• Nationwide injunctions

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 28 20:53:05 2025
    Trump challenged three nationwide injunctions blocking enforcement of
    his executive order ending birthright citizenship.

    Most such injunctions will end although I think there are exceptions I
    don't understand. These can be filed as class actions but the Supreme
    Court earlier in John Roberts' tenure made it extremely difficult to
    file as a class, hence the nationwide injunctions.

    I'm a bit sympathetic to Trump's argument that plaintiffs seeking
    equitable relief will jurisdiction shop and the government must defend
    case after case after case.

    However, there should be nationwide injunctions allowed against the
    government without jurisdiction shopping. Last I looked, Washington
    remains the seat of government. Give that district court exclusive
    authority so the government might defend one case and not myriad cases. Congress would have to fix that.

    By the way, this affected the administrations of Democratic presidents
    too, so Republicans are losing plenty of political leverage.

    I don't agree with Amy Coney Barrett. If the president is about to do
    something unconstitutional, why shouldn't he be enjoined? Certainly
    there is court jurisdiction for that.

    The merits of the case were not at issue in this ruling and talking
    heads were saying it's unlikely that, if these cases continue in trial
    courts, Trump will win on the merits.

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/06/supreme-court-sides-with-trump-administration-on-nationwide-injunctions-in-birthright-citizenship-case/

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat Jun 28 15:53:25 2025
    On 6/28/2025 1:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Trump challenged three nationwide injunctions blocking enforcement of
    his executive order ending birthright citizenship.

    Most such injunctions will end although I think there are exceptions I
    don't understand. These can be filed as class actions but the Supreme
    Court earlier in John Roberts' tenure made it extremely difficult to
    file as a class, hence the nationwide injunctions.

    I'm a bit sympathetic to Trump's argument that plaintiffs seeking
    equitable relief will jurisdiction shop and the government must defend
    case after case after case.

    And Republicans try to get their cases heard in Texas because the judges
    there are the most friendly to them.

    However, there should be nationwide injunctions allowed against the government without jurisdiction shopping. Last I looked, Washington
    remains the seat of government. Give that district court exclusive
    authority so the government might defend one case and not myriad cases. Congress would have to fix that.

    By the way, this affected the administrations of Democratic presidents
    too, so Republicans are losing plenty of political leverage.

    I don't agree with Amy Coney Barrett. If the president is about to do something unconstitutional, why shouldn't he be enjoined? Certainly
    there is court jurisdiction for that.

    The merits of the case were not at issue in this ruling and talking
    heads were saying it's unlikely that, if these cases continue in trial courts, Trump will win on the merits.

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/06/supreme-court-sides-with-trump-administration-on-nationwide-injunctions-in-birthright-citizenship-case/


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat Jun 28 23:08:47 2025
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    6/28/2025 1:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Trump challenged three nationwide injunctions blocking enforcement of
    his executive order ending birthright citizenship.

    Most such injunctions will end although I think there are exceptions I >>don't understand. These can be filed as class actions but the Supreme
    Court earlier in John Roberts' tenure made it extremely difficult to
    file as a class, hence the nationwide injunctions.

    I'm a bit sympathetic to Trump's argument that plaintiffs seeking
    equitable relief will jurisdiction shop and the government must defend
    case after case after case.

    And Republicans try to get their cases heard in Texas because the judges >there are the most friendly to them.

    As I said below, Republicans have lost such leverage.

    btw it's because Texas has those unique subdistricts to which a single
    judge is assigned. File in that subdistrict for equitable relief, you
    actually know the judge that will rule on your petition. File in the
    main district court, the judge would be randomly assigned.

    No other state has this.

    However, there should be nationwide injunctions allowed against the >>government without jurisdiction shopping. Last I looked, Washington
    remains the seat of government. Give that district court exclusive >>authority so the government might defend one case and not myriad cases. >>Congress would have to fix that.

    By the way, this affected the administrations of Democratic presidents
    too, so Republicans are losing plenty of political leverage.

    . . .

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Sun Jun 29 09:38:46 2025
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 15:53:25 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 1:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Trump challenged three nationwide injunctions blocking enforcement of
    his executive order ending birthright citizenship.

    Most such injunctions will end although I think there are exceptions I
    don't understand. These can be filed as class actions but the Supreme
    Court earlier in John Roberts' tenure made it extremely difficult to
    file as a class, hence the nationwide injunctions.

    I'm a bit sympathetic to Trump's argument that plaintiffs seeking
    equitable relief will jurisdiction shop and the government must defend
    case after case after case.

    And Republicans try to get their cases heard in Texas because the judges >there are the most friendly to them.


    Now there is no need for forum shopping.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Sun Jun 29 09:36:31 2025
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 20:53:05 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Trump challenged three nationwide injunctions blocking enforcement of
    his executive order ending birthright citizenship.

    Most such injunctions will end although I think there are exceptions I
    don't understand. These can be filed as class actions but the Supreme
    Court earlier in John Roberts' tenure made it extremely difficult to
    file as a class, hence the nationwide injunctions.

    I'm a bit sympathetic to Trump's argument that plaintiffs seeking
    equitable relief will jurisdiction shop and the government must defend
    case after case after case.

    However, there should be nationwide injunctions allowed against the >government without jurisdiction shopping. Last I looked, Washington
    remains the seat of government. Give that district court exclusive
    authority so the government might defend one case and not myriad cases. >Congress would have to fix that.

    By the way, this affected the administrations of Democratic presidents
    too, so Republicans are losing plenty of political leverage.

    I don't agree with Amy Coney Barrett. If the president is about to do >something unconstitutional, why shouldn't he be enjoined? Certainly
    there is court jurisdiction for that.

    The merits of the case were not at issue in this ruling and talking
    heads were saying it's unlikely that, if these cases continue in trial >courts, Trump will win on the merits.

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/06/supreme-court-sides-with-trump-administration-on-nationwide-injunctions-in-birthright-citizenship-case/

    The whole point of the Court's ruling was to note that there simply is
    no power to make nation-wide rulings. If you can find it the
    Constitution, please quote it for us. Additionally, who cares if the
    case if filed in DC? That's no more relevant than a case filed in
    Ohio. If you don't like the laws, you can contact Congress which is
    what the remedy is. You don't use selected king judges to ignore the
    Supreme Court.

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