• FWIW first welding job, 2 years on

    From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 14 21:05:50 2024
    Hello all
    A for what it's worth...

    Actually 2~1/2 years since ali. GMAW job.
    First local job since arriving in Cornwall 2 years ago.
    Yes - I crossed the Tamar from Devon. Very loaded issue.

    Is a fabco.
    Been MIG'ing steel all day.

    Best wishes everyone,
    Rich S

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Oct 15 04:41:07 2024
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:
    ...
    Did the US gold mine elevator accident have any effect on your mining
    museum activities? I was careful to limit what I suggested. ...

    I hadn't even followed the story.
    I'd vaguely heard of it, but wasn't retained and otherwise mentioned.
    I'd study the explanation of what happened when it emerges.

    Thing is, keeping historic mines open is inherently risky and
    challenging. I've seen in video how much effort various preserved mines
    in the US have to go to. eg. there's one on the Comstock Lode, where
    some of the almost unique features of mining that lode are seen.

    So occasional mishaps are going to happen.

    The value to society of seeing where our forebearers scraped a living is
    so very very high.
    So the risks while known are accepted. Someone somewhere will be in the
    wrong place at the wrong time - but to lose contact with forebearers and continuity is a "no way" for our societies.

    "Our" shaft is only about something like 100ft deep. Is haulage skip
    only - no person riding. We use a ladder shaft to get in / out of mine.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Oct 15 04:18:53 2024
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1froyjvq9.fsf@void.com...

    Yes - I crossed the Tamar from Devon. Very loaded issue.

    ----------------------------
    One Tamar bridge has a unique design: https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/brunels-royal-albert-bridge-unveiled-in-all-its-splendour

    The upper arch expands under load, the lower one contracts and cancels
    the upper's end thrust, thus the supporting piers can be quite narrow
    and the abutments curved to match the track right-of-way.

    I pass that, the Saltash Bridge, travelling back to Devon of I go the South-of-Dartmoor route through Plymouth.
    From the road suspension bridge the 1850's Brunel railway Saltash bridge
    is alongside.

    It is a spectacular sight.
    Many Brunel solutions are very special - there is a clean rationality to
    the design, as best I can put it.

    Regards,
    Rich S

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 15 04:47:36 2024
    What was "unique" about mining the Comstock Lode is shown here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_Lode
    in pic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_Lode#/media/File:Mining_on_the_Comstock.jpg
    That "cuboid" bracing.
    There is some of that to be seen in a preserved mine.
    But yes, preserving a mine isn't easy, in general.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Oct 15 14:31:55 2024
    On 10/15/2024 9:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Richard Smith"  wrote in message news:m18quqowx8.fsf@void.com...

    The value to society of seeing where our forebearers scraped a living is
    so very very high.
    So the risks while known are accepted.  Someone somewhere will be in the wrong place at the wrong time - but to lose contact with forebearers and continuity is a "no way" for our societies. ----------------------------------

    I live in a somewhat sparsely populated hilly to mountainous state next
    to a flat highly urban one whose residents flock here for vacations.
    Over the weekend the TV ran a warning that hiking in the mountains
    requires more cold weather preparation than many arrive with, being used
    to always having warm indoor shelter nearby. Specifically, don't climb
    in October wearing sneakers or even shorts and sandals. Crosses mark
    where hikers froze to death in July. Several times I've seen mountain
    hikers very poorly prepared for the arctic wind and cold and deep snow
    at altitude while it's sunny and warm where they parked, a few miles
    away. While descending late in the day in January, equipped as for Mt Everest, we met and escorted back a group of teens struggling uphill
    through the snow in light jackets and sneakers. Another hiker and I made winter gear and were testing my goose down parka and his snowshoe
    climbing grips.

    NH mountains aren't particularly high but their weather can be similar
    to northern Labrador. We don't benefit from Gulf Stream warmth as you
    do, we get Norwegian cold (-20C) at Italian latitude (42N). Our
    urbanites have become used to thinking that the world is safe and not
    staying alert or taking precautions.


    Sounds like a good way to cull the incurably stupid among us ... our
    culture has pretty much eliminated natural selection .
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    Snag
    Voting for Kamabla after Biden
    is like changing your shirt because
    you shit your pants .

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Oct 16 21:54:43 2024
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m18quqowx8.fsf@void.com...

    The value to society of seeing where our forebearers scraped a living is
    so very very high.
    So the risks while known are accepted. Someone somewhere will be in the wrong place at the wrong time - but to lose contact with forebearers and continuity is a "no way" for our societies. ----------------------------------

    I live in a somewhat sparsely populated hilly to mountainous state
    next to a flat highly urban one whose residents flock here for
    vacations. Over the weekend the TV ran a warning that hiking in the
    mountains requires more cold weather preparation than many arrive
    with, being used to always having warm indoor shelter
    nearby. Specifically, don't climb in October wearing sneakers or even
    shorts and sandals. Crosses mark where hikers froze to death in
    July. Several times I've seen mountain hikers very poorly prepared for
    the arctic wind and cold and deep snow at altitude while it's sunny
    and warm where they parked, a few miles away. While descending late in
    the day in January, equipped as for Mt Everest, we met and escorted
    back a group of teens struggling uphill through the snow in light
    jackets and sneakers. Another hiker and I made winter gear and were
    testing my goose down parka and his snowshoe climbing grips.

    NH mountains aren't particularly high but their weather can be similar
    to northern Labrador. We don't benefit from Gulf Stream warmth as you
    do, we get Norwegian cold (-20C) at Italian latitude (42N). Our
    urbanites have become used to thinking that the world is safe and not
    staying alert or taking precautions.

    From where I come from in the Pennines in Northern England - "nothing"
    by continental standards - the local mountain rescue cheerfully lists
    "popular" ways people get in a mess and/or come by mishaps.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 16 21:55:56 2024
    Made it to third day so far...
    Might have a niche there.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 4 18:49:50 2024
    Into fourth week in job.
    Is tough. New techniques for slightly different situations not
    previously met.
    Getting strength back to be welding all day.
    About 1/3rd of my work is making components for mineral separating
    machinery. Very Cornish.
    Best wishes

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Richard Smith on Sat Dec 7 12:14:18 2024
    Richard Smith <null@void.com> writes:

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1froyjvq9.fsf@void.com...

    Yes - I crossed the Tamar from Devon. Very loaded issue.

    ----------------------------
    One Tamar bridge has a unique design:
    https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/brunels-royal-albert-bridge-unveiled-in-all-its-splendour

    The upper arch expands under load, the lower one contracts and cancels
    the upper's end thrust, thus the supporting piers can be quite narrow
    and the abutments curved to match the track right-of-way.

    I pass that, the Saltash Bridge, travelling back to Devon of I go the South-of-Dartmoor route through Plymouth.
    From the road suspension bridge the 1850's Brunel railway Saltash bridge
    is alongside.

    It is a spectacular sight.
    Many Brunel solutions are very special - there is a clean rationality to
    the design, as best I can put it.

    Regards,
    Rich S

    Done 7th week of weldign job. It seems to be settling-down. My
    repertoire of customers is very limited, but I am refining my welding
    technique and getting more efficient hence quicker.

    I've had some "golden hints" - eg. for an outside-corner MIG / GMAW
    joint in the horizontal-vertical position, a weave is needed bacause it
    will not run stable otherwise (familiar other one is horizontal-vertical T-fillet weld with 6010 cellulosic stick - sometimes will not run stable "straight-run" and needs a "whipping" manipulation). I only needed to
    see it for one second for "the penny to drop".
    Others similar-ish. So, has been good.

    I have contributed - this has started to happen. I used "the bubble" (spirit-level) on some fabrications, and found that what it cost in time
    to set things off parallel at the first stage was more than made-up for
    by the "ideal" time it took to fit-up and weld the rest.
    Show the approach and the corrections, the owner and designer where on
    the press-brake with dial-gauges, etc., and made adjustments.
    ie. there is something positive going on.

    Etc.

    It is hard work getting back to it, for sure.

    I have developed muscles to "float the torch" (GMAW "gun").
    While having a guide can give the most "exhibition grade" welds,
    practically for production "floating the torch" has you quickly moving
    along the welds presented in-line on your trestles.
    It is good keeping a consistent weld when the "harness" (tube for the
    wire, gas, control-cables, etc.) has found something to drag on mid-run
    and you continue to do an invariant run. Etc.

    Best wishes

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Dec 11 06:35:58 2024
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1a5d7bsh1.fsf@void.com...

    I have contributed - this has started to happen. I used "the bubble" (spirit-level) on some fabrications, and found that what it cost in time
    to set things off parallel at the first stage was more than made-up for
    by the "ideal" time it took to fit-up and weld the rest.
    Show the approach and the corrections, the owner and designer where on
    the press-brake with dial-gauges, etc., and made adjustments.
    ie. there is something positive going on. ...
    -------------------------
    Could you expand on that?

    I found out the hard way how much welds can distort a precise
    alignment, especially a weld across an inside corner. I had to jack
    the sawmill ladder frame parallel (enough) and mill the shrunken gap
    in a bending brake hinge assembled from surface-ground plates. The
    surface welds along the sides of the plate stack didn't destroy the
    0.005" fork/tongue clearance, but welding inside the fork did.

    Do diagonal or fish mouth/tail ends (vs square) improve stress
    distribution and/or reduce distortion in butt joint splice plate
    welds? One end of the splice plate would be bolted, the other welded
    after aligning the beams.

    When I was building custom machinery the press brake operator and
    welder compensated for distortion, the all-welded machine frames were
    square to 1/32". They were mostly multiple 19" relay racks that we had
    to fit the equipment panels into, so we would see any error. I knew
    they marked the prints with allowances for bending and welding but
    they didn't share, and the front surface welds had been ground and
    filled as invisible as auto body repairs.
    tia, jsw

    You are well ahead of me. i doubt i can help.

    Press-brake - they have a press-brake, yes - good.
    Not new when bought. Is small "fabco.".
    Seeing if corrections / calibrations needed to go in to the settings, I think.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Dec 11 21:01:27 2024
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1jzc6u3ox.fsf@void.com...

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    Bending / welding allowances

    You are well ahead of me. i doubt i can help.

    Press-brake - they have a press-brake, yes - good.
    Not new when bought. Is small "fabco.".
    Seeing if corrections / calibrations needed to go in to the settings,
    I think.

    --------------------

    Bending allowance can be determined by bending a small test coupon and measuring the resulting lengths. I've seen welders hammer the cooling
    beads but my night school training didn't cover that aspect, it seemed
    to be done by experience and judgment instead of pre-planning.

    A practical example is welding a repair in a curved fender. A patch
    dished to copy the existing fender shape will flatten from weld
    shrinkage. If there's space behind, like on my pickup truck bed, I can restore the curve with a hammer and dolly, but the integral steel
    inner wheel well on the car blocks access for a dolly so if it had
    antique value I'd need to preform the patch 'somewhat' deeper to
    compensate, or build it up with filler.
    jsw

    Lot of experience there.

    Funnily enough, was helping the boss on the press-brake today. Ran out
    of folded plate pressings and no other work, so did a run. The boss had
    me involved in his (our) measurements - getting the pressings from
    "nearly" to matches drawing dimensions and angles.
    Got some idea of the adjustable variables and what error can manifest as
    on pressings.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 12 18:36:42 2024
    Thanks for the hints about the 3-in-1 sheet metalworking machine.
    Something of that size might be doable in my outbuilding if projects
    were to go that way.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Dec 20 20:17:17 2024
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:vjhbbh$3e2nh$1@dont-email.me...

    The valuable equipment is a lathe for power transmission components and a vertical mill for the static structure, plus a horizontal bandsaw to cut stock.

    ...

    I'd like to have a lathe again for sure.

    When I was a youth I had no connection to anyone familiar or who could
    mentor me.
    Now I have been involved in a lot of commercial manufacturing operations
    and done a fair amount of machining.
    With landing-down here, might soon come time to look at this - getting
    some machine tools.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 21 07:47:48 2024
    There was a phone call received from an installer at site which was
    essentially "What's going on? Everything fits!".
    That was when what I made had gone by the galvanisers and began arriving
    at site.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Richard Smith on Sat Dec 21 11:52:49 2024
    On 12/20/2024 1:17 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:vjhbbh$3e2nh$1@dont-email.me...

    The valuable equipment is a lathe for power transmission components and a
    vertical mill for the static structure, plus a horizontal bandsaw to cut
    stock.

    ...

    I'd like to have a lathe again for sure.

    When I was a youth I had no connection to anyone familiar or who could
    mentor me.
    Now I have been involved in a lot of commercial manufacturing operations
    and done a fair amount of machining.
    With landing-down here, might soon come time to look at this - getting
    some machine tools.

    There is something to be said for trying to finish a project on a
    Saturday afternoon, and being able to make a part complete the job
    today. As opposed to waiting until Monday to run down to the store if
    you have the time on Monday and if the store actually has the part you
    need. Or worse have to order the part and wait until Monday until they
    ship it... at the earliest.

    I've spent $100 (or more) worth of my time to make a $2 part more than
    once to finish a job and get it DONE rather than having another
    unfinished job on the list waiting on parts.






    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Dec 31 19:57:49 2024
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:


    I liked the freedom at small companies that allowed me to expand into functions they didn't have. Usually I ended up responsible for all
    aspects of custom product creation, electrical, mechanical and
    software, after I had proven able to handle them. Symbolic of those
    companies was a note for the last one out to please lock the door, the
    job was interesting enough to work late.

    The downside was their high failure rate, at times from lawsuits by
    less successful competitors. I was un- or underemployed during
    economic downturns when startups folded and R&D investment dried up. I learned to live very cheaply, cutting firewood for heat, maintaining
    the house and car and using free antenna rather than expensive cable
    TV. That's why my Internet access is somewhat limited, right now to
    10GB of tethered cellular per month. In those times I was free to
    scout auctions etc for good deals on orphaned lab test equipment and
    metal shop machinery.

    I am feeling happy at this place.
    It is hard to predict what the future will hold. I can only hope that
    if things turn difficult in ways which seem possible (I am in Britain),
    local manufacture will be favoured.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 1 16:14:27 2025
    On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 19:57:49 +0000, Richard Smith <null@void.com>
    wrote:

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:


    I liked the freedom at small companies that allowed me to expand into
    functions they didn't have. Usually I ended up responsible for all
    aspects of custom product creation, electrical, mechanical and
    software, after I had proven able to handle them. Symbolic of those
    companies was a note for the last one out to please lock the door, the
    job was interesting enough to work late.

    The downside was their high failure rate, at times from lawsuits by
    less successful competitors. I was un- or underemployed during
    economic downturns when startups folded and R&D investment dried up. I
    learned to live very cheaply, cutting firewood for heat, maintaining
    the house and car and using free antenna rather than expensive cable
    TV. That's why my Internet access is somewhat limited, right now to
    10GB of tethered cellular per month. In those times I was free to
    scout auctions etc for good deals on orphaned lab test equipment and
    metal shop machinery.

    I am feeling happy at this place.
    It is hard to predict what the future will hold. I can only hope that
    if things turn difficult in ways which seem possible (I am in Britain),
    local manufacture will be favoured.

    Order a box from McM and see where they came from. Actually, McM will
    tell you if you ask, I'm told.

    Joe

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Dec 27 06:06:36 2024
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message
    news:m1v7vd4guz.fsf@void.com... There was a phone call received from
    an installer at site which was
    essentially "What's going on? Everything fits!".
    That was when what I made had gone by the galvanisers and began arriving
    at site.

    --------------------------------
    Were you let go for embarrassing other designers?

    They are pleased.
    It's a small Company, and the niche of doing detail on components is a
    bonus they didn't know they needed but are happy to have.

    They are able to squeeze variability given the hints in the info. I
    provide - which benefits everything and everybody.
    So a niche role so far is having a general benefit.

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