• Re: Successful Transplant !

    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Snag on Thu Oct 24 13:45:40 2024
    On 10/21/2024 3:29 PM, Snag wrote:
      I picked up the truck axle today ... Got it bolted into place before
    my back started complaining . It has a right to complain , I've abused
    it the last few days harvesting firewood .
      I'm eagerly anticipating getting this project finished , I was hoping
    to have the truck ready by next weekend for Beanfest . Looks promising
    so far , I've got all the new parts for what I want to replace . This is going to be interesting , my first experience with a limited slip diff . Dropping from 2.73:1 to 3.42's is going to make things a bit more lively
    too .

    I was going to write up some of my comments on limited slip and locking differentials, because I have had both, but the experience and which
    performed exactly how kind of runs together in my memory.

    The 03 Silverado 2500 (2wd) had auto locking rear.
    The '17 Jeep JK had limited slip. I can't recall if it was rear only or
    front and rear.

    The 07 Silverado had rear autolocking
    The 24 F250 has rear electric locking.

    I have felt the affects and it definitely helps in the soft stuff.
    Can't speak to the slippery stuff. I try to avoid that at all cost.

    Not sure exactly how posi differs from limited slip or auto locking, but
    its the real deal for street racing.

    FYI: I am thinking about building a stroked 351 and pushing it out to
    around 401. Not today though. Looking for gobs of mid range for towing
    torque with a long duration cam rather than a high reving high HP engine
    with a high lift cam. I sold my 07 Silverado and my Jeep. Now I only
    have the new 24 Ford for a tow vehicle. I feel naked without a
    backup... er tow vehicle that is.

    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Thu Oct 24 17:15:56 2024
    On 10/24/2024 3:45 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 10/21/2024 3:29 PM, Snag wrote:
       I picked up the truck axle today ... Got it bolted into place
    before my back started complaining . It has a right to complain , I've
    abused it the last few days harvesting firewood .
       I'm eagerly anticipating getting this project finished , I was
    hoping to have the truck ready by next weekend for Beanfest . Looks
    promising so far , I've got all the new parts for what I want to
    replace . This is going to be interesting , my first experience with a
    limited slip diff . Dropping from 2.73:1 to 3.42's is going to make
    things a bit more lively too .

    I was going to write up some of my comments on limited slip and locking differentials, because I have had both, but the experience and which performed exactly how kind of runs together in my memory.

    The 03 Silverado 2500 (2wd) had auto locking rear.
    The '17 Jeep JK had limited slip.  I can't recall if it was rear only or front and rear.

    The 07 Silverado had rear autolocking
    The 24 F250 has rear electric locking.

    I have felt the affects and it definitely helps in the soft stuff. Can't speak to the slippery stuff.  I try to avoid that at all cost.

    Not sure exactly how posi differs from limited slip or auto locking, but
    its the real deal for street racing.

    FYI:  I am thinking about building a stroked 351 and pushing it out to around 401.  Not today though.  Looking for gobs of mid range for towing torque with a long duration cam rather than a high reving high HP engine
    with a high lift cam.  I sold my 07 Silverado and my Jeep.  Now I only
    have the new 24 Ford for a tow vehicle.  I feel naked without a
    backup... er tow vehicle that is.


    I got the brakes on yesterday , adjusted them this morning and bolted
    the bed back on . Took it for a short ride after I finished , it seems
    to drive the same as before . Except when I punch it on gravel it leaves
    2 gouges instead of one . The one drive train "problem" I have left is
    torque converter lockup . It ain't locking up . I'll need to do some
    testing , it's probably related to all of the original pollution
    controls going missing while the truck was out of service . My poor gas
    mileage probably has something to do with that . There are manual
    workarounds , but I really want this to be automatic .
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Oct 25 06:48:42 2024
    On 10/25/2024 5:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:vfegut$2qjfr$1@dont-email.me...
    ...The one drive train "problem" I have left is
    torque converter lockup . It ain't locking up . I'll need to do some
    testing , it's probably related to all of the original pollution
    controls going missing while the truck was out of service . My poor gas mileage probably has something to do with that . There are manual
    workarounds , but I really want this to be automatic .
    Snag
    ---------------------------
    On my Honda lock lack was a symptom of a thermostat that wasn't fully
    closing and let the engine run cooler in the morning than a temperature switch trip point. The torque converter locked around noon after
    climbing a hill.

    Since I once built production test stations for engine controls I had
    read the section of my factory shop manual that explained that and immediately realized what was happening.

    The separate engine and emissions control manual for my 1991 Ford Ranger
    is 4" thick.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/374507462127
    I needed it to diagnose an intermittent problem with ignition dwell time.

    jsw

    The only control on this one is a vacuum switch . It can be tested
    with a vacuum pump and a volt/ohm meter - if I knew which wire went
    where . I haven't done much tuning , I was waiting until I had the drive
    train in it's final configuration .
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Oct 25 08:41:09 2024
    On 10/25/2024 7:38 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:vfg0iq$35k3b$1@dont-email.me...

      The only control on this one is a vacuum switch . It can be tested
    with a vacuum pump and a volt/ohm meter - if I knew which wire went
    where . I haven't done much tuning , I was waiting until I had the drive train in it's final configuration .
    Snag

    ----------------------------------
    In case you or some other reader doesn't know it, intake manifold vacuum
    is an easily accessible indication of the combined accelerator/throttle position and the load on the engine. It's high when cruising at a light
    load that allows more distributor spark advance without knocking and
    torque converter lockup.

    https://help.summitracing.com/knowledgebase/article/SR-05127/en-us
    "Under a light load and part throttle conditions, timing can be
    advanced. This improves throttle response and makes the engine more efficient. It also helps the engine run cooler. The vacuum advance
    provides this benefit BEFORE the Mechanical Advance provides Total Timing."

    I've been in the GM lab with the "flow bench" for testing carburetors
    but didn't have a chance to learn about it, the machine I had built and
    was setting up simulated faults in the 12V power supply to a fuel
    injection computer.


    I've got an Edelbrock 1405 on it , can't justify the cost of an
    aftermarket injection setup . Ignition timing is one area that I intend
    to work on . I have an Accel HiPo distributor on it . My performance guy
    thinks that I need to dial in more than 8° initial advance , and there
    are adjustments on the dist for how fast the vacuum advance comes in .
    This will never be a "fire breathing monster" , but I do hope to get a
    little smoke from the rear tires ...
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Oct 25 14:57:50 2024
    On 10/25/2024 9:31 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:vfg75j$36oul$1@dont-email.me...

    On 10/25/2024 7:38 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    ...
     I've got an Edelbrock 1405 on it , can't justify the cost of an aftermarket injection setup . Ignition timing is one area that I intend
    to work on . I have an Accel HiPo distributor on it . My performance guy thinks that I need to dial in more than 8° initial advance , and there
    are adjustments on the dist for how fast the vacuum advance comes in .
    This will never be a "fire breathing monster" , but I do hope to get a
    little smoke from the rear tires ...
    Snag
    ----------------------

    That company folded in the late 70's and I moved on to higher tech, so I don't know much about later engine control developments beyond what's in
    the shop manuals for my own 1991 and 2000 vehicles.


    Holley is still selling Accel products ...
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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 17:11:11 2024
    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 13:45:40 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
    wrote:

    On 10/21/2024 3:29 PM, Snag wrote:
    á I picked up the truck axle today ... Got it bolted into place before
    my back started complaining . It has a right to complain , I've abused
    it the last few days harvesting firewood .
    á I'm eagerly anticipating getting this project finished , I was hoping
    to have the truck ready by next weekend for Beanfest . Looks promising
    so far , I've got all the new parts for what I want to replace . This is
    going to be interesting , my first experience with a limited slip diff .
    Dropping from 2.73:1 to 3.42's is going to make things a bit more lively
    too .

    I was going to write up some of my comments on limited slip and locking >differentials, because I have had both, but the experience and which >performed exactly how kind of runs together in my memory.

    The 03 Silverado 2500 (2wd) had auto locking rear.
    The '17 Jeep JK had limited slip. I can't recall if it was rear only or >front and rear.

    The 07 Silverado had rear autolocking
    The 24 F250 has rear electric locking.

    I have felt the affects and it definitely helps in the soft stuff.
    Can't speak to the slippery stuff. I try to avoid that at all cost.

    Not sure exactly how posi differs from limited slip or auto locking, but
    its the real deal for street racing.

    FYI: I am thinking about building a stroked 351 and pushing it out to
    around 401. Not today though. Looking for gobs of mid range for towing >torque with a long duration cam rather than a high reving high HP engine
    with a high lift cam. I sold my 07 Silverado and my Jeep. Now I only
    have the new 24 Ford for a tow vehicle. I feel naked without a
    backup... er tow vehicle that is.

    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

    My '96Ranger 4 liter 5 speed was my first "limited slip" vehicle.
    SZtill have it at 392000km and still love it - but the first thing
    that caught my attention was that when you got the rear wheels
    spinning is you lost your "rudder". The non-spinner with an open rear
    end keeps the vehicle going more or less in a straight line. When both
    are spinning the rear end pretty much goes wherever it wants!!!
    Mine has 3.55 gears and replacing the piddly 14 inch OEM tires and
    wheels with 235/70 16s on 7 inch rims has reduced the tendancy to spin SIGNIFICANTLY

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Oct 25 17:17:59 2024
    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:15:56 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/24/2024 3:45 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 10/21/2024 3:29 PM, Snag wrote:
    áá I picked up the truck axle today ... Got it bolted into place
    before my back started complaining . It has a right to complain , I've
    abused it the last few days harvesting firewood .
    áá I'm eagerly anticipating getting this project finished , I was
    hoping to have the truck ready by next weekend for Beanfest . Looks
    promising so far , I've got all the new parts for what I want to
    replace . This is going to be interesting , my first experience with a
    limited slip diff . Dropping from 2.73:1 to 3.42's is going to make
    things a bit more lively too .

    I was going to write up some of my comments on limited slip and locking
    differentials, because I have had both, but the experience and which
    performed exactly how kind of runs together in my memory.

    The 03 Silverado 2500 (2wd) had auto locking rear.
    The '17 Jeep JK had limited slip.á I can't recall if it was rear only or
    front and rear.

    The 07 Silverado had rear autolocking
    The 24 F250 has rear electric locking.

    I have felt the affects and it definitely helps in the soft stuff. Can't
    speak to the slippery stuff.á I try to avoid that at all cost.

    Not sure exactly how posi differs from limited slip or auto locking, but
    its the real deal for street racing.

    FYI:á I am thinking about building a stroked 351 and pushing it out to
    around 401.á Not today though.á Looking for gobs of mid range for towing
    torque with a long duration cam rather than a high reving high HP engine
    with a high lift cam.á I sold my 07 Silverado and my Jeep.á Now I only
    have the new 24 Ford for a tow vehicle.á I feel naked without a
    backup... er tow vehicle that is.


    I got the brakes on yesterday , adjusted them this morning and bolted
    the bed back on . Took it for a short ride after I finished , it seems
    to drive the same as before . Except when I punch it on gravel it leaves
    2 gouges instead of one . The one drive train "problem" I have left is
    torque converter lockup . It ain't locking up . I'll need to do some
    testing , it's probably related to all of the original pollution
    controls going missing while the truck was out of service . My poor gas >mileage probably has something to do with that . There are manual
    workarounds , but I really want this to be automatic .
    Bad temp sensor or loww thermostat temp will do that - has to be
    warmed up to "operating temperature" before it locks. VSS is the other
    input - has to be over a certain speed. Brake light switch will also
    prevent lockup (cannot lock if the switch says the brakes are on).
    Before digging into ANY of that make sure the lockup function actually
    works by installing a manual switch. You can automate the whole thing
    with simple relay logic - the speed control is the most complicated.
    An Arduino simplifies the whole thing significantly and actually
    costsless than the 3 relays required for relay logic but you need to
    wrap your head around the boolean logic required for the arduino - and
    the basic programming involved.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Oct 25 15:44:23 2024
    On 10/25/2024 2:51 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message news:g12ohjt801lb7phvn7c047l5jvegsiu8ee@4ax.com...

    My '96Ranger 4 liter 5 speed was my first "limited slip" vehicle.
    SZtill have it at 392000km and still love it - but the first thing
    that caught my attention was that when you got the rear wheels
    spinning is you lost your "rudder". The non-spinner with an open rear
    end keeps the vehicle going more or less in a straight line. When both
    are spinning the rear end pretty much goes wherever it wants!!!... ------------------------------

    The same happens to my 91 Ranger's light rear end on ice even without
    limited slip. Dirt (and ice) biking gave me the instinctive reflexes to
    stay in control with the rear wheels flopping around. Ice on the road
    isn't limited to storms, melt water from snow banks freezes when the sun
    goes down.

    Pickup trucks in general (and some cars) are notoriously bad in dirt,
    sand, or maybe slippery stuff due to the lack of weight on the rear
    axle. The addition of as little as a couple hundred pounds over the
    axle makes a huge difference. I know this first hand. My station wagon
    was better in the sand (with similar size tires) than most empty pickup
    trucks. My first car was a very light 67 Ford Cortina (English Ford),
    It was intended as a "dune buggy" by a previous owner who installed 60s
    on the front and 50s on the rear. It was terrible until I dropped a
    couple bags of concrete in the trunk. It didn't magically turn it into
    a dune buggy, but it was pretty good after that.

    Crew cabs tend to have better weight distribution, but that is offset by increased overall weight. Add some decent width tires and they aren't
    to bad in the sand.


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    CNC Molds N Stuff

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