• bridges, was: Make It Make Sense

    From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Jun 19 18:57:37 2025
    In <1031k1k$dvf$3@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    On 2025-06-19 1:21 PM, danny burstein wrote:
    In <1031g9t$dvf$2@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:
    [snip[

    Certain border crossing points are also surprising. Windsor and Detroit
    are separated by a river that basically runs north-south so when you
    cross the border on either of the bridges or the tunnel, you are
    travelling east to west when going from Windsor to Detroit, not
    north-south as you would expect.

    "either of the bridges"????? Counting the days until Gordie Howe opens...

    My mistake, I thought the Gordie Howe bridge had already opened.

    There are a bunch of overhead signs on Canada's (?401?) highway
    approaching Windsor which are a combination of sheet metal on
    the left and LED displays on the right.

    The printed side says (roughly, and in both English
    and French [I'm just doing English])

    "Time to crossings:
    "Tunnel:
    "Ambassador Bridge:
    "Gordie Howe Bridge:"

    And the LED side would have,
    to just make up an example,
    "10 minutes
    "12 minutes
    "11 minutes"

    Right now (well, a few weeks ago...) the
    illuminted side simply said "testing".

    I've written to both the Ottowa minister
    of highwys (or whatever his title is...)
    and to the bridge authority office in
    the States begging them to activate
    the LEDs and have them display:

    "10 minutes
    "12 minutes
    "six months"

    Got a boiler plate response from the
    bridge folk that they'd consider it.

    Nothing back from the Canadian minister...


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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Thu Jun 19 22:21:14 2025
    In <1031mj1$dnk$1@reader2.panix.com> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> writes:

    [snip]

    I've written to both the Ottowa minister
    of highwys (or whatever his title is...)
    and to the bridge authority office in
    the States begging them to activate
    the LEDs and have them display:

    here's the letter I sent the Canadian minister.
    Afraid I can't attach the image.
    =====
    While traveling across the 401 earlier this month we saw a sign,
    image attached, which will soon be giving delays at the border
    via the bridges (plural!!!) and tunnel between Windsor and Detroit.
    When we saw the "Gordie Howe" listing, we smiled as this was yet
    another indication the bridge will soon be here.

    Well, the current schedule is September, 2025. Which is still a long
    way off, but construction is definitely proceeding.

    Hence, might I make a suggestion which will certainly draw smiles
    from travelers: As soon as the sign is operational, activate it
    with (as example): "via tunnel: 15 minutes".
    "Ambassador Bridge: 20 minutes".
    And finally: "Gordie Howe Bridge: 8 months!: (I'd recommend
    the exclamation point).

    Thank you for your attention. Sincerely,


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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Fri Jun 20 10:40:37 2025
    On 2025-06-19 2:57 p.m., danny burstein wrote:
    In <1031k1k$dvf$3@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    On 2025-06-19 1:21 PM, danny burstein wrote:
    In <1031g9t$dvf$2@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:
    [snip[

    Certain border crossing points are also surprising. Windsor and Detroit >>>> are separated by a river that basically runs north-south so when you
    cross the border on either of the bridges or the tunnel, you are
    travelling east to west when going from Windsor to Detroit, not
    north-south as you would expect.

    "either of the bridges"????? Counting the days until Gordie Howe opens...

    My mistake, I thought the Gordie Howe bridge had already opened.

    There are a bunch of overhead signs on Canada's (?401?) highway
    approaching Windsor which are a combination of sheet metal on
    the left and LED displays on the right.

    The printed side says (roughly, and in both English
    and French [I'm just doing English])

    "Time to crossings:
    "Tunnel:
    "Ambassador Bridge:
    "Gordie Howe Bridge:"

    And the LED side would have,
    to just make up an example,
    "10 minutes
    "12 minutes
    "11 minutes"

    Right now (well, a few weeks ago...) the
    illuminted side simply said "testing".

    I've written to both the Ottowa minister
    of highwys (or whatever his title is...)
    and to the bridge authority office in
    the States begging them to activate
    the LEDs and have them display:

    Roads and highways are a matter for the provincial government in
    Toronto, not the federal government in Ottawa. Mind you, there must be
    *some* federal involvement in the Gordie Howe bridge since it is a
    border crossing but I doubt it extends to signage....

    You should try writing to the Ministry of Transportation (MTO) in Toronto.

    "10 minutes
    "12 minutes
    "six months"

    I saw a video a few months back showing the final spans of the bridge
    being joined in the middle and assumed from that that it would be a few
    weeks until the bridge was ready to use but it seems I was
    overoptimistic. Apparently, completion is set for September (2025) which traffic projected to begin a bit later in the fall. I can't find any
    more specific dates than that. I'm not sure why they'd wait more than a
    few days to actually operate the bridge after it was complete given that
    it would generate money immediately to start paying for itself.

    Got a boiler plate response from the
    bridge folk that they'd consider it.

    Nothing back from the Canadian minister...

    Our federal civil service has grown by leaps and bounds under the past
    decade of Liberal (mis)management but they still don't do anything
    quickly....


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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Fri Jun 20 10:51:31 2025
    On 2025-06-19 6:21 p.m., danny burstein wrote:
    In <1031mj1$dnk$1@reader2.panix.com> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> writes:

    [snip]

    I've written to both the Ottowa minister
    of highwys (or whatever his title is...)
    and to the bridge authority office in
    the States begging them to activate
    the LEDs and have them display:

    here's the letter I sent the Canadian minister.
    Afraid I can't attach the image.
    =====
    While traveling across the 401 earlier this month we saw a sign,
    image attached, which will soon be giving delays at the border
    via the bridges (plural!!!) and tunnel between Windsor and Detroit.
    When we saw the "Gordie Howe" listing, we smiled as this was yet
    another indication the bridge will soon be here.

    Well, the current schedule is September, 2025. Which is still a long
    way off, but construction is definitely proceeding.

    Hence, might I make a suggestion which will certainly draw smiles
    from travelers: As soon as the sign is operational, activate it
    with (as example): "via tunnel: 15 minutes".
    "Ambassador Bridge: 20 minutes".
    And finally: "Gordie Howe Bridge: 8 months!: (I'd recommend
    the exclamation point).

    Thank you for your attention. Sincerely,


    If our bureaucrats were human, they ought to get a chuckle out of your suggestion. Then again, bureaucrats are rarely human, mostly just
    automatons enforcing their silly policies and I'm sure exhibiting a
    sense of humour is highly discouraged as being "unprofessional". Still,
    I'm giving you an "A" for Effort :-)
    --
    Rhino

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Thu Jun 26 10:59:25 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 10:40:37 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Roads and highways are a matter for the provincial government in
    Toronto, not the federal government in Ottawa. Mind you, there must be
    *some* federal involvement in the Gordie Howe bridge since it is a
    border crossing but I doubt it extends to signage....

    You certain about that? Because once you get into the border portion
    of the 3 border crossings I know in the Vancouver area (not counting
    the airport which is another) all the signs are definitely NOT
    provincial signs.

    My understanding is the main Canadian federal government involvement
    on bridges over international boundaries are financial in the form of
    grants to the provincial highway departments. BC misses out since
    there are no crossings from BC to the US other than roads or ferries.
    (All our crossings are either by road or salt water)

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