Anti-Semitism is the gift that keeps on giving to Donald Trump!

They're baaaaaaack at Columbia University, this time occupying the
library 5/7/2025, and protesting on the street in front of various
campus buildings.

It's so odd that this doesn't happen in places outside the top 3 media
markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpG2FTH0Ias https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKoJ3WVI0I

As long as Trump can point to this, he'll continue to yank student visas
of people who are NOT causing trouble while patting himself on the back claiming to crack down on anti-Semitism.

In the meantime, the protestors are effectively keeping Hamas in power
which means there's no solution for the starving people of Gaza.

Keeping Hamas in power IS NOT a solution for Palestinians. Getting rid
of them and freeing the hostages -- any that are still alive -- must be
a prerequisite for actual peace.

Both Trump and the protestors are in the wrong.

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On May 8, 2025 at 10:53:12 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Anti-Semitism is the gift that keeps on giving to Donald Trump!

They're baaaaaaack at Columbia University, this time occupying the
library 5/7/2025, and protesting on the street in front of various
campus buildings.

It's so odd that this doesn't happen in places outside the top 3 media markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpG2FTH0Ias https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKoJ3WVI0I

As long as Trump can point to this, he'll continue to yank student visas
of people who are NOT causing trouble while patting himself on the back claiming to crack down on anti-Semitism.

In the meantime, the protestors are effectively keeping Hamas in power
which means there's no solution for the starving people of Gaza.

Keeping Hamas in power IS NOT a solution for Palestinians. Getting rid
of them and freeing the hostages -- any that are still alive -- must be
a prerequisite for actual peace.

Both Trump and the protestors are in the wrong.

Last year, during the height of the college encampment nonsense, I got an assignment from Joanne Kane to engrave a film cue whose entire middle section was an excerpt from Saint-Saen's "Danse Macabre". The handwritten score literally just broke off onto a blank page with the notation "Measures 76-124, Danse Macrabre". So I needed the "Danse Macabre" score in order to produce the finished cue, which Joanne Kane didn't have on hand. They suggested I go to
the music library at UCLA and make a copy of the relevant pages. So that's
what I did.

When I got there, I thankfully found the music library was outside the perimeter of the pro-Hamas encampment, although it was close enough that I could hear all the chanting and the smell the fragrance of tear gas on the morning breeze. The university had canceled all classes, but it was close to finals, so the libraries were still open and I got in, found the score, and
was in the middle of making my copies, when there arose a ruckus of shouting and yelling from the first floor. I looked over the balcony down to the lower stacks and there were a bunch of obese purple-haired women shouting pro-Palestinians slogans and proclaiming the library was being liberated in
the name of the people.

I shrugged and went back to copying.

A few minutes later, a blue-hair with a nose ring, a face full of acne, and wearing a kaffiyeh waddled up to me and told me I had to leave because the library was under the people's control now. I told him not to worry because I was one of the people and I'd be happy to guard it for him. He said no, only their group was allowed in the building and he squared up to me, then grabbed my arm. I twisted out of his grasp, took his wrist in a counter-grip, twisted it 90 degrees, wrenched it and his arm behind his back, kicked his legs out from under him, dropped him face-first to the floor, knelt on his back, and told him he could play his little dress-up games and chant slogans all he
likes but if he ever tried to put his hands on me again, I'd break his arm off and beat him bloody with it.

He started crying.

I let him go and told him to leave me the fuck alone.

He ran away.

I expected him to come back with a bunch of his goons and I honestly didn't know what I was going to do, figured I might get a beating of my own, but no one ever came back, so I finished my copying and left.

Hope they/them's arm ached for weeks after that.

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

On May 8, 2025 at 10:53:12 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Anti-Semitism is the gift that keeps on giving to Donald Trump!

They're baaaaaaack at Columbia University, this time occupying the
library 5/7/2025, and protesting on the street in front of various
campus buildings.

It's so odd that this doesn't happen in places outside the top 3 media
markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpG2FTH0Ias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKoJ3WVI0I

As long as Trump can point to this, he'll continue to yank student visas
of people who are NOT causing trouble while patting himself on the back
claiming to crack down on anti-Semitism.

In the meantime, the protestors are effectively keeping Hamas in power
which means there's no solution for the starving people of Gaza.

Keeping Hamas in power IS NOT a solution for Palestinians. Getting rid
of them and freeing the hostages -- any that are still alive -- must be
a prerequisite for actual peace.

Both Trump and the protestors are in the wrong.

Last year, during the height of the college encampment nonsense, I got an >assignment from Joanne Kane to engrave a film cue whose entire middle section >was an excerpt from Saint-Saen's "Danse Macabre". The handwritten score >literally just broke off onto a blank page with the notation "Measures 76-124, >Danse Macrabre". So I needed the "Danse Macabre" score in order to produce the >finished cue, which Joanne Kane didn't have on hand. They suggested I go to >the music library at UCLA and make a copy of the relevant pages. So that's >what I did.

When I got there, I thankfully found the music library was outside the >perimeter of the pro-Hamas encampment, although it was close enough that I >could hear all the chanting and the smell the fragrance of tear gas on the >morning breeze. The university had canceled all classes, but it was close to >finals, so the libraries were still open and I got in, found the score, and >was in the middle of making my copies, when there arose a ruckus of shouting >and yelling from the first floor. I looked over the balcony down to the lower >stacks and there were a bunch of obese purple-haired women shouting >pro-Palestinians slogans and proclaiming the library was being liberated in >the name of the people.

I shrugged and went back to copying.

A few minutes later, a blue-hair with a nose ring, a face full of acne, and >wearing a kaffiyeh waddled up to me and told me I had to leave because the >library was under the people's control now. I told him not to worry because I >was one of the people and I'd be happy to guard it for him. He said no, only >their group was allowed in the building and he squared up to me, then grabbed >my arm. I twisted out of his grasp, took his wrist in a counter-grip, twisted >it 90 degrees, wrenched it and his arm behind his back, kicked his legs out >from under him, dropped him face-first to the floor, knelt on his back, and >told him he could play his little dress-up games and chant slogans all he >likes but if he ever tried to put his hands on me again, I'd break his arm off >and beat him bloody with it.

He started crying.

I let him go and told him to leave me the fuck alone.

He ran away.

I expected him to come back with a bunch of his goons and I honestly didn't >know what I was going to do, figured I might get a beating of my own, but no >one ever came back, so I finished my copying and left.

Hope they/them's arm ached for weeks after that.

He's lucky you didn't toss him face first over the balcony.

What is this world coming to?

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On 2025-05-08 1:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Anti-Semitism is the gift that keeps on giving to Donald Trump!

They're baaaaaaack at Columbia University, this time occupying the
library 5/7/2025, and protesting on the street in front of various
campus buildings.

It's so odd that this doesn't happen in places outside the top 3 media markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpG2FTH0Ias https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKoJ3WVI0I

As long as Trump can point to this, he'll continue to yank student visas
of people who are NOT causing trouble while patting himself on the back claiming to crack down on anti-Semitism.

In the meantime, the protestors are effectively keeping Hamas in power
which means there's no solution for the starving people of Gaza.

Keeping Hamas in power IS NOT a solution for Palestinians. Getting rid
of them and freeing the hostages -- any that are still alive -- must be
a prerequisite for actual peace.

Both Trump and the protestors are in the wrong.

I don't understand: What would you like Trump to do? Leave the
protesters alone to spew their nonsense?

Also, there's a comment I've seen under various videos that implies that
visa students who aren't causing trouble are not as innocuous as they
might seem: Radical islamists are the snakes in the grass; moderate
Muslims are the grass.

I know that the Koran calls for all Muslims to bring all non-Muslims to
Allah. I *don't* know how seriously "moderate" Muslims still take that
demand of their religion. Do they all secretly believe it and work for
it or is some significant percentage of them happy to practice tolerance
to other religions (and the irreligious)? It's very hard to know what is
in someone's heart.

--
Rhino

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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

2025-05-08 1:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Anti-Semitism is the gift that keeps on giving to Donald Trump!

They're baaaaaaack at Columbia University, this time occupying the
library 5/7/2025, and protesting on the street in front of various
campus buildings.

It's so odd that this doesn't happen in places outside the top 3 media >>markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpG2FTH0Ias >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKoJ3WVI0I

As long as Trump can point to this, he'll continue to yank student visas
of people who are NOT causing trouble while patting himself on the back >>claiming to crack down on anti-Semitism.

In the meantime, the protestors are effectively keeping Hamas in power >>which means there's no solution for the starving people of Gaza.

Keeping Hamas in power IS NOT a solution for Palestinians. Getting rid
of them and freeing the hostages -- any that are still alive -- must be
a prerequisite for actual peace.

Both Trump and the protestors are in the wrong.

I don't understand: What would you like Trump to do? Leave the
protesters alone to spew their nonsense?

Trump has been cancelling student visas for people who are not
criminals, or possibly because of traffic citations. There have been
student visas cancelled for those without arrest records. It's a
violation of due process.

Also, there's a comment I've seen under various videos that implies that
visa students who aren't causing trouble are not as innocuous as they
might seem: Radical islamists are the snakes in the grass; moderate
Muslims are the grass.

Ok. I cannot judge someone on his thoughts but his actions. If they
committed crimes, they can be deported. Otherwise, let them finish their degrees without cancelling their student visas.

I know that the Koran calls for all Muslims to bring all non-Muslims to >Allah. I *don't* know how seriously "moderate" Muslims still take that
demand of their religion. Do they all secretly believe it and work for
it or is some significant percentage of them happy to practice tolerance
to other religions (and the irreligious)? It's very hard to know what is
in someone's heart.

I agree. Nevertheless, unless they commit a public nuisance or an act of discrimination or deny someone free exercise of religion or commit a
crime in doing so, leave them be.

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On May 8, 2025 at 10:53:12 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Anti-Semitism is the gift that keeps on giving to Donald Trump!

They're baaaaaaack at Columbia University, this time occupying the
library 5/7/2025, and protesting on the street in front of various
campus buildings.

It's so odd that this doesn't happen in places outside the top 3 media markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpG2FTH0Ias https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKoJ3WVI0I

As long as Trump can point to this, he'll continue to yank student visas
of people who are NOT causing trouble while patting himself on the back claiming to crack down on anti-Semitism.

In the meantime, the protestors are effectively keeping Hamas in power
which means there's no solution for the starving people of Gaza.

Keeping Hamas in power IS NOT a solution for Palestinians. Getting rid
of them and freeing the hostages -- any that are still alive -- must be
a prerequisite for actual peace.

Both Trump and the protestors are in the wrong.

Palestine protestors are now pleading to be let out of the Columbia University Library, which they invaded earlier, as officials block them from leaving without showing their ID first.

Those who refuse to provide ID are being arrested on the spot.

This is the way.


https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1920230798604582913/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/tiB28A4NZ9ZMDKXu.mp4?tag=12

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

. . .

Palestine protestors are now pleading to be let out of the Columbia >University Library, which they invaded earlier, as officials block them
from leaving without showing their ID first.

Excellent. I guess it's a change from a year ago in which the previous administration just gave them credit for any classes they missed during disruption they were causing.

And Rhino, if any of these trespassers are foreign nationals, I have no objection to cancelling their visas and forcing them to leave the
country. But they need to be put on trial first.

Those who refuse to provide ID are being arrested on the spot.

This is the way.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1920230798604582913/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/tiB28A4NZ9ZMDKXu.mp4?tag=12

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On May 8, 2025 at 2:42:08 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

. . .

Palestine protestors are now pleading to be let out of the Columbia
University Library, which they invaded earlier, as officials block them
from leaving without showing their ID first.

Excellent. I guess it's a change from a year ago in which the previous administration just gave them credit for any classes they missed during disruption they were causing.

Maybe the specter of losing millions in federal dollars for allowing this crap to go on has spurred a change of attitude among the school administration.

And Rhino, if any of these trespassers are foreign nationals, I have no objection to cancelling their visas and forcing them to leave the
country. But they need to be put on trial first.

Those who refuse to provide ID are being arrested on the spot.

This is the way.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1920230798604582913/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/tiB28A4NZ9ZMDKXu.mp4?tag=12

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 8, 2025 at 2:42:08 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

. . .

Palestine protestors are now pleading to be let out of the Columbia >>>University Library, which they invaded earlier, as officials block them >>>from leaving without showing their ID first.

Excellent. I guess it's a change from a year ago in which the previous >>administration just gave them credit for any classes they missed during >>disruption they were causing.

Maybe the specter of losing millions in federal dollars for allowing
this crap to go on has spurred a change of attitude among the school >administration.

As soon as outside pressure is removed, the university administration
will revert to old behwvior and common sense will no longer prevail? I
hope you're wrong about this, but you probably aren't.

. . .

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On 2025-05-08 5:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On May 8, 2025 at 10:53:12 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Anti-Semitism is the gift that keeps on giving to Donald Trump!

They're baaaaaaack at Columbia University, this time occupying the
library 5/7/2025, and protesting on the street in front of various
campus buildings.

It's so odd that this doesn't happen in places outside the top 3 media
markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpG2FTH0Ias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKoJ3WVI0I

As long as Trump can point to this, he'll continue to yank student visas
of people who are NOT causing trouble while patting himself on the back
claiming to crack down on anti-Semitism.

In the meantime, the protestors are effectively keeping Hamas in power
which means there's no solution for the starving people of Gaza.

Keeping Hamas in power IS NOT a solution for Palestinians. Getting rid
of them and freeing the hostages -- any that are still alive -- must be
a prerequisite for actual peace.

Both Trump and the protestors are in the wrong.

Palestine protestors are now pleading to be let out of the Columbia University
Library, which they invaded earlier, as officials block them from leaving without showing their ID first.

Those who refuse to provide ID are being arrested on the spot.

This is the way.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1920230798604582913/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/tiB28A4NZ9ZMDKXu.mp4?tag=12

What ID are they being asked for? Student ID to prove they are a student

at that campus and are entitled to use the library? Or papers to prove
their citizenship with non-Americans getting held inside, presumably so
they can be arrested for trespassing?

--
Rhino

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On 2025-05-08 5:11 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

2025-05-08 1:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Anti-Semitism is the gift that keeps on giving to Donald Trump!

They're baaaaaaack at Columbia University, this time occupying the
library 5/7/2025, and protesting on the street in front of various
campus buildings.

It's so odd that this doesn't happen in places outside the top 3 media
markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpG2FTH0Ias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKoJ3WVI0I

As long as Trump can point to this, he'll continue to yank student visas >>> of people who are NOT causing trouble while patting himself on the back
claiming to crack down on anti-Semitism.

In the meantime, the protestors are effectively keeping Hamas in power
which means there's no solution for the starving people of Gaza.

Keeping Hamas in power IS NOT a solution for Palestinians. Getting rid
of them and freeing the hostages -- any that are still alive -- must be
a prerequisite for actual peace.

Both Trump and the protestors are in the wrong.

I don't understand: What would you like Trump to do? Leave the
protesters alone to spew their nonsense?

Trump has been cancelling student visas for people who are not
criminals, or possibly because of traffic citations. There have been
student visas cancelled for those without arrest records. It's a
violation of due process.

Okay, I'm with you so far.

Also, there's a comment I've seen under various videos that implies that
visa students who aren't causing trouble are not as innocuous as they
might seem: Radical islamists are the snakes in the grass; moderate
Muslims are the grass.

Ok. I cannot judge someone on his thoughts but his actions. If they
committed crimes, they can be deported. Otherwise, let them finish their degrees without cancelling their student visas.

Fair enough. If they are on a student visa, as opposed to being an
illegal immigrant, I'm okay with them getting due process. I'm not so
sure I agree that they're eligible for due process if they're illegal in
the first place.

I know that the Koran calls for all Muslims to bring all non-Muslims to
Allah. I *don't* know how seriously "moderate" Muslims still take that
demand of their religion. Do they all secretly believe it and work for
it or is some significant percentage of them happy to practice tolerance
to other religions (and the irreligious)? It's very hard to know what is
in someone's heart.

I agree. Nevertheless, unless they commit a public nuisance or an act of discrimination or deny someone free exercise of religion or commit a
crime in doing so, leave them be.

Okay.

--
Rhino

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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

On 2025-05-08 5:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On May 8, 2025 at 10:53:12 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Anti-Semitism is the gift that keeps on giving to Donald Trump!

They're baaaaaaack at Columbia University, this time occupying the
library 5/7/2025, and protesting on the street in front of various
campus buildings.

It's so odd that this doesn't happen in places outside the top 3 media
markets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpG2FTH0Ias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKoJ3WVI0I

As long as Trump can point to this, he'll continue to yank student visas >>> of people who are NOT causing trouble while patting himself on the back
claiming to crack down on anti-Semitism.

In the meantime, the protestors are effectively keeping Hamas in power
which means there's no solution for the starving people of Gaza.

Keeping Hamas in power IS NOT a solution for Palestinians. Getting rid
of them and freeing the hostages -- any that are still alive -- must be
a prerequisite for actual peace.

Both Trump and the protestors are in the wrong.

Palestine protestors are now pleading to be let out of the Columbia University
Library, which they invaded earlier, as officials block them from leaving
without showing their ID first.

Those who refuse to provide ID are being arrested on the spot.

This is the way.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1920230798604582913/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/tiB28A4NZ9ZMDKXu.mp4?tag=12

What ID are they being asked for? Student ID to prove they are a student
at that campus and are entitled to use the library? Or papers to prove
their citizenship with non-Americans getting held inside, presumably so
they can be arrested for trespassing?

Student ID, but even students can be arrested for disorderly conduct.

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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

. . .

Fair enough. If they are on a student visa, as opposed to being an
illegal immigrant, I'm okay with them getting due process. I'm not so
sure I agree that they're eligible for due process if they're illegal in
the first place.

Probable cause and due process apply to everybody regardless of
nationality.

There are both criminal and civil violations of the Immigration and
Nationality Act of 1952. I assume criminal violations are heard in
district court but I have no idea. Civil violations are heard in
administrative courts. Even those in civil violation are entitled to due process in these administrative courts, such as it is. It's just that
they may have returned illegally but may still be subject to deportation
or removal orders from the last time they were caught. I have no idea
what circumstances they get another hearing, but they aren't necessarily entitled to a hearing prior to another removal.

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Palestine protestors are now pleading to be let out of the Columbia University >Library, which they invaded earlier, as officials block them from leaving >without showing their ID first.

Those who refuse to provide ID are being arrested on the spot.

This is the way.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1920230798604582913/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/tiB28A4NZ9ZMDKXu.mp4?tag=12

The poor darlings! 65 of them got suspended and the non-students got
trespass warnings. Surely they could have sworn out charges against many
of them.

https://apnews.com/article/columbia-protests-students-suspended-7215bd15abc3edd303b3224f9edbcfd2

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On May 9, 2025 at 8:48:00 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Palestine protestors are now pleading to be let out of the Columbia
University
Library, which they invaded earlier, as officials block them from leaving
without showing their ID first.

Those who refuse to provide ID are being arrested on the spot.

This is the way.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1920230798604582913/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/tiB28A4NZ9ZMDKXu.mp4?tag=12

The poor darlings! 65 of them got suspended and the non-students got
trespass warnings. Surely they could have sworn out charges against many
of them.

https://apnews.com/article/columbia-protests-students-suspended-7215bd15abc3edd303b3224f9edbcfd2

Betcha the rest of them will think twice before pulling that kind of shit again.

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