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I'm sure you are all tired of the saga of the built to "a" spec Ingersol
Rand compressor from Craptor Supply. The one that killed its own motor
in a year. The one others have reported catching on fire. The one I've concluded only worked as long as it did because the thermal protector
had to be defective or disabled in the original motor. (Which is
probably why some caught on fire.) The one that tripped the thermal constantly on one replacement motor, and the breaker and/or thermal on
the other. The one I've been keeping running with an under sized motor pulley. Never mind the debacle with the after market warranty company,
or the repair shop who reported the repair complete without ever
visiting my shop. Even with a much smaller pulley it still trips the thermal protector from time to time. Mostly because I think it has to
run longer when it cycles on with the smaller pulley, and when I have
several machines running, all of which use air for various things, it
has to cycle on more often.
Mostly I can get by for now. In the last few months I've only had the thermal trip on me 4-5 times and I run the shop every day. Still
sometimes I run complex operations which can be several hundred lines of
code on a single tool. This gives me the opportunity to run an errand
or go in the house for lunch. It would cost me more than the cost of a compressor if an ISO20 quick change spindle air seal fails and sucks
coolant up inside the head as it cools down. Okay the odds of that are slim, but it keeps me up at night anyway.
I had decided to bring my dad's compressor to my shop and keep the IR as
just a backup. They are functionally similar except the IR has a 5HP
motor and the one at my dad's shop has a 7.5. Well, that is still the plan, but those compressors are heavy and I don't have anything out at
my dad's shop (60 miles away) to practically lift his compressor to load
it into my truck or even onto my low trailer. Oh, I am sure there is a chain fall out there, and there is an old a-frame laying out back, but
his shop is a quonset hut. No beams. The a-frame will eventually get
moved to my shop, but its freaking heavy. I don't even think I can
stand it up without the help of a lift. I know I used it in my youth to pull more than a couple V-8 engines. Scooting it on concrete when its
on its pads takes a little effort unloaded, and with a big block 360
hanging from it a bit more effort. Standing it up in the dirt and
dragging it around... Anyway. It will get done eventually, but not
today or tomorrow. When I do I'll probably trailer my tractor out there
to do the job with its loader bucket.
I just ordered a 7.5 HP compressor duty motor for the IR. IR actually
sells a very similar compressor with a 7.5 HP motor on it at about 3.5
times the price of this one. Then, since I already know all the parts,
I ordered a new hub for the original pulley to fit the 1-1/8 shaft on
the new motor.
I quit screwing around with those 5HP motors. Now I have not one, but
two unused single phase 230V "5HP" spare motors. Maybe I'll make a
couple big belt grinders for erasing the bumpy spots on mountains. If I make a belt grinder or three, which is part of my planned projects, I
plan to use 3 phase motors for speed control, so not really with those
5s. I guess I could build a sheave stack, but turning a knob is so much easier than moving a belt. FYI: I do have three belt grinders already.
a 1x30 and a 1x42 that I use almost everyday for conditioning and de-burring parts. The third one is on a shelf...
I'm sure you are all tired of the saga of the built to "a" spec Ingersol
Rand compressor from Craptor Supply. The one that killed its own motor
in a year. The one others have reported catching on fire. The one I've concluded only worked as long as it did because the thermal protector
had to be defective or disabled in the original motor. (Which is
probably why some caught on fire.) The one that tripped the thermal constantly on one replacement motor, and the breaker and/or thermal on
the other. The one I've been keeping running with an under sized motor pulley. Never mind the debacle with the after market warranty company,
or the repair shop who reported the repair complete without ever
visiting my shop. Even with a much smaller pulley it still trips the thermal protector from time to time. Mostly because I think it has to
run longer when it cycles on with the smaller pulley, and when I have
several machines running, all of which use air for various things, it
has to cycle on more often.
Mostly I can get by for now. In the last few months I've only had the thermal trip on me 4-5 times and I run the shop every day. Still
sometimes I run complex operations which can be several hundred lines of
code on a single tool. This gives me the opportunity to run an errand
or go in the house for lunch. It would cost me more than the cost of a compressor if an ISO20 quick change spindle air seal fails and sucks
coolant up inside the head as it cools down. Okay the odds of that are slim, but it keeps me up at night anyway.
I had decided to bring my dad's compressor to my shop and keep the IR as
just a backup. They are functionally similar except the IR has a 5HP
motor and the one at my dad's shop has a 7.5. Well, that is still the plan, but those compressors are heavy and I don't have anything out at
my dad's shop (60 miles away) to practically lift his compressor to load
it into my truck or even onto my low trailer. Oh, I am sure there is a chain fall out there, and there is an old a-frame laying out back, but
his shop is a quonset hut. No beams. The a-frame will eventually get
moved to my shop, but its freaking heavy. I don't even think I can
stand it up without the help of a lift. I know I used it in my youth to pull more than a couple V-8 engines. Scooting it on concrete when its
on its pads takes a little effort unloaded, and with a big block 360
hanging from it a bit more effort. Standing it up in the dirt and
dragging it around... Anyway. It will get done eventually, but not
today or tomorrow. When I do I'll probably trailer my tractor out there
to do the job with its loader bucket.
I just ordered a 7.5 HP compressor duty motor for the IR. IR actually
sells a very similar compressor with a 7.5 HP motor on it at about 3.5
times the price of this one. Then, since I already know all the parts,
I ordered a new hub for the original pulley to fit the 1-1/8 shaft on
the new motor.
I quit screwing around with those 5HP motors. Now I have not one, but
two unused single phase 230V "5HP" spare motors. Maybe I'll make a
couple big belt grinders for erasing the bumpy spots on mountains. If I make a belt grinder or three, which is part of my planned projects, I
plan to use 3 phase motors for speed control, so not really with those
5s. I guess I could build a sheave stack, but turning a knob is so much easier than moving a belt. FYI: I do have three belt grinders already.
a 1x30 and a 1x42 that I use almost everyday for conditioning and de-burring parts. The third one is on a shelf...
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:v6n6c2$2469n$1@dont-email.me...
I got the new 7.5HP motor installed on the IR compressor today. The
pulley hub for the larger motor shaft and the motor both arrived
yesterday. Wow! Yeah I think it should have always had a 7.5HP motor
on it. After installation I vented the tank until the motor kicked on,
and it filled fast. Faster than the original motor with the same
pulley. The compressor must have been dragging down the 5HP motors a
little bit all along. I'm still bring the compressor from my dad's shop
and setting the two of them up together so I can quickly swap
compressors, but this is so much better I no longer feel the urge to
hurry.
Bob La Londe
----------------------------------
Congrats, another problem successfully solved.
My 80 gallon compressor is in a corner of my crowded shop and needs to
be muscled out to work on it. A wider wooden base that lets it slide
rather than tip helps a lot. I don't have a pallet jack or room to use
one, but if I did a small pallet might be a good base for it.
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:v6pdgc$2k09f$1@dont-email.me...
The sad part is if they had used a 7.5HP motor to begin with and priced
it accordingly it would have been an actual good deal, instead of a fake
good deal.
Bob La Londe
--------------------------------
Be happy you weren't cursed to spend your career in Marketing.
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:v6pgcc$2kg7u$1@dont-email.me...
I need some Dot 3 brake fluid.
Year, make and model please.
--------------------
"1927 Isotta-Fraschini Tipo 8A"
(suffer, sucker)
On 7/5/2024 5:23 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:With a pilotted contactor connect the NC contacts of the pilot on
"Snag"á wrote in message news:v69p2c$3erk6$1@dont-email.me...
á Can you set up a relay lockout that whichever compressor is running
will cut power to the other ? An "or" gate type setup .
If you search for relay control logic circuits, that is called
"Exclusive-OR", XOR.
My understanding of logic circuits is rudimentary at best . Kinda
reminds me of algebra . It made my head hurt too .
On 7/5/2024 3:28 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:Just a pilotted (monitored) relay with the pilot on one in series
On 7/5/2024 4:35 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe"á wrote in message news:v67bh1$2v2ot$1@dont-email.me...
I considered that, but I want both compressors 100% or what's the point
of having a backup.
I can haul heavy stuff.á Its just time consuming, plus the 2 hours (+/-) >>> of road time.á Also, its going to take time to move one compressor in
and the other out.á I am considering an "outdoor" compressor closet, and >>> plumb in both compressors together.á Just have valves to shut one off
from the distribution lines and only turn on one or the other.
That might actually be faster than a swap, and down time would be much
less too.
Might see about some sort of transfer switch so I can't accidentally
turn them both on at once.
It would be nice to get the compressor noise out of the back shop.
Bob La Londe
-------------------------------------
Check valves in the lines and a double throw power switch (3 ph
fwd/rev) would give you those features automatically, and you could
omit the valves.
Can someone explain gladhands to me? I'm wondering if they would be
better than the garden hose couplers I use to flexibly connect and
reconfigure my 120 PSI max air system, in which the air may flow in
either direction. A Net search suggests they can be dangerous to
handle because they don't close automatically when disconnected.
Though not a perfect fit or pressure seal, a 3/4" PVC pipe plug will
keep dirt and bugs out of a disconnected female hose end.
If I could get all the tiny little losses eliminated I'd be tempted to
use both tanks for air storage, and just periodically switch which
compressor fills them. Then even if a compressor failed it would carry
the air seals for hours.
I also considered some sort of auto backup.á The easy way would be to
set the backup compressor to switch on at a lower pressure, but there
are a number of small issues that could cause both compressors to run at
the same time.á That's power I do not always have.á I never intended to
have a working machine shop.á This was just supposed to be a warehouse
for my contracting business.á I only have a 100 amp sub panel feeding
everything.á I know.á I know.á Upgrade the sub panel.á The house only
has a 200 amp main, and my wife wants to run electric demand heaters.
I'll have to upgrade the house main first.
Can you set up a relay lockout that whichever compressor is running
will cut power to the other ? An "or" gate type setup .
On 7/4/2024 2:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
I'm sure you are all tired of the saga of the built to "a" spec Ingersol
Rand compressor from Craptor Supply.á The one that killed its own motor
in a year.á The one others have reported catching on fire.á The one I've
concluded only worked as long as it did because the thermal protector
had to be defective or disabled in the original motor.á (Which is
probably why some caught on fire.)á The one that tripped the thermal
constantly on one replacement motor, and the breaker and/or thermal on
the other.á The one I've been keeping running with an under sized motor
pulley.á Never mind the debacle with the after market warranty company,
or the repair shop who reported the repair complete without ever
visiting my shop.á Even with a much smaller pulley it still trips the
thermal protector from time to time.á Mostly because I think it has to
run longer when it cycles on with the smaller pulley, and when I have
several machines running, all of which use air for various things, it
has to cycle on more often.
Mostly I can get by for now.á In the last few months I've only had the
thermal trip on me 4-5 times and I run the shop every day.á Still
sometimes I run complex operations which can be several hundred lines of
code on a single tool.á This gives me the opportunity to run an errand
or go in the house for lunch.á It would cost me more than the cost of a
compressor if an ISO20 quick change spindle air seal fails and sucks
coolant up inside the head as it cools down.á Okay the odds of that are
slim, but it keeps me up at night anyway.
I had decided to bring my dad's compressor to my shop and keep the IR as
just a backup.á They are functionally similar except the IR has a 5HP
motor and the one at my dad's shop has a 7.5.ááá Well, that is still the
plan, but those compressors are heavy and I don't have anything out at
my dad's shop (60 miles away) to practically lift his compressor to load
it into my truck or even onto my low trailer.á Oh, I am sure there is a
chain fall out there, and there is an old a-frame laying out back, but
his shop is a quonset hut.á No beams. The a-frame will eventually get
moved to my shop, but its freaking heavy.á I don't even think I can
stand it up without the help of a lift.á I know I used it in my youth to
pull more than a couple V-8 engines.á Scooting it on concrete when its
on its pads takes a little effort unloaded, and with a big block 360
hanging from it a bit more effort.á Standing it up in the dirt and
dragging it around... Anyway.á It will get done eventually, but not
today or tomorrow.á When I do I'll probably trailer my tractor out there
to do the job with its loader bucket.
I just ordered a 7.5 HP compressor duty motor for the IR.á IR actually
sells a very similar compressor with a 7.5 HP motor on it at about 3.5
times the price of this one.á Then, since I already know all the parts,
I ordered a new hub for the original pulley to fit the 1-1/8 shaft on
the new motor.
I quit screwing around with those 5HP motors.á Now I have not one, but
two unused single phase 230V "5HP" spare motors.á Maybe I'll make a
couple big belt grinders for erasing the bumpy spots on mountains.á If I
make a belt grinder or three, which is part of my planned projects, I
plan to use 3 phase motors for speed control, so not really with those
5s.á I guess I could build a sheave stack, but turning a knob is so much
easier than moving a belt.á FYI:á I do have three belt grinders already.
áa 1x30 and a 1x42 that I use almost everyday for conditioning and
de-burring parts.á The third one is on a shelf...
More power ! Hurrr hurr hurrr . That bigger motor is going to run
cooler and probably use less power than the 5 . I've got a 7.5 Hp OHV
motor here to replace the 5 Hp side valve on my tiller when it finishes
dying . I thought it had seized but it started right up the next day .
On 7/11/2024 1:27 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe"á wrote in message news:v6pdgc$2k09f$1@dont-email.me...
The sad part is if they had used a 7.5HP motor to begin with and priced
it accordingly it would have been an actual good deal, instead of a fake
good deal.
Bob La Londe
--------------------------------
Be happy you weren't cursed to spend your career in Marketing.
I actually took a class in marketing in college. I concluded marketing
was just a bunch of made up buzzwords and cockamamie "theories" to sell >advertising. Yeah, I also took a class on advertising. It had some
real buzz words and theories to sell advertising. Very little was about
the effectiveness of advertising.
When business is good you need to advertise.
When business is bad you need to advertise.
When you discover advertising and marketing firms just want your money
and if they bleed you to bankruptcy they just laugh you need to advertise.
When you discover that the advertising firms wrote the text books you
should take out a huge debilitating loan to attend more classes.
You should tell customers who need low turn rate or low margin items to
fuck off and buy it somewhere else. Oh, wait. That was basic survey of >business where they introduced that concept. Its no wonder brick and
mortar stores selling substantial products have been dropping like flies
for the last 30-40 years. In the same classes they will tell you small >businesses can compete by providing better service... Wait? What?
I need some Dot 3 brake fluid.
Year, make and model please.
You should buy local.
Okay I need this today.
We can get that for you.
Sorry about the rant, but "We can get it for you," is the death knell of >retail. Okay... I'm done now.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 16:27:06 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 7/4/2024 2:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
I'm sure you are all tired of the saga of the built to "a" spec Ingersol >>> Rand compressor from Craptor Supply. The one that killed its own motor >>> in a year. The one others have reported catching on fire. The one I've >>> concluded only worked as long as it did because the thermal protector
had to be defective or disabled in the original motor. (Which is
probably why some caught on fire.) The one that tripped the thermal
constantly on one replacement motor, and the breaker and/or thermal on
the other. The one I've been keeping running with an under sized motor >>> pulley. Never mind the debacle with the after market warranty company, >>> or the repair shop who reported the repair complete without ever
visiting my shop. Even with a much smaller pulley it still trips the
thermal protector from time to time. Mostly because I think it has to
run longer when it cycles on with the smaller pulley, and when I have
several machines running, all of which use air for various things, it
has to cycle on more often.
Mostly I can get by for now. In the last few months I've only had the
thermal trip on me 4-5 times and I run the shop every day. Still
sometimes I run complex operations which can be several hundred lines of >>> code on a single tool. This gives me the opportunity to run an errand
or go in the house for lunch. It would cost me more than the cost of a >>> compressor if an ISO20 quick change spindle air seal fails and sucks
coolant up inside the head as it cools down. Okay the odds of that are >>> slim, but it keeps me up at night anyway.
I had decided to bring my dad's compressor to my shop and keep the IR as >>> just a backup. They are functionally similar except the IR has a 5HP
motor and the one at my dad's shop has a 7.5. Well, that is still the >>> plan, but those compressors are heavy and I don't have anything out at
my dad's shop (60 miles away) to practically lift his compressor to load >>> it into my truck or even onto my low trailer. Oh, I am sure there is a >>> chain fall out there, and there is an old a-frame laying out back, but
his shop is a quonset hut. No beams. The a-frame will eventually get
moved to my shop, but its freaking heavy. I don't even think I can
stand it up without the help of a lift. I know I used it in my youth to >>> pull more than a couple V-8 engines. Scooting it on concrete when its
on its pads takes a little effort unloaded, and with a big block 360
hanging from it a bit more effort. Standing it up in the dirt and
dragging it around... Anyway. It will get done eventually, but not
today or tomorrow. When I do I'll probably trailer my tractor out there >>> to do the job with its loader bucket.
I just ordered a 7.5 HP compressor duty motor for the IR. IR actually
sells a very similar compressor with a 7.5 HP motor on it at about 3.5
times the price of this one. Then, since I already know all the parts, >>> I ordered a new hub for the original pulley to fit the 1-1/8 shaft on
the new motor.
I quit screwing around with those 5HP motors. Now I have not one, but
two unused single phase 230V "5HP" spare motors. Maybe I'll make a
couple big belt grinders for erasing the bumpy spots on mountains. If I >>> make a belt grinder or three, which is part of my planned projects, I
plan to use 3 phase motors for speed control, so not really with those
5s. I guess I could build a sheave stack, but turning a knob is so much >>> easier than moving a belt. FYI: I do have three belt grinders already. >>> a 1x30 and a 1x42 that I use almost everyday for conditioning and
de-burring parts. The third one is on a shelf...
More power ! Hurrr hurr hurrr . That bigger motor is going to run
cooler and probably use less power than the 5 . I've got a 7.5 Hp OHV
motor here to replace the 5 Hp side valve on my tiller when it finishes
dying . I thought it had seized but it started right up the next day .
Bet if you check the current draw on that "5 HP compressor motor" it
is in reality a 3 or 3.5 HP motor.
I've got a 9HP "Chonda" engine sitting in the shed with no plans at
the moment but it's up here in Ontario. (also a 9HP verical shaft side
valve electric start Briggs if anybody up here needs one)
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 13:47:08 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 7/11/2024 1:27 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:v6pdgc$2k09f$1@dont-email.me...
The sad part is if they had used a 7.5HP motor to begin with and priced
it accordingly it would have been an actual good deal, instead of a fake >>> good deal.
Bob La Londe
--------------------------------
Be happy you weren't cursed to spend your career in Marketing.
I actually took a class in marketing in college. I concluded marketing
was just a bunch of made up buzzwords and cockamamie "theories" to sell
advertising. Yeah, I also took a class on advertising. It had some
real buzz words and theories to sell advertising. Very little was about
the effectiveness of advertising.
When business is good you need to advertise.
When business is bad you need to advertise.
When you discover advertising and marketing firms just want your money
and if they bleed you to bankruptcy they just laugh you need to advertise. >>
When you discover that the advertising firms wrote the text books you
should take out a huge debilitating loan to attend more classes.
You should tell customers who need low turn rate or low margin items to
fuck off and buy it somewhere else. Oh, wait. That was basic survey of
business where they introduced that concept. Its no wonder brick and
mortar stores selling substantial products have been dropping like flies
for the last 30-40 years. In the same classes they will tell you small
businesses can compete by providing better service... Wait? What?
I need some Dot 3 brake fluid.
Year, make and model please.
You should buy local.
Okay I need this today.
We can get that for you.
Sorry about the rant, but "We can get it for you," is the death knell of
retail. Okay... I'm done now.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
I went to the office supply store to buy something common - can't
remember what - and they said they don't carry it in the store anymore because they don't sell enough to make it worth while. I said "I guess
not if it's not on the shelf" and told them if I had to order it I'd
iorder it on Amazon and have it next day for 25% less than they wanted
to get it for me nexct week - - -
\
Hardware stores are getting even worse for "real hardware"