
    thread is Acme 15/16 (24 mm) diameter with an eight TPI thread . I've
    seen articles about people making replacements using plastic - maybe
    ABS? - and heat/pressure forming the threads but I'd lots rather find a
    direct drop-in replacement .

    Maybe Jet has something. Their JT9 and JMD45 mills look similar:

    https://jettools.com/jmd-45gh-geared-head-square-column-mill-drill

    Manual link to pdf on that page has a parts section.

    This might be the part you're looking for but you won't like the price😬

    https://jettools.com/table-nut-jmd18-223a


    Yup , that's what it looks like . But I don't know what pitch the
    threads are ... They don't all use 8 TPI , some use 10 .
    I saw a comment about making a brass/bronze nut to thread into the
    original , I may end up going that way . I've got just over .020 lash ,
    which isn't a problem with most projects , but my current project of
    making tool holders for my QCTP is having problems .
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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Snag on Wed Nov 20 09:44:12 2024
    On 11/19/2024 4:27 PM, Snag wrote:
      I'm in need of help finding a part for my bench top mill , RF45
    clone . It's the same as the Grizzly G0484 and they show the part as discontinued . I'm looking for a replacement X axis lead screw nut . The Grizzly part number is P0484032 , maybe someone is making a replacement
    since there must be 10's of thousands of these machines around . The
    thread is Acme 15/16 (24 mm) diameter with an eight TPI thread . I've
    seen articles about people making replacements using plastic - maybe
    ABS? - and heat/pressure forming the threads but I'd lots rather find a direct drop-in replacement .


    Would have responded sooner, but I do not have a proper Usenet client
    installed on the house computer.

    My first response would also be to sleeve the existing nut. This
    addresses your request. I would suggest very tight sliding fit and use
    sleeve and bearing locker.

    The search for a new one is what it is. A search. I have no special
    insights other than as you clearly already know that these machines may
    be sold under different labels. I suggest may be ask Matt at Precision Mathews. Admittedly he may be more responsive on parts to a customer
    than somebody who just wants parts, but he is very good at supporting customers.

    Now for the tangents.

    Backlash should not be a huge issue if your gibbs are adjusted, you use
    your gibb locks, and you mostly conventional mill. Accuracy probably is
    not a huge issue, but if it is take all measured moves using the hand
    wheel dials in only one direction. If you really need to be able find a postion accurately in two directions there are two solutions. The nice
    one is a DRO with glass scales. The alternative is some dial indicators mounted to the table. I have a dial indicator mounted semi permanently
    on one of my lathes.

    As was already mentioned ABS is a terrible idea for all the reasons
    stated. Acetal (Delrin is a trade name) is used for bearings, axis
    nuts, and a variety of other things. Its pretty tough and there are
    commercial products made form the stuff. HOWEVER. Acetal does not
    accept any common adhesive well at all. It would not be a good option
    for boring and sleeving the old nut. Bronze or even brass would be
    better. I do not know if adhesives would stick to oilite bronze. Maybe another rabbit hole to research there.

    I looked. I do not have an acme tap that big. You will have to cut it
    on your lathe (or buy a very expensive tap) after grinding a suitable
    inside cutting tool. It will probably chatter pretty bad, so it might
    be time to consider making a solid tool post that bolts directly to the
    cross slide.




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    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Wed Nov 20 11:53:04 2024
    On 11/20/2024 9:45 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:25:37 -0600
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    Yup , that's what it looks like . But I don't know what pitch the
    threads are ... They don't all use 8 TPI , some use 10 .

    Guessing by the part Description Size "TM23.7-10" it's likely to be
    10 TPI. Of course that 10 could be meant as Metric I suppose. No
    clue as to how Metric is specified in relation to our TPI meaning...

    Just an off the wall thought... could you use Babbit and a home brew
    mold to catch the pour for a shape you could use?


    I could cast it with bronze/brass ... I'd have to make a pattern and
    a core ... I have the material and the flasks and green sand . Actually
    it would be easier to make a lost foam pattern to cast it .
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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to muratlanne@gmail.com on Wed Nov 20 12:46:08 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 22:38:16 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
    <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Joe Gwinn" wrote in message >news:7a9qjjds38pts5ul6mi564k9i7pm3gr0fr@4ax.com...

    Delrin works well for thermally forming a nut on an existing metal
    leadscrew. There are many you-tube videos.

    Joe
    -------------------------------
    Generic acetal cold-formed to sharp points when I knurled it.

    Yes. So do it warm.

    By thermal forming I mean melting.

    Here is a related posting, but one would not want to take the real
    leadscrew and make it into a big self-tapping screw. I haven't found
    the videos on doing this on the actual leadscrew without damaging or
    risking it.

    .<https://www.instructables.com/DIY-Anti-Backlash-Nuts-Super-Cheap-and-Simple/>

    And as others have said, no glue will stick to delrin, so the
    attachment must be mechanical.

    Joe

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Wed Nov 20 12:19:19 2024
    On 11/20/2024 10:44 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 11/19/2024 4:27 PM, Snag wrote:
       I'm in need of help finding a part for my bench top mill , RF45
    clone . It's the same as the Grizzly G0484 and they show the part as
    discontinued . I'm looking for a replacement X axis lead screw nut .
    The Grizzly part number is P0484032 , maybe someone is making a
    replacement since there must be 10's of thousands of these machines
    around . The thread is Acme 15/16 (24 mm) diameter with an eight TPI
    thread . I've seen articles about people making replacements using
    plastic - maybe ABS? - and heat/pressure forming the threads but I'd
    lots rather find a direct drop-in replacement .


    Would have responded sooner, but I do not have a proper Usenet client installed on the house computer.

    My first response would also be to sleeve the existing nut.  This
    addresses your request.  I would suggest very tight sliding fit and use sleeve and bearing locker.

    The search for a new one is what it is.  A search.  I have no special insights other than as you clearly already know that these machines may
    be sold under different labels.  I suggest may be ask Matt at Precision Mathews.  Admittedly he may be more responsive on parts to a customer
    than somebody who just wants parts, but he is very good at supporting customers.

    Now for the tangents.

    Backlash should not be a huge issue if your gibbs are adjusted, you use
    your gibb locks, and you mostly conventional mill.  Accuracy probably is
    not a huge issue, but if it is take all measured moves using the hand
    wheel dials in only one direction.  If you really need to be able find a postion accurately in two directions there are two solutions.  The nice
    one is a DRO with glass scales.  The alternative is some dial indicators mounted to the table.  I have a dial indicator mounted semi permanently
    on one of my lathes.

    I just a few months ago ditched the Shumatech DRO and capacitive
    scales for a nice glass scale DRO that reads to tenths ... and I have a
    dial indicator on a mount that clamps to the front v way on the lathe in addition to one on a magnetic mount . Also have a couple of Starrett
    back plunger indicators with hardware and one NIB indicator for a backup
    in case I break one .



    As was already mentioned ABS is a terrible idea for all the reasons
    stated.  Acetal (Delrin is a trade name) is used for bearings, axis
    nuts, and a variety of other things.  Its pretty tough and there are commercial products made form the stuff.  HOWEVER.  Acetal does not
    accept any common adhesive well at all.  It would not be a good option
    for boring and sleeving the old nut.  Bronze or even brass would be better.  I do not know if adhesives would stick to oilite bronze.  Maybe another rabbit hole to research there.


    If I sleeve the original it'll be with bearing bronze or some Ampco
    45 aluminum bronze . I have both on hand ...



    I looked.  I do not have an acme tap that big.  You will have to cut it
    on your lathe (or buy a very expensive tap) after grinding a suitable
    inside cutting tool.  It will probably chatter pretty bad, so it might
    be time to consider making a solid tool post that bolts directly to the
    cross slide.


    I already made a post type boring bar holder that bolts directly to
    the compound . I can use the lathe leadscrew as a pattern to grind the
    tool since it too is 8 TPI . Actually I have another leadscrew that's in
    very good condition that I would use .


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