• Re: FINISHED IT UP WITH A GRINDER - Using A Lathe To Install a Goose Ne

    From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Oct 16 20:56:18 2024
    On 10/16/2024 8:44 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vepf95$2e45q$1@dont-email.me...

    Finished it up with a grinder.  Many years ago, when this group was
    thick with masters of all, I was a bit taken aback by all the folks who
    would say, "I just freehand sharpen drills with a grinder."  Well, now I just sharpen drills with a grinder.  Today I had to drill four holes in
    the bed of the new truck for spring loaded chain loops.  The only 11/16 drill bit I found looked like it had a poor shallow grind for wallowing
    its way through steel truck frames... In fact I think that's what it was
    last use for, and I'm sure I was the one who put that grind on it.  I
    walked it over to the grinder and put a sharp aggressive three facet
    grind (6 if you want to be technical) on it for aluminum and punched the holes I needed right through the stiffener and bed of the truck.  (There were already holes in the steel under bed goose neck ball hitch plate.

    After that it was just the usual fat guy trying to work under a truck to
    get the springs and nuts on the under side of the chain loops.

    All finished up.  Next project electric running boards so my wife can
    get in and out of the truck safely without my having to run around the
    truck with a step stool.  Yeah, I keep a step stool in the bed right now.

    I keep telling myself I'll get some nice CBN wheels for one of the
    grinders so I can sharpen lathe bits, drills, and even split points all
    on one machine and I still haven't completely worn out a set of the
    cheap grey stones they come with.  I probably should dress them more
    often though.

    Anyway now, "I just free hand sharpen drills on the grinder."  Its not
    even very hard once you've done a few.  3/16 and up is pretty easy.  I
    have sharpened smaller by swinging a magnifying lamp over the grinder,
    but the smaller drills are so cheap I just buy them in batches.
    Bob La Londe

    -------------------------------

    You'll know you are Really good when they drill to size. I can make a
    dull or broken bit cut well but usually pass it through a Drill Doctor afterwards.


    I'm happy if both flutes actually cut on a freehand grind . My DD
    only has a collet for up to 1/2" so ...
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Oct 16 23:17:17 2024
    On 10/16/2024 10:37 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:vepqs0$2jh1r$1@dont-email.me...
      I'm happy if both flutes actually cut on a freehand grind . My DD
    only has a collet for up to 1/2" so ...
    Snag
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    I bought a separate DD 3/4" chuck which works in my 1/2" DD.

    I considered it but I only have like 4 bits over 1/2" that I use and
    those not all that often .
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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Oct 17 12:38:14 2024
    On 10/17/2024 4:53 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:veq34c$2khi8$1@dont-email.me...

    On 10/16/2024 10:37 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:vepqs0$2jh1r$1@dont-email.me...
       I'm happy if both flutes actually cut on a freehand grind . My DD
    only has a collet for up to 1/2" so ...
    Snag
    -----------------------------------
    I bought a separate DD 3/4" chuck which works in my 1/2" DD.

    I considered it but I only have like 4 bits over 1/2" that I use and
    those not all that often .
    Snag

    ------------------------------------

    My larger bits are mostly S&D with 1/2" shanks, so I made a 5C collet tightening cap with a 1/2" alignment bushing to surface grind them in
    the end mill fixture. I haven't yet dulled a bit larger than the 3/4"
    the DD will accept to test it. Perhaps making it was good insurance I wouldn't need to use it.

    The cap and its spanner wrench were small enough for the goodie bag I
    took to job interviews to show I have mechanical as well as electronic skills, which helped get me into Segway. Being able to design and
    machine what I wanted saved me from having to beg a mechanical
    engineer's assistance and accept their idea of what the mainly
    electronic problem required, they would make the often correct
    assumption that an electronic tech knew nothing of mechanical design.
    Mitre and Segway let me charge for time in my home shop.


    I've got a couple inexpensive S&D sets. One of the most useful was a
    stubby set I bought from Enco before they were assimilated by the BORG.
    The cheap sets are fine. Especially since I can fairly easily resharpen
    them myself. I've also gone out of my way to find a few common sizes
    with Morse Taper shanks for faster tool changes on the Precision Mathews
    lathe. I've got a few common stock parts I make routinely in small
    batches and quick tool changes makes a big difference. Between collet
    chucks, jacobs style chucks, and MT shank drills I have all the tools
    ready to go for three different common batch jobs. Which reminds me. I
    should make another batch of "bolt action" pens that use the Space Pen
    (tm) cartridges again.

    You know the original bolt action pen project was what convinced me I
    could do a decent job of sharpening drills. I had a metric drill out of
    a set from Precision Twist Drill that lasted for about 1-1/2 pens and I
    was up against my time table to get the pens done before the Christmas
    holiday. I was pretty peeved that a more expensive brand died so
    quickly, but I put it off to being stainless. I figured it was ruined
    anyway, so I'd try to free hand it. My simple three facet grind cut
    better than the factory grind and lasted for the next dozen (give or
    take) pens and went back in the case still sharp enough to do a few more.

    Circular thinking...

    You know what I really should do is get to work on the turret lathe so I
    can crank out those types of parts even faster.


    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Gerry@21:1/5 to Snag on Thu Oct 17 23:41:19 2024
    On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 23:17:17 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/16/2024 10:37 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"á wrote in message news:vepqs0$2jh1r$1@dont-email.me...
    á I'm happy if both flutes actually cut on a freehand grind . My DD
    only has a collet for up to 1/2" so ...
    Snag
    -----------------------------------
    I bought a separate DD 3/4" chuck which works in my 1/2" DD.

    I considered it but I only have like 4 bits over 1/2" that I use and
    those not all that often .
    One saturday morning I found a half dozen bits over 1/2" for $2 each,
    I tried to bargain with her but she said "No, they belong to my
    boyfriend and he is very firm" her female friend made a puddle
    laughing. Needless to say I gladly paid the full asking price!

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  • From Gerry@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 17 23:32:11 2024
    On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 15:38:29 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
    wrote:

    On 10/15/2024 5:44 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"á wrote in message news:vek97o$1c4gf$1@dont-email.me...

    After drilling a giant hole int he bed of my new truck I decided I
    wanted to hit the freshly raw aluminum surface with some metal etching
    primer, and some black paint to match the black sprayed in bed liner and
    protect the metal.

    All my paint has been on the shelf a long time.á I wasn't able to break
    the bearing inside the can loose on the lathe, but after I got it moving
    I was able to chuck the spray can up cross wise in the six jaw chuck by
    removing two opposed jaws.

    I think taping the can to a long blade in the Super Sawzall is faster,
    but I can walk away with the lathe on 70 RPM and work on something else
    for 20 minutes when I chuck it in the lathe.

    Bob La Londe
    ----------------------------

    As a kid I made a rock tumbler consisting of a small windmill with a
    wood pulley and string speed reduction to the paint can holder. It did a
    fairly good job of scaring birds from Dad's garden as well. The blades
    were crossed sticks with thin plastic or aluminum flashing rectangles
    nailed on along one edge, so they self-feathered in strong winds.á It
    lasted about 3 months between repairs.


    Finished it up with a grinder. Many years ago, when this group was
    thick with masters of all, I was a bit taken aback by all the folks who
    would say, "I just freehand sharpen drills with a grinder." Well, now I
    just sharpen drills with a grinder. Today I had to drill four holes in
    the bed of the new truck for spring loaded chain loops. The only 11/16
    drill bit I found looked like it had a poor shallow grind for wallowing
    its way through steel truck frames... In fact I think that's what it was
    last use for, and I'm sure I was the one who put that grind on it. I
    walked it over to the grinder and put a sharp aggressive three facet
    grind (6 if you want to be technical) on it for aluminum and punched the >holes I needed right through the stiffener and bed of the truck. (There
    were already holes in the steel under bed goose neck ball hitch plate.

    After that it was just the usual fat guy trying to work under a truck to
    get the springs and nuts on the under side of the chain loops.

    All finished up. Next project electric running boards so my wife can
    get in and out of the truck safely without my having to run around the
    truck with a step stool. Yeah, I keep a step stool in the bed right now.

    I keep telling myself I'll get some nice CBN wheels for one of the
    grinders so I can sharpen lathe bits, drills, and even split points all
    on one machine and I still haven't completely worn out a set of the
    cheap grey stones they come with. I probably should dress them more
    often though.

    Anyway now, "I just free hand sharpen drills on the grinder." Its not
    even very hard once you've done a few. 3/16 and up is pretty easy. I
    have sharpened smaller by swinging a magnifying lamp over the grinder,
    but the smaller drills are so cheap I just buy them in batches.


    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
    For fifty years I sharpened drills freehand on a variety of grinders
    including the old hand cranked, geared, clamped to the bench one my
    granfather brought with him, and the home built stone on a 1/4 HP
    motor. Now I still hand sharpen but finish most of them on the Drill
    Doctor.
    I totally broke Junior's FiL when he sent in a basket of bits for me
    to sharpen - among them was a 1/2" concrete bit with the insert
    missing. I sent it back nicely sharpened with a hole drilled through
    the web and a tag wired to it saying "Drill shaped object - Use only
    to make holes in room temperature butter"!

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Oct 18 12:13:47 2024
    On 10/18/2024 4:55 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Gerry"  wrote in message
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    I totally broke Junior's FiL when he sent in a basket of bits for me
    to sharpen - among them was a 1/2" concrete bit with the insert
    missing. I sent it back nicely sharpened with a hole drilled through
    the web and a tag wired to it saying "Drill shaped object - Use only
    to make holes in room temperature butter"!

    ---------------------------

    The most recent drill-shaped object I made was a small hole saw from
    3/16" gas welding rod, to free the broken tip of a #1 center drill so I
    could finish the #8-32 tap hole through the otherwise tediously
    completed aluminum part. The filed teeth needed several resharpenings to
    keep the chips flowing but it did the job.

    The holes are for setscrews and pins that can push out pressed-in
    bearings. The parts are bandsaw blade guide rollers similar to this, but minus the sawdust grooves because a scraper of aluminum flashing cleans
    the blade ahead of them, and the blade back support is a separate
    bearing on edge instead of the flange.

    https://cookssaw.com/parts/roller-guides/

    The prototype aluminum rollers wore enough that I made a steel pair. The blade runs at 50-60MPH which is hard on the guides and their bearings,
    not far from the PV limit of a good bearing and beyond it for some cheap
    ones from Amazon, or the smaller skate bearings I used before. The ball
    cages break, pop the seals off and sawdust jams them or the balls fly
    out. The saw keeps cutting but not as straight.

    A safety pin (on my key chain) can remove the rubber seals or metal
    shields from ball bearings to clean and grease them. Shields are
    retained by a spring clip at the outer edge that the pin tip can catch
    the inward beveled end of and pop it out of the groove. Both reinstall without tools after some practice.

    When I changed phone carriers the clerk couldn't find his tool to
    unlatch the SIM card and asked me if I had one (yeah, right). To his
    surprise I handed him the safety pin which worked fine.
    jsw


    I tried to make a tiny hole saw to cut out rusted and broken steel
    screws galvanicaly bonded into aluminum sheet last year... maybe the
    year before. It was a work of art, until all the teeth sheared off
    instantly on the first screw. Then I did what I should have done in the
    first place and picked up the plasma cutter.


    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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