• Re: Further testing needed ...

    From Snag@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Sep 21 14:06:52 2024
    On 9/20/2024 5:51 PM, Snag wrote:
      I got the back plate finished for the 3 inch chuck and I'm a bit disappointed at my initial testing results . I've measured .015 runout
    on a piece of 1/2 inch stock that I'm pretty sure is straight . Might be
    the jaws since the chuck body indicates about .004 near the face . These
    are the inside step jaws and the clamping surface is not very long so
    that may be part of it . I'll be installing the outside step jaws
    tomorrow and checking them - it came with 2 sets of those , one which
    matches the chuck s/n and one that doesn't . The inside step set I have installed do not match numbers ... aaahhh , what should I expect for a
    $10 yard sale purchase !
      Actually , it may be as simple as regrinding the mismatched jaw sets
    to match this chuck . I have a little time to play with it , got no
    "other people's projects" in the shop right now .

    Further testing having been completed the chuck has runout with all 3
    sets of jaws of around .007" . Chuck body is more like .002-.003 . A
    known straight 1/2" rod is not pointing straight with the ways ...
    looks like it's time to set up the toolpost grinder .
    So it looks like maybe a cheap chuck , though well made . Fit and
    finish are good , everything fits as it should and the scroll moves
    smoothly with all 3 pinions . Which brings me to a question - since
    there's more than one pinion is it going to make any difference which
    one I use ? Do I need to give 'em all 3 a twist when I mount a piece of
    stock ?
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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Sep 21 13:17:19 2024
    On 9/21/2024 12:06 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 9/20/2024 5:51 PM, Snag wrote:
       I got the back plate finished for the 3 inch chuck and I'm a bit
    disappointed at my initial testing results . I've measured .015 runout
    on a piece of 1/2 inch stock that I'm pretty sure is straight . Might
    be the jaws since the chuck body indicates about .004 near the face .
    These are the inside step jaws and the clamping surface is not very
    long so that may be part of it . I'll be installing the outside step
    jaws tomorrow and checking them - it came with 2 sets of those , one
    which matches the chuck s/n and one that doesn't . The inside step set
    I have installed do not match numbers ... aaahhh , what should I
    expect for a $10 yard sale purchase !
       Actually , it may be as simple as regrinding the mismatched jaw
    sets to match this chuck . I have a little time to play with it , got
    no "other people's projects" in the shop right now .

      Further testing having been completed the chuck has runout with all 3 sets of jaws of around .007" . Chuck body is more like .002-.003 . A
    known straight 1/2" rod is not pointing  straight with the ways ...
    looks like it's time to set up the toolpost grinder .
      So it looks like maybe a cheap chuck , though well made . Fit and
    finish are good , everything fits as it should and the scroll moves
    smoothly with all 3 pinions . Which brings me to a question - since
    there's more than one pinion is it going to make any difference which
    one I use ? Do I need to give 'em all 3 a twist when I mount a piece of
    stock ?

    Does a known straight rod point straight and parallel if is directly in
    a collet that fits in the native spindle bore? If not then level
    (untwist) your lathe before doing anything else.

    Which pinion to use? I have no idea. Whenever I use a scroll chuck I
    try to do all operations that are important to be concentric in a single
    setup so runout is not a big deal. If I can't and close is good enough sometimes I wing it or carefully clock the part, but if it must be dead
    nuts I either dial in the set tru for that size or use the 4 jaw.

    I expect when I get the turret/collet lathe finished I'll do most of the
    close enough repetitive work in it.

    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Sep 21 21:59:26 2024
    On 21/09/2024 20:06, Snag wrote:
    On 9/20/2024 5:51 PM, Snag wrote:
       I got the back plate finished for the 3 inch chuck and I'm a bit
    disappointed at my initial testing results . I've measured .015
    runout on a piece of 1/2 inch stock that I'm pretty sure is straight
    . Might be the jaws since the chuck body indicates about .004 near
    the face . These are the inside step jaws and the clamping surface is
    not very long so that may be part of it . I'll be installing the
    outside step jaws tomorrow and checking them - it came with 2 sets of
    those , one which matches the chuck s/n and one that doesn't . The
    inside step set I have installed do not match numbers ... aaahhh ,
    what should I expect for a $10 yard sale purchase !
       Actually , it may be as simple as regrinding the mismatched jaw
    sets to match this chuck . I have a little time to play with it , got
    no "other people's projects" in the shop right now .

      Further testing having been completed the chuck has runout with all
    3 sets of jaws of around .007" . Chuck body is more like .002-.003 . A
    known straight 1/2" rod is not pointing  straight with the ways ...
    looks like it's time to set up the toolpost grinder .
      So it looks like maybe a cheap chuck , though well made . Fit and
    finish are good , everything fits as it should and the scroll moves
    smoothly with all 3 pinions . Which brings me to a question - since
    there's more than one pinion is it going to make any difference which
    one I use ? Do I need to give 'em all 3 a twist when I mount a piece
    of stock ?

    Does it have a pinion with a 0 next it? All my 3 jaw self centring
    chucks have one and is supposed to be the pinion which result in the
    minimum runout.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to David Billington on Sat Sep 21 17:48:03 2024
    On 9/21/2024 3:59 PM, David Billington wrote:
    On 21/09/2024 20:06, Snag wrote:
    On 9/20/2024 5:51 PM, Snag wrote:
       I got the back plate finished for the 3 inch chuck and I'm a bit
    disappointed at my initial testing results . I've measured .015
    runout on a piece of 1/2 inch stock that I'm pretty sure is straight
    . Might be the jaws since the chuck body indicates about .004 near
    the face . These are the inside step jaws and the clamping surface is
    not very long so that may be part of it . I'll be installing the
    outside step jaws tomorrow and checking them - it came with 2 sets of
    those , one which matches the chuck s/n and one that doesn't . The
    inside step set I have installed do not match numbers ... aaahhh ,
    what should I expect for a $10 yard sale purchase !
       Actually , it may be as simple as regrinding the mismatched jaw
    sets to match this chuck . I have a little time to play with it , got
    no "other people's projects" in the shop right now .

      Further testing having been completed the chuck has runout with all
    3 sets of jaws of around .007" . Chuck body is more like .002-.003 . A
    known straight 1/2" rod is not pointing  straight with the ways ...
    looks like it's time to set up the toolpost grinder .
      So it looks like maybe a cheap chuck , though well made . Fit and
    finish are good , everything fits as it should and the scroll moves
    smoothly with all 3 pinions . Which brings me to a question - since
    there's more than one pinion is it going to make any difference which
    one I use ? Do I need to give 'em all 3 a twist when I mount a piece
    of stock ?

    Does it have a pinion with a 0 next it? All my 3 jaw self centring
    chucks have one and is supposed to be the pinion which result in the
    minimum runout.


    I'll have to look and see . I haven't noticed any markings next to
    one of the pinions .
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    Snag
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sat Sep 21 17:46:41 2024
    On 9/21/2024 3:17 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 9/21/2024 12:06 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 9/20/2024 5:51 PM, Snag wrote:
       I got the back plate finished for the 3 inch chuck and I'm a bit
    disappointed at my initial testing results . I've measured .015
    runout on a piece of 1/2 inch stock that I'm pretty sure is straight
    . Might be the jaws since the chuck body indicates about .004 near
    the face . These are the inside step jaws and the clamping surface is
    not very long so that may be part of it . I'll be installing the
    outside step jaws tomorrow and checking them - it came with 2 sets of
    those , one which matches the chuck s/n and one that doesn't . The
    inside step set I have installed do not match numbers ... aaahhh ,
    what should I expect for a $10 yard sale purchase !
       Actually , it may be as simple as regrinding the mismatched jaw
    sets to match this chuck . I have a little time to play with it , got
    no "other people's projects" in the shop right now .

       Further testing having been completed the chuck has runout with all
    3 sets of jaws of around .007" . Chuck body is more like .002-.003 . A
    known straight 1/2" rod is not pointing  straight with the ways ...
    looks like it's time to set up the toolpost grinder .
       So it looks like maybe a cheap chuck , though well made . Fit and
    finish are good , everything fits as it should and the scroll moves
    smoothly with all 3 pinions . Which brings me to a question - since
    there's more than one pinion is it going to make any difference which
    one I use ? Do I need to give 'em all 3 a twist when I mount a piece
    of stock ?

    Does a known straight rod point straight and parallel if is directly in
    a collet that fits in the native spindle bore?  If not then level
    (untwist) your lathe before doing anything else.

    The lathe is level and no twist as measured with a .005"/foot
    precision level . I have no collets to test with , but with the 5" 3 jaw
    I get no measurable taper .

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Sep 21 17:55:39 2024
    On 9/21/2024 4:21 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:vcn5gc$1n35p$1@dont-email.me...

      Further testing having been completed the chuck has runout with all 3 sets of jaws of around .007" . Chuck body is more like .002-.003 . A
    known straight 1/2" rod is not pointing  straight with the ways ...
    looks like it's time to set up the toolpost grinder .
      So it looks like maybe a cheap chuck , though well made . Fit and
    finish are good , everything fits as it should and the scroll moves
    smoothly with all 3 pinions . Which brings me to a question - since
    there's more than one pinion is it going to make any difference which
    one I use ? Do I need to give 'em all 3 a twist when I mount a piece of
    stock ?

    ------------------

    In the new Mongolian 6-jaw I cleaned up the scroll plate fit quite
    closely on its pivot in the body, too tight until it was cleaned. I
    don't think it could shift away from whichever pinion I tightened.
    Perhaps it might in a worn chuck.
    ------------------

    I don't think this chuck has much wear . All the jaws look "new" but
    that doesn't always mean much . I was told the original owner was into woodworking , which doesn't necessarily require the precision needed for
    metal working . By tightening all 3 pinions I have gotten it down to
    average .004" , which is pretty close to my original equipment 5" chuck
    . I can live with that ...
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    Snag
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 20 17:51:04 2024
    I got the back plate finished for the 3 inch chuck and I'm a bit disappointed at my initial testing results . I've measured .015 runout
    on a piece of 1/2 inch stock that I'm pretty sure is straight . Might be
    the jaws since the chuck body indicates about .004 near the face . These
    are the inside step jaws and the clamping surface is not very long so
    that may be part of it . I'll be installing the outside step jaws
    tomorrow and checking them - it came with 2 sets of those , one which
    matches the chuck s/n and one that doesn't . The inside step set I have installed do not match numbers ... aaahhh , what should I expect for a
    $10 yard sale purchase !
    Actually , it may be as simple as regrinding the mismatched jaw sets
    to match this chuck . I have a little time to play with it , got no
    "other people's projects" in the shop right now .
    --
    Snag
    Voting for Kamabla after Biden
    is like changing your shirt because
    you shit your pants .

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