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  • BATF Folds Completely Over Forced-Reset Triggers

    From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 17 03:16:40 2025
    Awesome news. DOJ has settled the forced-reset trigger cases and agreed that BATF is prohibited by the terms of the settlement agreement from ever again contending that FRTs are a "machine-gun" or otherwise unlawful.


    https://gunrightsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/FRT-Settlement-Agreement-FINAL.pdf

    I may very well go out and buy one of these for my rifle now just because I can.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 17 07:28:29 2025
    On 2025-05-16 11:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Awesome news. DOJ has settled the forced-reset trigger cases and agreed that BATF is prohibited by the terms of the settlement agreement from ever again contending that FRTs are a "machine-gun" or otherwise unlawful.


    https://gunrightsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/FRT-Settlement-Agreement-FINAL.pdf

    I may very well go out and buy one of these for my rifle now just because I can.


    Aren't you worried about bad guys like the Vegas shooter using FRTs as
    de facto machine guns?

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sat May 17 15:15:38 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    2025-05-16 11:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    Awesome news. DOJ has settled the forced-reset trigger cases and agreed that >>BATF is prohibited by the terms of the settlement agreement from ever again >>contending that FRTs are a "machine-gun" or otherwise unlawful.

    https://gunrightsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/FRT-Settlement-Agreement-FINAL.pdf

    I may very well go out and buy one of these for my rifle now just because I >>can.

    Aren't you worried about bad guys like the Vegas shooter using FRTs as
    de facto machine guns?

    Yes. I worry about assholes with guns who have decided to commit mass
    murder. He had brought a lot of rifles with him and plenty of ammunition.
    With or without the mechanism, he was a dangerous guy who made sure he'd
    be in position to kill numerous people. Without the mechanism, the only argument is that different people would have been killed, not that the
    crime would have been prevented.

    He was rich. There were no circumstances in which anybody would have
    questioned him as he prepared to commit the crime.

    Since there's nothing I can do about murderous rich assholes, I'm just
    going to live my life.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat May 17 11:55:30 2025
    On 5/17/2025 11:15 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    2025-05-16 11:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    Awesome news. DOJ has settled the forced-reset trigger cases and agreed that
    BATF is prohibited by the terms of the settlement agreement from ever again >>> contending that FRTs are a "machine-gun" or otherwise unlawful.

    https://gunrightsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/FRT-Settlement-Agreement-FINAL.pdf

    I may very well go out and buy one of these for my rifle now just because I >>> can.

    Aren't you worried about bad guys like the Vegas shooter using FRTs as
    de facto machine guns?

    Yes. I worry about assholes with guns who have decided to commit mass
    murder. He had brought a lot of rifles with him and plenty of ammunition. With or without the mechanism, he was a dangerous guy who made sure he'd
    be in position to kill numerous people. Without the mechanism, the only argument is that different people would have been killed, not that the
    crime would have been prevented.

    "Different" people? Not *fewer* people?


    He was rich. There were no circumstances in which anybody would have questioned him as he prepared to commit the crime.

    Since there's nothing I can do about murderous rich assholes, I'm just
    going to live my life.

    Murderous assholes mean to have a say about that...

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat May 17 17:05:41 2025
    In <100a96q$en8j$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes: [snip... re: the Las Vegas mass murderer]

    He was rich. There were no circumstances in which anybody would have >questioned him as he prepared to commit the crime.

    He *had* been rich. Apparently he was "this close" to moving
    into a cardboard box.. Lots of conflicting stories (and
    no, I'm not going to wast more time. Back when this happened
    one of the Talking Scribes who Should be sent back to kindergarten...
    wrote the first emergency calls were from the smoke detectors
    in the shooter's room alerting the fire department.

    I FOIL'ed Clark Co's fire service, and nope..

    Anyway, that's the extent of my time sink.

    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 17 17:39:37 2025
    On May 17, 2025 at 4:28:29 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-16 11:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Awesome news. DOJ has settled the forced-reset trigger cases and agreed that
    BATF is prohibited by the terms of the settlement agreement from ever again >> contending that FRTs are a "machine-gun" or otherwise unlawful.



    https://gunrightsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/FRT-Settlement-Agreement-FINAL.pdf

    I may very well go out and buy one of these for my rifle now just because I >> can.

    Aren't you worried about bad guys like the Vegas shooter using FRTs as
    de facto machine guns?

    I was more worried that *only* bad guys like the Vegas shooter having FRTs, because, let's face it, if you're planning on committing mass murder,
    violating BATF regulations won't bother you much.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 17 17:42:20 2025
    On May 17, 2025 at 10:05:41 AM PDT, "danny burstein" <dannyb@panix.com>
    wrote:

    In <100a96q$en8j$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes: [snip... re: the Las Vegas mass murderer]

    He was rich. There were no circumstances in which anybody would have
    questioned him as he prepared to commit the crime.

    He *had* been rich. Apparently he was "this close" to moving
    into a cardboard box.. Lots of conflicting stories

    And it's awful weird how still to this day so much of the investigation into him and the shooting remains locked away unreleased to the public. He's dead
    so it's not like there's any trial to prepare for or evidence to preserve or remain confidential so as not to taint a potential jury pool. So why is it being withheld, despite numerous FOIA requests for it?

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sat May 17 23:48:25 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    May 17, 2025 at 10:05:41 AM PDT, danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote: >>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    [snip... re: the Las Vegas mass murderer]

    He was rich. There were no circumstances in which anybody would have >>>questioned him as he prepared to commit the crime.

    He *had* been rich. Apparently he was "this close" to moving
    into a cardboard box.. Lots of conflicting stories

    And it's awful weird how still to this day so much of the investigation into >him and the shooting remains locked away unreleased to the public. He's dead >so it's not like there's any trial to prepare for or evidence to preserve or >remain confidential so as not to taint a potential jury pool. So why is it >being withheld, despite numerous FOIA requests for it?

    I didn't know he was broke, and I didn't know the investigation never
    was released. Thanks to both of you.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sat May 17 23:49:42 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On May 17, 2025 at 4:28:29 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >wrote:

    On 2025-05-16 11:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Awesome news. DOJ has settled the forced-reset trigger cases and agreed that
    BATF is prohibited by the terms of the settlement agreement from ever again
    contending that FRTs are a "machine-gun" or otherwise unlawful.



    https://gunrightsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/FRT-Settlement-Agreement-FINAL.pdf

    I may very well go out and buy one of these for my rifle now just because I
    can.

    Aren't you worried about bad guys like the Vegas shooter using FRTs as
    de facto machine guns?

    I was more worried that *only* bad guys like the Vegas shooter having FRTs, >because, let's face it, if you're planning on committing mass murder, >violating BATF regulations won't bother you much.

    If only there were laws against murder...

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