• Make It Make Sense

    From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 03:08:53 2025
    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a
    Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation. If I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their own politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city
    streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and then treated like religious icons?

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 17 23:18:39 2025
    On 6/17/2025 11:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation. If
    I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their own politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and then treated like religious icons?

    I'd bet any bias is more about squeaky-wheel avoidance than politics.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Wed Jun 18 03:37:46 2025
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:18:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 11:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a >> Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation. >> If
    I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a
    pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is
    allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their >> own
    politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city
    streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and then >> treated like religious icons?

    I'd bet any bias is more about squeaky-wheel avoidance than politics.

    Well, if that's the goal, I can't imagine how all but calling up the
    Department of Justice and saying, "Sue us!" accomplishes that.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 12:05:17 2025
    On 6/17/2025 11:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:18:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 11:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a >>> Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation.
    If
    I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a >>> pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is >>> allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their >>> own
    politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city >>> streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and then
    treated like religious icons?

    I'd bet any bias is more about squeaky-wheel avoidance than politics.

    Well, if that's the goal, I can't imagine how all but calling up the Department of Justice and saying, "Sue us!" accomplishes that.

    Washington, from three-thousand miles away, may feel easier to ignore
    than one's own pissed-off neighborhood.

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 02:15:59 2025
    BTR1701

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation. If
    I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government
    is allowing some political and social messages but not others based on
    their own politics.

    Heard on the radio and that the city of Windsor Canada (just to the south
    of Detroit) is discussing an ordnance that city government buildings ONLY
    fly the flags of the city of Windsor, the province of Ontario, some kinda Frenchy-Canadian flag and the Canadian national flag.

    Apparently there there are _hundreds_ of requests per year to the city to
    fly this or that flag and of course the people whose requests are denied,
    get all mad and claim racism/homophobia/sexism/botulism, etc and so on.

    It's a pain in the ass and the city don't want to deal with it anymore.

    https://i.postimg.cc/cCqmsFh7/temp-Image-Pl-KL5-G.avif

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 03:14:48 2025
    danny burstein
    Ed Stasiak

    Heard on the radio and that the city of Windsor Canada (just to
    the south of Detroit)

    wait a second. Isn't Canada *north* of the "48 States"?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Windsor_locator%2C_Detroit%2C_2021.svg

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Ed Stasiak on Thu Jun 19 02:23:42 2025
    In <1750299359-1263@newsgrouper.org> Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:

    [snip]

    Heard on the radio and that the city of Windsor Canada (just to the south
    of Detroit)

    wait a second. Isn't Canada *north* of the "48 States"? (Yeah,
    Alaska and Hawaii are outliers).

    Next you'll tell us to get from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean
    via the Panama Canal you head _eastward_....

    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Wed Jun 18 21:36:24 2025
    On 6/18/2025 7:23 PM, danny burstein wrote:
    In <1750299359-1263@newsgrouper.org> Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:

    [snip]

    Heard on the radio and that the city of Windsor Canada (just to the south
    of Detroit)

    wait a second. Isn't Canada *north* of the "48 States"? (Yeah,
    Alaska and Hawaii are outliers).

    Not all of it. Windsor's right across the river from Detroit to the SE.
    Look at map.

    Next you'll tell us to get from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean
    via the Panama Canal you head _eastward_....


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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Ed Stasiak on Thu Jun 19 12:57:01 2025
    On 2025-06-18 10:15 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:

    BTR1701

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation. If
    I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a
    pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government
    is allowing some political and social messages but not others based on
    their own politics.

    Heard on the radio and that the city of Windsor Canada (just to the south
    of Detroit) is discussing an ordnance that city government buildings ONLY
    fly the flags of the city of Windsor, the province of Ontario, some kinda Frenchy-Canadian flag and the Canadian national flag.

    Apparently there there are _hundreds_ of requests per year to the city to
    fly this or that flag and of course the people whose requests are denied,
    get all mad and claim racism/homophobia/sexism/botulism, etc and so on.

    That should be the policy of ALL levels of government. I'm sick and
    tired of government pandering to the various groups that want their
    flags flown. It inevitably has an air of favouritism or endorsement of
    that groups views, whether it be the Rainbow Mafia, the pro-Hamas crowd,
    or whatever. Government should not be seen as favouring one faction or
    another but of serving ALL of its citizens neutrally.

    It's a pain in the ass and the city don't want to deal with it anymore.

    https://i.postimg.cc/cCqmsFh7/temp-Image-Pl-KL5-G.avif


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    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Thu Jun 19 13:10:08 2025
    On 2025-06-18 10:23 PM, danny burstein wrote:
    In <1750299359-1263@newsgrouper.org> Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> writes:

    [snip]

    Heard on the radio and that the city of Windsor Canada (just to the south
    of Detroit)

    wait a second. Isn't Canada *north* of the "48 States"? (Yeah,
    Alaska and Hawaii are outliers).

    Next you'll tell us to get from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean
    via the Panama Canal you head _eastward_....

    There are some anomalies associated with our joint border.

    For example, many Americans think of the border as being essentially the
    49th parallel but that is only true from roughly Winnipeg to the
    Pacific; east of there, the border is somewhat further south, with a
    line roughly down the middle of the Great Lakes being the border in most
    of Ontario. The southernmost point of Ontario (and Canada), Point Pelee,
    is at the same latitude as Northern California.

    Certain border crossing points are also surprising. Windsor and Detroit
    are separated by a river that basically runs north-south so when you
    cross the border on either of the bridges or the tunnel, you are
    travelling east to west when going from Windsor to Detroit, not
    north-south as you would expect.

    The Peace Bridge from Fort Erie, Ontario to Buffalo is essentially the
    same deal. The Niagara River runs north-south at that point so a trip
    from Fort Erie to Buffalo is west to east.

    The Rainbow Bridge from Niagara Falls, Ontario to Buffalo is diagonal so
    it's essentially northwest to southeast.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Thu Jun 19 14:13:59 2025
    On 2025-06-19 1:21 PM, danny burstein wrote:
    In <1031g9t$dvf$2@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    [snip[

    Certain border crossing points are also surprising. Windsor and Detroit
    are separated by a river that basically runs north-south so when you
    cross the border on either of the bridges or the tunnel, you are
    travelling east to west when going from Windsor to Detroit, not
    north-south as you would expect.

    "either of the bridges"????? Counting the days until Gordie Howe opens...



    My mistake, I thought the Gordie Howe bridge had already opened.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Jun 19 17:21:24 2025
    In <1031g9t$dvf$2@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    [snip[

    Certain border crossing points are also surprising. Windsor and Detroit
    are separated by a river that basically runs north-south so when you
    cross the border on either of the bridges or the tunnel, you are
    travelling east to west when going from Windsor to Detroit, not
    north-south as you would expect.

    "either of the bridges"????? Counting the days until Gordie Howe opens...


    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 10:25:26 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:08:53 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a >Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation. If >I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a >pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is >allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their own >politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city >streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and then >treated like religious icons?

    In our municipality all the libraries have a 'pride' crosswalk outside
    their main entrance. The neighboring municipality has one just outside
    city hall.

    Given the state of disrepair of the 'pride' crosswalk near our local
    library it's amazing somebody hasn't brought suit for 'disrespect' -
    apparently the sort of salt used on the roads during icy winter
    conditions is brutal to that kind of road paint.....obviously in late
    June they've had time to repaint it had they chosen to.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Thu Jun 26 10:29:10 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 12:57:01 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:


    Apparently there there are _hundreds_ of requests per year to the city to
    fly this or that flag and of course the people whose requests are denied,
    get all mad and claim racism/homophobia/sexism/botulism, etc and so on.

    That should be the policy of ALL levels of government. I'm sick and
    tired of government pandering to the various groups that want their
    flags flown. It inevitably has an air of favouritism or endorsement of
    that groups views, whether it be the Rainbow Mafia, the pro-Hamas crowd,
    or whatever. Government should not be seen as favouring one faction or >another but of serving ALL of its citizens neutrally.

    Our municipality routinely puts a manger scene on the roof over the
    entry area at city hall and has done for at least 15 years that I know
    of. They also put images from other faiths on the inside windows
    facing the front entrance at the appropriate times of years.

    Haven't heard any public complaints - the decorations inside the
    building are certainly more visible than the manger after dark given
    the lighting.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Thu Jun 26 10:32:07 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 13:10:08 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    For example, many Americans think of the border as being essentially the
    49th parallel but that is only true from roughly Winnipeg to the
    Pacific; east of there, the border is somewhat further south, with a
    line roughly down the middle of the Great Lakes being the border in most
    of Ontario. The southernmost point of Ontario (and Canada), Point Pelee,
    is at the same latitude as Northern California.

    Yup - in fact one of the more surprising pieces of trivia about Canada
    is that a little over 50% of the Canadian population live south of 49N
    - it's NOT a big majority but it's a majority.

    Most of it of course is in the metro Toronto area and immediate
    surroundings. As opposed to folks like me who live roughly 30-40 miles
    N of the 49th out west.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 10:26:27 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 12:05:17 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    Washington, from three-thousand miles away, may feel easier to ignore
    than one's own pissed-off neighborhood.

    You presumably mean Washington state - where specifically?

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Thu Jun 26 14:50:36 2025
    On 6/26/2025 1:26 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 12:05:17 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    Washington, from three-thousand miles away, may feel easier to ignore
    than one's own pissed-off neighborhood.

    You presumably mean Washington state - where specifically?

    DC (i.e., the importuning Federal govt.) is 3k miles from CA.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Jun 26 19:36:00 2025
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:08:53 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation. If
    I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their own politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and then treated like religious icons?


    It's happened again.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1937932161073463297/vid/avc1/1080x1920/6o-22WzrJXx4UGjG.mp4

    Teenagers rip up some rainbow flags. Four are arrested and, according to the Atlanta PD, a manhunt-- yes, you read that right-- is on for the other two.

    My first question is, of course, arrested for what?

    Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989). The Supreme Court ruled that flag desecration is protected speech under the 1st Amendment: "It's both symbolic speech and political speech."

    If it's legal to desecrate the U.S. flag, it's legal to desecrate the flag of the Password People.

    "But wait," the apologists like FPP will say, "It's not legal to destroy something that doesn't belong to you. These kids took those flags off the streetlight poles! That's a crime!"

    While this may be true, it's a crime that's strangely only enforced against people hostile to the 'progressive' Agenda:

    Anti-ICE protester pulls down a U.S. flag from a government pole and burns it: no consequences.

    Teenager pulls down a gay Rainbow Mafia flag from a government pole and rips
    it up: straight to prison.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 17:22:51 2025
    On 6/26/2025 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:08:53 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a
    Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation. >> If
    I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a
    pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is
    allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their own
    politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city
    streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and then >> treated like religious icons?


    It's happened again.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1937932161073463297/vid/avc1/1080x1920/6o-22WzrJXx4UGjG.mp4

    Teenagers rip up some rainbow flags. Four are arrested and, according to the Atlanta PD, a manhunt-- yes, you read that right-- is on for the other two.

    My first question is, of course, arrested for what?

    Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989). The Supreme Court ruled that flag desecration is protected speech under the 1st Amendment: "It's both symbolic speech and political speech."

    If it's legal to desecrate the U.S. flag, it's legal to desecrate the flag of the Password People.

    "But wait," the apologists like FPP will say, "It's not legal to destroy something that doesn't belong to you. These kids took those flags off the streetlight poles! That's a crime!"

    While this may be true, it's a crime that's strangely only enforced against people hostile to the 'progressive' Agenda:

    Anti-ICE protester pulls down a U.S. flag from a government pole and burns it:
    no consequences.

    Teenager pulls down a gay Rainbow Mafia flag from a government pole and rips it up: straight to prison.

    Afaics, FPP is present only in your recall. But, no, it's not legal to
    burn the U.S. flag in a fireworks factory. Your rainbow-burning teen
    would've been charged with a hate crime, not property destruction.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Jun 26 22:33:27 2025
    On Jun 26, 2025 at 2:22:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/26/2025 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:08:53 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a >>> Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation.
    If
    I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a >>> pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is >>> allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their >>> own
    politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city >>> streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and then
    treated like religious icons?

    It's happened again.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1937932161073463297/vid/avc1/1080x1920/6o-22WzrJXx4UGjG.mp4

    Teenagers rip up some rainbow flags. Four are arrested and, according to the
    Atlanta PD, a manhunt-- yes, you read that right-- is on for the other two. >>
    My first question is, of course, arrested for what?

    Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989). The Supreme Court ruled that flag
    desecration is protected speech under the 1st Amendment: "It's both symbolic
    speech and political speech."

    If it's legal to desecrate the U.S. flag, it's legal to desecrate the flag >> of
    the Password People.

    "But wait," the apologists like FPP will say, "It's not legal to destroy
    something that doesn't belong to you. These kids took those flags off the >> streetlight poles! That's a crime!"

    While this may be true, it's a crime that's strangely only enforced against >> people hostile to the 'progressive' Agenda:

    Anti-ICE protester pulls down a U.S. flag from a government pole and burns >> it:
    no consequences.

    Teenager pulls down a gay Rainbow Mafia flag from a government pole and rips
    it up: straight to prison.

    Afaics, FPP is present only in your recall.

    No, I've got a digital archive of all my posts. My newsreader auto-copies
    every post I make into a text document on my computer. That necessarily means
    I have a whole lot of FPP's claims saved as well, quoted in posts in which I responded to him.

    But, no, it's not legal to burn the U.S. flag in a fireworks factory. Your rainbow-burning teen
    would've been charged with a hate crime, not property destruction.

    He can't be charged with only a hate crime. Hate crime is an enhancement to a predicate crime. One has to be charged with a crime first and only then can
    the hate enhancement be applied. But nevertheless, the enhancement is for the speech, the thought, the emotion, therefore speech is being prosecuted. The extra punishment you get over and above what you would get for the theft of
    the flag alone is punishment for your speech, which should not be allowed
    under the 1st Amendment.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 13:59:15 2025
    On 6/26/2025 6:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 26, 2025 at 2:22:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/26/2025 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:08:53 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a
    Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A violation.
    If
    I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk (or a >>>> pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is >>>> allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their
    own
    politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city >>>> streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and then
    treated like religious icons?

    It's happened again.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1937932161073463297/vid/avc1/1080x1920/6o-22WzrJXx4UGjG.mp4

    Teenagers rip up some rainbow flags. Four are arrested and, according to the
    Atlanta PD, a manhunt-- yes, you read that right-- is on for the other two.

    My first question is, of course, arrested for what?

    Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989). The Supreme Court ruled that flag >>> desecration is protected speech under the 1st Amendment: "It's both symbolic
    speech and political speech."

    If it's legal to desecrate the U.S. flag, it's legal to desecrate the flag
    of
    the Password People.

    "But wait," the apologists like FPP will say, "It's not legal to destroy >>> something that doesn't belong to you. These kids took those flags off the >>> streetlight poles! That's a crime!"

    While this may be true, it's a crime that's strangely only enforced against
    people hostile to the 'progressive' Agenda:

    Anti-ICE protester pulls down a U.S. flag from a government pole and burns
    it:
    no consequences.

    Teenager pulls down a gay Rainbow Mafia flag from a government pole and rips
    it up: straight to prison.

    Afaics, FPP is present only in your recall.

    No, I've got a digital archive of all my posts. My newsreader auto-copies every post I make into a text document on my computer. That necessarily means I have a whole lot of FPP's claims saved as well, quoted in posts in which I responded to him.

    But you're speaking as though he were here and speaking for himself.


    But, no, it's not legal to burn the U.S. flag in a fireworks factory. Your >> rainbow-burning teen
    would've been charged with a hate crime, not property destruction.

    He can't be charged with only a hate crime. Hate crime is an enhancement to a predicate crime. One has to be charged with a crime first and only then can the hate enhancement be applied. But nevertheless, the enhancement is for the speech, the thought, the emotion, therefore speech is being prosecuted. The extra punishment you get over and above what you would get for the theft of the flag alone is punishment for your speech, which should not be allowed under the 1st Amendment.

    Well, that "enhancement" structure is twisted logic, imo, but so be it.
    I'm pointing out that the presence of a flag has no bearing on the
    actions we'd (presumably) like to discourage.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Jun 27 21:55:48 2025
    On Jun 27, 2025 at 10:59:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/26/2025 6:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 26, 2025 at 2:22:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 6/26/2025 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:08:53 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote: >>>>
    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a
    Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A
    violation.
    If I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk >>>>> (or a
    pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is
    allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their
    own politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city
    streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and >>>>> then
    treated like religious icons?

    It's happened again.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1937932161073463297/vid/avc1/1080x1920/6o-22WzrJXx4UGjG.mp4

    Teenagers rip up some rainbow flags. Four are arrested and, according >>>> to the
    Atlanta PD, a manhunt-- yes, you read that right-- is on for the other >>>> two.

    My first question is, of course, arrested for what?

    Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989). The Supreme Court ruled that flag
    desecration is protected speech under the 1st Amendment: "It's both >>>> symbolic
    speech and political speech."

    If it's legal to desecrate the U.S. flag, it's legal to desecrate the >>>> flag of
    the Password People.

    "But wait," the apologists like FPP will say, "It's not legal to destroy
    something that doesn't belong to you. These kids took those flags off the
    streetlight poles! That's a crime!"

    While this may be true, it's a crime that's strangely only enforced >>>> against
    people hostile to the 'progressive' Agenda:

    Anti-ICE protester pulls down a U.S. flag from a government pole and >>>> burns it:
    no consequences.

    Teenager pulls down a gay Rainbow Mafia flag from a government pole and >>>> rips
    it up: straight to prison.

    Afaics, FPP is present only in your recall.

    No, I've got a digital archive of all my posts. My newsreader auto-copies >> every post I make into a text document on my computer. That necessarily
    means
    I have a whole lot of FPP's claims saved as well, quoted in posts in which I
    responded to him.

    But you're speaking as though he were here and speaking for himself.

    No, just pointing out arguments that have been used in the past to justify prosecuting some flag-burners but not others.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 18:20:03 2025
    On 6/27/2025 5:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2025 at 10:59:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/26/2025 6:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 26, 2025 at 2:22:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 6/26/2025 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:08:53 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote: >>>>>
    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid mark on a
    Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A >>>>>> violation.
    If I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk
    (or a
    pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is
    allowing some political and social messages but not others based on their
    own politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city
    streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and
    then
    treated like religious icons?

    It's happened again.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1937932161073463297/vid/avc1/1080x1920/6o-22WzrJXx4UGjG.mp4

    Teenagers rip up some rainbow flags. Four are arrested and, according >>>>> to the
    Atlanta PD, a manhunt-- yes, you read that right-- is on for the other
    two.

    My first question is, of course, arrested for what?

    Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989). The Supreme Court ruled that flag
    desecration is protected speech under the 1st Amendment: "It's both >>>>> symbolic
    speech and political speech."

    If it's legal to desecrate the U.S. flag, it's legal to desecrate the >>>>> flag of
    the Password People.

    "But wait," the apologists like FPP will say, "It's not legal to destroy
    something that doesn't belong to you. These kids took those flags off the
    streetlight poles! That's a crime!"

    While this may be true, it's a crime that's strangely only enforced >>>>> against
    people hostile to the 'progressive' Agenda:

    Anti-ICE protester pulls down a U.S. flag from a government pole and >>>>> burns it:
    no consequences.

    Teenager pulls down a gay Rainbow Mafia flag from a government pole and
    rips
    it up: straight to prison.

    Afaics, FPP is present only in your recall.

    No, I've got a digital archive of all my posts. My newsreader auto-copies >>> every post I make into a text document on my computer. That necessarily >>> means
    I have a whole lot of FPP's claims saved as well, quoted in posts in which I
    responded to him.

    But you're speaking as though he were here and speaking for himself.

    No, just pointing out arguments that have been used in the past to justify prosecuting some flag-burners but not others.

    Better, then, to quote rather than paraphrase or extrapolate ...though
    I'm not sure what you think invoking FPP at all adds to the discussion.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Jun 27 22:51:21 2025
    On Jun 27, 2025 at 3:20:03 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/27/2025 5:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2025 at 10:59:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 6/26/2025 6:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 26, 2025 at 2:22:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/26/2025 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:08:53 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid >>>>>>> mark on a
    Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A >>>>>>> violation.
    If I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk
    (or a
    pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is
    allowing some political and social messages but not others based >>>>>>> on their
    own politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city
    streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and
    then
    treated like religious icons?

    It's happened again.



    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1937932161073463297/vid/avc1/1080x1920/6o-22WzrJXx4UGjG.mp4

    Teenagers rip up some rainbow flags. Four are arrested and, according
    to the
    Atlanta PD, a manhunt-- yes, you read that right-- is on for the other
    two.

    My first question is, of course, arrested for what?

    Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989). The Supreme Court ruled that flag
    desecration is protected speech under the 1st Amendment: "It's both >>>>>> symbolic
    speech and political speech."

    If it's legal to desecrate the U.S. flag, it's legal to desecrate the
    flag of
    the Password People.

    "But wait," the apologists like FPP will say, "It's not legal to destroy
    something that doesn't belong to you. These kids took those flags >>>>>> off the
    streetlight poles! That's a crime!"

    While this may be true, it's a crime that's strangely only enforced >>>>>> against
    people hostile to the 'progressive' Agenda:

    Anti-ICE protester pulls down a U.S. flag from a government pole and
    burns it:
    no consequences.

    Teenager pulls down a gay Rainbow Mafia flag from a government pole and
    rips
    it up: straight to prison.

    Afaics, FPP is present only in your recall.

    No, I've got a digital archive of all my posts. My newsreader auto-copies
    every post I make into a text document on my computer. That necessarily >>>> means
    I have a whole lot of FPP's claims saved as well, quoted in posts in >>>> which I
    responded to him.

    But you're speaking as though he were here and speaking for himself.

    No, just pointing out arguments that have been used in the past to justify >> prosecuting some flag-burners but not others.

    Better, then, to quote rather than paraphrase or extrapolate ...though
    I'm not sure what you think invoking FPP at all adds to the discussion.

    Because traditionally when I say, "the Left has said", or "opponents have said", I'm immediately met with demands of "Who exactly says that?"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 28 11:32:26 2025
    On 6/27/2025 6:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2025 at 3:20:03 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/27/2025 5:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2025 at 10:59:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/26/2025 6:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 26, 2025 at 2:22:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 6/26/2025 3:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jun 17, 2025 at 8:08:53 PM PDT, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    https://ibb.co/RknV5xzr

    Misdemeanor charge + $2000 fine

    https://ibb.co/SD6RcDVp

    Man in Rhode Island was arrested after he allegedly made a skid >>>>>>>> mark on a
    Pride Rainbow crosswalk with his car.

    The city allowing a "pride" crosswalk in the first place is a 1A >>>>>>>> violation.
    If I asked for a permit to paint an anti-troon mural in the crosswalk
    (or a
    pro-gun/2A message), I bet they wouldn't give me one. The government is
    allowing some political and social messages but not others based >>>>>>>> on their
    own politics.

    Where are the DOJ lawsuits against rainbow murals being painted on city
    streets (to the exclusion of all other non-'progressive' messages) and
    then
    treated like religious icons?

    It's happened again.



    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1937932161073463297/vid/avc1/1080x1920/6o-22WzrJXx4UGjG.mp4

    Teenagers rip up some rainbow flags. Four are arrested and, according
    to the
    Atlanta PD, a manhunt-- yes, you read that right-- is on for the other
    two.

    My first question is, of course, arrested for what?

    Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989). The Supreme Court ruled that flag
    desecration is protected speech under the 1st Amendment: "It's both
    symbolic
    speech and political speech."

    If it's legal to desecrate the U.S. flag, it's legal to desecrate the
    flag of
    the Password People.

    "But wait," the apologists like FPP will say, "It's not legal to destroy
    something that doesn't belong to you. These kids took those flags >>>>>>> off the
    streetlight poles! That's a crime!"

    While this may be true, it's a crime that's strangely only enforced
    against
    people hostile to the 'progressive' Agenda:

    Anti-ICE protester pulls down a U.S. flag from a government pole and
    burns it:
    no consequences.

    Teenager pulls down a gay Rainbow Mafia flag from a government pole and
    rips
    it up: straight to prison.

    Afaics, FPP is present only in your recall.

    No, I've got a digital archive of all my posts. My newsreader auto-copies
    every post I make into a text document on my computer. That necessarily
    means
    I have a whole lot of FPP's claims saved as well, quoted in posts in >>>>> which I
    responded to him.

    But you're speaking as though he were here and speaking for himself.

    No, just pointing out arguments that have been used in the past to justify
    prosecuting some flag-burners but not others.

    Better, then, to quote rather than paraphrase or extrapolate ...though
    I'm not sure what you think invoking FPP at all adds to the discussion.

    Because traditionally when I say, "the Left has said", or "opponents have said", I'm immediately met with demands of "Who exactly says that?"

    Well, when you put it that way, I suppose FPP might be pleased to become
    a reference point of the sort usually reserved for Bernie, AOC, et al.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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