• [OT] Is Trump ditching Netanyahu?

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 14:06:52 2025
    I have been labouring under the impression that Trump and Netanyahu were
    on good terms and had similar views about what should be done in the
    Middle East in general but this video has me wondering what's gone wrong:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcBdVmKMEtQ [9 minutes]

    It's interesting reading the comments under the video with (apparent)
    leftists expressing enthusiasm about Trump but fearing that their heads
    will explode if they do.

    Maybe the best comment about Trump is the observation that the most
    consistent thing about Trump is his inconsistency.

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    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Fri May 16 18:23:38 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I have been labouring under the impression that Trump and Netanyahu were
    on good terms and had similar views about what should be done in the
    Middle East in general but this video has me wondering what's gone wrong:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcBdVmKMEtQ [9 minutes]

    It's interesting reading the comments under the video with (apparent) >leftists expressing enthusiasm about Trump but fearing that their heads
    will explode if they do.

    Maybe the best comment about Trump is the observation that the most >consistent thing about Trump is his inconsistency.

    Son-in-law Jared Kushner isn't part of the second Trump administration.
    There's no one to speak for the Abraham Accords. The Arab kingdoms that
    sucked up to Trump by signing the accords have noticed that they've
    gotten no attention from Trump in the second administration. He's
    favoring Arab countries that didn't sign them, plus allowed himself to
    be pressured by the Saudis to visit Syria and lift sanctions, getting
    fuck all out of a country that's been in an active and technical state
    of war with Israel since Israel's founding.

    It is my contention that the French demanded that border during the
    Mandatory period to create unnecessary tension. The border cut off the
    Jordan River from its source. The British were fools to agree to it
    without an agreement on joint water development.

    I had no idea Trump called Netanyahu to Washington to humiliate him. I
    heard that on the news yesterday.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Fri May 16 18:38:32 2025
    danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    [snip]

    It is my contention that the French demanded that border during the >>Mandatory period to create unnecessary tension. The border cut off the >>Jordan River from its source. The British were fools to agree to it
    without an agreement on joint water development.

    the threat to divert the headwaters of the Jordan River
    was, while buried in history, a major factor in the 1967
    (aka "The Six Day") war between Israel and a bunch of
    the neighboring Arab states.

    That wasn't the first time that was a possibility either.

    Good heavens. It actually made it into Wikipedia articles on the Hasbani
    River (one of the sources of the Jordan) and the Jordan River.

    This was predictable during the Mandatory period, Fuck the French. It's
    truly incredible how many wars had their proximate cause in the Treaty
    of Versailles.

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri May 16 18:27:33 2025
    In <1007vra$3ses2$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    [snip]

    It is my contention that the French demanded that border during the
    Mandatory period to create unnecessary tension. The border cut off the
    Jordan River from its source. The British were fools to agree to it
    without an agreement on joint water development.

    the threat to divert the headwaters of the Jordan River
    was, while buried in history, a major factor in the 1967
    (aka "The Six Day") war between Israel and a bunch of
    the neighboring Arab states.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri May 16 17:26:02 2025
    On 2025-05-16 2:23 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I have been labouring under the impression that Trump and Netanyahu were
    on good terms and had similar views about what should be done in the
    Middle East in general but this video has me wondering what's gone wrong:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcBdVmKMEtQ [9 minutes]

    It's interesting reading the comments under the video with (apparent)
    leftists expressing enthusiasm about Trump but fearing that their heads
    will explode if they do.

    Maybe the best comment about Trump is the observation that the most
    consistent thing about Trump is his inconsistency.

    Son-in-law Jared Kushner isn't part of the second Trump administration. There's no one to speak for the Abraham Accords. The Arab kingdoms that sucked up to Trump by signing the accords have noticed that they've
    gotten no attention from Trump in the second administration. He's
    favoring Arab countries that didn't sign them, plus allowed himself to
    be pressured by the Saudis to visit Syria and lift sanctions, getting
    fuck all out of a country that's been in an active and technical state
    of war with Israel since Israel's founding.

    Yeah, I really had a problem with lifting sanctions on Syria. The new
    leader of Syria has already done enough to raise doubts about his
    sincerity in promising a multi-cultural country where all will be
    accepted by his slaughter of Alawites along the coast and his threats
    against the Syrian Druze. He should have been required to "walk the
    walk", not just "talk the talk" before getting sanctions relief or,
    failing that, Trump had better be planning to reimpose sanctions very
    quickly once it becomes obvious that the new leader retains an Islamist
    core philosophy that is NOT tolerant of the other cultures in his country.

    It is my contention that the French demanded that border during the
    Mandatory period to create unnecessary tension. The border cut off the
    Jordan River from its source. The British were fools to agree to it
    without an agreement on joint water development.

    I had no idea Trump called Netanyahu to Washington to humiliate him. I
    heard that on the news yesterday.

    I suppose this will become clearer in time. I'm not sure if it will be
    entirely to anyone's liking once we get clarity.

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    Rhino

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