• Re: grind flat surface on rocks / granite

    From bp@www.zefox.net@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Sep 21 16:31:28 2024
    Jim Wilkins <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

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    Search for "gem faceting machine".


    Probably everybody knows about Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy
    by Wayne Moore. Just mentioning it for the record.... being the
    first thing that came to mind after reading the thread subject.

    bob prohaska

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 20 08:48:28 2024
    Hello all

    Thanks for all help.
    Volunteering at local museum and hobby mines, benefitting from advice
    on things here, and hopefully starting work again as a welder
    imminently.

    Grinding flat surface on granite samples to make visually well
    presented samples of geological features - eg. the "contact" between
    different types of rock...

    Find is true a diamond-plate like for eg. sharpening plane-blades when
    on-site produces a beautiful find shiny smooth grind on the rock
    samples.

    Problem - the removal rate is tiny - need a flat sample to start with
    if going to do that.

    Advice here is glide tools over the surface and go through finer and
    finer grits getting a surface which is polished though not necessarily machine-flat. Comments
    * this is the voice of experience
    * is there really the need for the sample to be machine-flat?

    Anyway, I was thinking how it might be possible to produce a flat
    surface.

    In the steelworks labs. there was the "swing-grinder" which had a
    vertical spindle and you swung it back and forth over a sample in the
    chuck, lowering it a bit per pass to produce a flat surface to start
    going through the finer and finer emery grits with until you could diamond-polish it to mirror finish.

    I thought of base and column of a bench-drill, clamp a collar on the
    pillar at height of finishing plane, and have angle-grinder on an arm
    you swing back and forth. Letting the grinder ride-up for light
    "cuts", but eventually stopping at the plane dictated by the collar
    locked to the pillar (column).

    Anyone got a better idea / know how it should actually be done - if at
    all?

    Regards,
    Rich S

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Richard Smith on Fri Sep 20 13:03:00 2024
    On 9/20/2024 12:48 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Hello all

    Thanks for all help.
    Volunteering at local museum and hobby mines, benefitting from advice
    on things here, and hopefully starting work again as a welder
    imminently.

    Grinding flat surface on granite samples to make visually well
    presented samples of geological features - eg. the "contact" between different types of rock...

    Find is true a diamond-plate like for eg. sharpening plane-blades when on-site produces a beautiful find shiny smooth grind on the rock
    samples.

    Problem - the removal rate is tiny - need a flat sample to start with
    if going to do that.

    Advice here is glide tools over the surface and go through finer and
    finer grits getting a surface which is polished though not necessarily machine-flat. Comments
    * this is the voice of experience
    * is there really the need for the sample to be machine-flat?

    Anyway, I was thinking how it might be possible to produce a flat
    surface.

    In the steelworks labs. there was the "swing-grinder" which had a
    vertical spindle and you swung it back and forth over a sample in the
    chuck, lowering it a bit per pass to produce a flat surface to start
    going through the finer and finer emery grits with until you could diamond-polish it to mirror finish.

    I thought of base and column of a bench-drill, clamp a collar on the
    pillar at height of finishing plane, and have angle-grinder on an arm
    you swing back and forth. Letting the grinder ride-up for light
    "cuts", but eventually stopping at the plane dictated by the collar
    locked to the pillar (column).

    Anyone got a better idea / know how it should actually be done - if at
    all?

    Regards,
    Rich S


    Making flat surfaces from rubbing surfaces together IS a slow process.
    I can't imagine doing it. The way I understand it is that it can be
    done to near laboratory or at least machine shop tolerances, but it
    takes three surfaces with swap of mates and orientation. If I were to
    get into it I'd look at some of Robin Renzeti's (spelling?) videos on
    YouTube for the basic process. He really goes down the rabbit hole on
    the subject I think. There is also a dentist who got into precision
    grinding as a side business, but I don't recall his name or if he even
    has a YouTube channel. Abom79 on YouTube (Adam Booth) worked with the
    guy on some stuff. Might have just been making precision bench stones.
    I don't recall. While they are not necessarily anywhere close to what
    you want to do, they may give you insight into how to do what you want.

    That being said, the one thing you seem to catch my attention about was
    time and material removal rate. I am always sensitive to time, and I
    don't know how you could improve that except by employing mechanical
    means to assist in at least the rough/coarse part of the process. The
    problem I see with mechanizing the fine finish is you might need fairly
    fine mechanical bits.

    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Sep 20 17:28:53 2024
    On 9/20/2024 4:32 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:vckkdk$17tla$1@dont-email.me...
    That being said, the one thing you seem to catch my attention about was
    time and material removal rate.  I am always sensitive to time, and I
    don't know how you could improve that except by employing mechanical
    means to assist in at least the rough/coarse part of the process.  The problem I see with mechanizing the fine finish is you might need fairly
    fine mechanical bits.
    Bob La Londe

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    Search for "gem faceting machine".


    All this talk about flat rocks has pushed me right over the edge . I
    just ordered a 9 x 12 x 2 surface plate ... supposed to be within a
    tenth which is probably closer than anything I'll be doing . And just
    over 60 bucks delivered .
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