• Re: Wisconsin Judge Arrested for Obstruction for Helping Illegal Alien

    From NoBody@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 6 07:42:41 2025
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:17:42 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/5/2025 7:32 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 13:59:43 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/4/2025 11:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 16:16:04 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 3:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 3, 2025 at 12:17:54 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 3, 2025 at 10:58:17 AM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 3, 2025 at 8:30:06 AM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 9:43 AM, NoBody wrote:

    You are attempting to draw a distinction with no
    difference. You think that, because she's a judge,
    she can disregard a legal warrant based solely on
    her personal opinion of it.

    Again... she allegedly believed the warrant invalid,
    not as a matter of "personal opinion" but as one of
    fact.

    Again, her personal belief is of no more consequence
    than any other random person on the street. This wasn't
    occurring in her courtroom and was not within her
    jurisdiction as a judge.

    If some random citizen walked up to ICE agents in the
    middle of an operation in their neighborhood and
    demanded to see the warrant (and assuming they showed it
    to humor him), his opinion that it isn't valid would
    make absolutely no difference and have no relevance to
    ICE's actions. They'd just say "Okay, buddy, whatever.
    Now go away or you'll be arrested for obstruction and
    interference."

    This judge is just a random citizen with regard to a
    federal ICE operation. Her status as a state court judge
    gives her no special authority or jurisdiction to
    declare warrants valid or invalid and have that somehow
    affect what ICE is doing. They are free to completely
    ignore her, just as they would that guy I described
    above and if she takes further action to frustrate or
    impede their operation, she goes to jail.

    In this example, I'm ascribing to her "personal belief" no
    more legal authority than I would to yours. The
    (hypothetical) fact is that she *believed* the warrant
    invalid, and acted accordingly, as you would.

    Even if I thought they were operating with bad paper, I
    would no more take active measures to interfere in an ICE
    operation than I would litigate my case on the side of the
    road with a cop during a traffic stop.

    In both instances, I would recognize that issues like the
    validity of warrants and whether I came to a complete stop
    or not are matters for a court to decide, not for me to take
    into my own hands at the scene.

    But if, for whatever reason, considerable damage would be done
    by a successful apprehension, you might be more stinting in
    your cooperation.

    Which is not what we're talking about here. This judge wasn't
    asked for her cooperation and she wasn't arrested because she
    refused to give it. She took proactive measures to obstruct and
    interfere. That's what put her in handcuffs.

    She sent them out a "side door", which wasn't illegal, per se.

    Uh yeah it is.

    Uh, there's a *law* that says she can't send someone out that door?

    Please show sentience by citing it...

    Tell us what she was arrested for. You already know the answer. Your
    continuing evasion of reality is humorous at best.

    Well???




    Wow.


    Now, you
    may contend that her *purpose* was obstructive, but afaics that's
    not sufficient to convict her. Moreover, there's a broad
    continuum of ways you might similarly contend were meant to impede
    the agents. E.g., she might have dithered while answering
    questions, or dropped her gavel...

    It was 100% illegal.

    Uh, there's a *law* that says she can't send someone out that door?

    Please show sentience by citing it...> So you're saying her arrest was illegal?

    No, *I'm* saying that using the side door, per se, is obviously legal.

    *You're" saying it isn't ...somehow.

    You're attempting to be clever...and failing.

    Helping a person with a warrant escape is an arrestable offense.
    She got what was deserved.



    What weird version of reality are you living in?

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 6 07:43:48 2025
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:22:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/5/2025 7:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 11:21:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/4/2025 11:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 11:37:09 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 9:45 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 12:04:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/2/2025 7:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:30:49 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/1/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:37:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:46:04 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/28/2025 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actions always speak louder than words. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    And both afford ample opportunity for (mis)interpretation.

    Nothing in her actions can be interpreted as anything other than
    violating the law.

    ...except for failing to honor a bogus warrant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Except, as it turns out, it wasn't bogus. It was an administrative
    warrant,
    which is perfectly sufficient for arresting someone in a public place,
    like
    a
    courthouse. The judge was insisting on a judicial warrant, but
    that's only
    necessary if making entry on private property to effect the arrest
    against
    the
    consent of the owner.

    So it turns out the judge was wrong, either because she's a state court
    judge
    and doesn't have knowledge and expertise on federal law, or, more
    likely,
    she
    was just fucking around and delaying things to give the illegal time to
    escape.

    Ironically, that increases the chance she made an honest mistake.

    An honest mistake wouldn't involve sticking her beak into things that are
    none
    of her business in the first place.

    So, this whole action was all about taking down a known "activist"...

    No, it is about arresting a judge who broke the law by letting an
    accused criminal loose from her court. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Yes. 'Accused' is different from 'convicted', you see...


    Which has NOTHING to do with what I said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    What you said is that an *accused* criminal should be locked up.

    No, he didn't. He said an accused criminal should not be helped to
    escape
    law
    enforcement by a judge who is sworn to uphold the law.

    As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's biases. I.e.,
    he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.

    I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she
    directs me
    to
    a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.

    No, it wouldn't.

    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically.

    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of their
    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her >>>>>>>>>>> disobedience would be inadvertent.

    She doesn't get to rule on the validity of the warrant.

    Duh....

    She didn't issue a ruling. She ignored a supposedly invalid warrant. >>>>>>>>
    So...how did make the termination it was invalid if she didn't issue a >>>>>>>> ruling?

    She consulted her knowledge of the law. We all think we have some. >>>>>>>
    She had no authority to do so and inserted her personal opinion to >>>>>> disregard law.

    We all have the "authority" to disregard an illegal order.

    We do??? Do cite that claim for us won't you.



    >>> You just made a case for her removal from the bench. She makes >>>>> up her
    own law.

    You make up your own conclusions.


    Yes I do and I don't break a law just because I disagree with it.

    It's amazing what you will say to attempt to justify her illegal
    behavior.

    What I will say is that she may have thought the warrant invalid. Any >>>>> discussion proceeds from that point, and not from your presumption of >>>>> premeditation and guilt.


    What she thought was irrelevant since she had no jurisdiction in the
    matter. She was properly arrested and should be removed from the
    bench.

    Amazing you're still attempting to defend her illegal actions.

    What she thought may be relevant to any penalty.


    Laughter. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

    Got it.

    And you can keep it.


    The knowledge that you can't admit you're wrong?
    You wrote that for yourself dude.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to NoBody on Tue May 6 11:43:11 2025
    On 5/6/2025 7:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:22:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/5/2025 7:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 11:21:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/4/2025 11:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 11:37:09 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 9:45 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 12:04:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/2/2025 7:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:30:49 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/1/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:37:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:46:04 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/28/2025 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actions always speak louder than words. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    And both afford ample opportunity for (mis)interpretation.

    Nothing in her actions can be interpreted as anything other than
    violating the law.

    ...except for failing to honor a bogus warrant.

    Except, as it turns out, it wasn't bogus. It was an administrative
    warrant,
    which is perfectly sufficient for arresting someone in a public place,
    like
    a
    courthouse. The judge was insisting on a judicial warrant, but
    that's only
    necessary if making entry on private property to effect the arrest
    against
    the
    consent of the owner.

    So it turns out the judge was wrong, either because she's a state court
    judge
    and doesn't have knowledge and expertise on federal law, or, more
    likely,
    she
    was just fucking around and delaying things to give the illegal time to
    escape.

    Ironically, that increases the chance she made an honest mistake.

    An honest mistake wouldn't involve sticking her beak into things that are
    none
    of her business in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, this whole action was all about taking down a known "activist"...

    No, it is about arresting a judge who broke the law by letting an
    accused criminal loose from her court. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Yes. 'Accused' is different from 'convicted', you see...


    Which has NOTHING to do with what I said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    What you said is that an *accused* criminal should be locked up.

    No, he didn't. He said an accused criminal should not be helped to
    escape
    law
    enforcement by a judge who is sworn to uphold the law.

    As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's biases. I.e.,
    he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.

    I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she
    directs me
    to
    a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.

    No, it wouldn't.

    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically.

    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of their
    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
    disobedience would be inadvertent.

    She doesn't get to rule on the validity of the warrant.

    Duh....

    She didn't issue a ruling. She ignored a supposedly invalid warrant.

    So...how did make the termination it was invalid if she didn't issue a
    ruling?

    She consulted her knowledge of the law. We all think we have some. >>>>>>>>
    She had no authority to do so and inserted her personal opinion to >>>>>>> disregard law.

    We all have the "authority" to disregard an illegal order.

    We do??? Do cite that claim for us won't you.



    >>> You just made a case for her removal from the bench. She makes >>>>>> up her
    own law.

    You make up your own conclusions.


    Yes I do and I don't break a law just because I disagree with it. >>>>>>>
    It's amazing what you will say to attempt to justify her illegal >>>>>>> behavior.

    What I will say is that she may have thought the warrant invalid. Any >>>>>> discussion proceeds from that point, and not from your presumption of >>>>>> premeditation and guilt.


    What she thought was irrelevant since she had no jurisdiction in the >>>>> matter. She was properly arrested and should be removed from the
    bench.

    Amazing you're still attempting to defend her illegal actions.

    What she thought may be relevant to any penalty.


    Laughter. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

    Got it.

    And you can keep it.


    The knowledge that you can't admit you're wrong?

    Wrong about what? Keep it short and exact...


    You wrote that for yourself dude.

    I can't make sense of that.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 8 07:35:12 2025
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 11:43:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/6/2025 7:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:22:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/5/2025 7:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 11:21:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/4/2025 11:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 11:37:09 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 9:45 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 12:04:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/2/2025 7:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:30:49 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/1/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:37:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:46:04 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/28/2025 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actions always speak louder than words. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    And both afford ample opportunity for (mis)interpretation.

    Nothing in her actions can be interpreted as anything other than
    violating the law.

    ...except for failing to honor a bogus warrant.

    Except, as it turns out, it wasn't bogus. It was an administrative
    warrant,
    which is perfectly sufficient for arresting someone in a public place,
    like
    a
    courthouse. The judge was insisting on a judicial warrant, but
    that's only
    necessary if making entry on private property to effect the arrest
    against
    the
    consent of the owner.

    So it turns out the judge was wrong, either because she's a state court
    judge
    and doesn't have knowledge and expertise on federal law, or, more
    likely,
    she
    was just fucking around and delaying things to give the illegal time to
    escape.

    Ironically, that increases the chance she made an honest mistake.

    An honest mistake wouldn't involve sticking her beak into things that are
    none
    of her business in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, this whole action was all about taking down a known "activist"...

    No, it is about arresting a judge who broke the law by letting an
    accused criminal loose from her court. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Yes. 'Accused' is different from 'convicted', you see...


    Which has NOTHING to do with what I said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    What you said is that an *accused* criminal should be locked up.

    No, he didn't. He said an accused criminal should not be helped to
    escape
    law
    enforcement by a judge who is sworn to uphold the law.

    As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's biases. I.e.,
    he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.

    I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she
    directs me
    to
    a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.

    No, it wouldn't.

    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically.

    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of their
    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
    disobedience would be inadvertent.

    She doesn't get to rule on the validity of the warrant. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Duh....

    She didn't issue a ruling. She ignored a supposedly invalid warrant.

    So...how did make the termination it was invalid if she didn't issue a
    ruling?

    She consulted her knowledge of the law. We all think we have some. >>>>>>>>>
    She had no authority to do so and inserted her personal opinion to >>>>>>>> disregard law.

    We all have the "authority" to disregard an illegal order.

    We do??? Do cite that claim for us won't you.



    >>> You just made a case for her removal from the bench. She makes
    up her
    own law.

    You make up your own conclusions.


    Yes I do and I don't break a law just because I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>
    It's amazing what you will say to attempt to justify her illegal >>>>>>>> behavior.

    What I will say is that she may have thought the warrant invalid. Any >>>>>>> discussion proceeds from that point, and not from your presumption of >>>>>>> premeditation and guilt.


    What she thought was irrelevant since she had no jurisdiction in the >>>>>> matter. She was properly arrested and should be removed from the
    bench.

    Amazing you're still attempting to defend her illegal actions.

    What she thought may be relevant to any penalty.


    Laughter. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

    Got it.

    And you can keep it.


    The knowledge that you can't admit you're wrong?

    Wrong about what? Keep it short and exact...


    Go back to the beginning of the thread before you started wandering
    around and excusing a judge breaking the law.


    You wrote that for yourself dude.

    I can't make sense of that.


    Of course you can't. You don't want to.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to NoBody on Thu May 8 12:02:30 2025
    On 5/8/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 11:43:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/6/2025 7:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:22:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/5/2025 7:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 11:21:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/4/2025 11:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 11:37:09 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 9:45 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 12:04:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/2/2025 7:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:30:49 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/1/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:37:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:46:04 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/28/2025 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actions always speak louder than words.

    And both afford ample opportunity for (mis)interpretation.

    Nothing in her actions can be interpreted as anything other than
    violating the law. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    ...except for failing to honor a bogus warrant.

    Except, as it turns out, it wasn't bogus. It was an administrative
    warrant,
    which is perfectly sufficient for arresting someone in a public place,
    like
    a
    courthouse. The judge was insisting on a judicial warrant, but
    that's only
    necessary if making entry on private property to effect the arrest
    against
    the
    consent of the owner.

    So it turns out the judge was wrong, either because she's a state court
    judge
    and doesn't have knowledge and expertise on federal law, or, more
    likely,
    she
    was just fucking around and delaying things to give the illegal time to
    escape.

    Ironically, that increases the chance she made an honest mistake.

    An honest mistake wouldn't involve sticking her beak into things that are
    none
    of her business in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, this whole action was all about taking down a known "activist"...

    No, it is about arresting a judge who broke the law by letting an
    accused criminal loose from her court. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Yes. 'Accused' is different from 'convicted', you see...


    Which has NOTHING to do with what I said.

    What you said is that an *accused* criminal should be locked up.

    No, he didn't. He said an accused criminal should not be helped to
    escape
    law
    enforcement by a judge who is sworn to uphold the law.

    As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's biases. I.e.,
    he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.

    I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she
    directs me
    to
    a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.

    No, it wouldn't.

    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically.

    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of their
    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
    disobedience would be inadvertent.

    She doesn't get to rule on the validity of the warrant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Duh....

    She didn't issue a ruling. She ignored a supposedly invalid warrant.

    So...how did make the termination it was invalid if she didn't issue a
    ruling?

    She consulted her knowledge of the law. We all think we have some. >>>>>>>>>>
    She had no authority to do so and inserted her personal opinion to >>>>>>>>> disregard law.

    We all have the "authority" to disregard an illegal order.

    We do??? Do cite that claim for us won't you.



    >>> You just made a case for her removal from the bench. She makes
    up her
    own law.

    You make up your own conclusions.


    Yes I do and I don't break a law just because I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>>
    It's amazing what you will say to attempt to justify her illegal >>>>>>>>> behavior.

    What I will say is that she may have thought the warrant invalid. Any >>>>>>>> discussion proceeds from that point, and not from your presumption of >>>>>>>> premeditation and guilt.


    What she thought was irrelevant since she had no jurisdiction in the >>>>>>> matter. She was properly arrested and should be removed from the >>>>>>> bench.

    Amazing you're still attempting to defend her illegal actions.

    What she thought may be relevant to any penalty.


    Laughter. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

    Got it.

    And you can keep it.


    The knowledge that you can't admit you're wrong?

    Wrong about what? Keep it short and exact...


    Go back to the beginning of the thread before you started wandering
    around and excusing a judge breaking the law.

    No, especially as it's that easy, *you* back up your claim. And
    remember to Keep it short and exact.


    You wrote that for yourself dude.

    I can't make sense of that.


    Of course you can't. You don't want to.

    No, Kreskin. If I didn't "want to", I'd have ignored it...

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    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 9 07:42:24 2025
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:02:30 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/8/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 11:43:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/6/2025 7:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:22:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/5/2025 7:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 11:21:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/4/2025 11:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 11:37:09 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 9:45 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 12:04:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/2/2025 7:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:30:49 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/1/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:37:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:46:04 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/28/2025 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actions always speak louder than words.

    And both afford ample opportunity for (mis)interpretation.

    Nothing in her actions can be interpreted as anything other than
    violating the law. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    ...except for failing to honor a bogus warrant.

    Except, as it turns out, it wasn't bogus. It was an administrative
    warrant,
    which is perfectly sufficient for arresting someone in a public place,
    like
    a
    courthouse. The judge was insisting on a judicial warrant, but
    that's only
    necessary if making entry on private property to effect the arrest
    against
    the
    consent of the owner. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So it turns out the judge was wrong, either because she's a state court
    judge
    and doesn't have knowledge and expertise on federal law, or, more
    likely,
    she
    was just fucking around and delaying things to give the illegal time to
    escape.

    Ironically, that increases the chance she made an honest mistake.

    An honest mistake wouldn't involve sticking her beak into things that are
    none
    of her business in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, this whole action was all about taking down a known "activist"...

    No, it is about arresting a judge who broke the law by letting an
    accused criminal loose from her court.

    Yes. 'Accused' is different from 'convicted', you see...


    Which has NOTHING to do with what I said.

    What you said is that an *accused* criminal should be locked up.

    No, he didn't. He said an accused criminal should not be helped to
    escape
    law
    enforcement by a judge who is sworn to uphold the law.

    As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's biases. I.e.,
    he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.

    I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she
    directs me
    to
    a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.

    No, it wouldn't.

    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of their
    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
    disobedience would be inadvertent.

    She doesn't get to rule on the validity of the warrant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Duh....

    She didn't issue a ruling. She ignored a supposedly invalid warrant.

    So...how did make the termination it was invalid if she didn't issue a
    ruling?

    She consulted her knowledge of the law. We all think we have some. >>>>>>>>>>>
    She had no authority to do so and inserted her personal opinion to >>>>>>>>>> disregard law.

    We all have the "authority" to disregard an illegal order.

    We do??? Do cite that claim for us won't you.



    >>> You just made a case for her removal from the bench. She makes
    up her
    own law.

    You make up your own conclusions.


    Yes I do and I don't break a law just because I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>>>
    It's amazing what you will say to attempt to justify her illegal >>>>>>>>>> behavior.

    What I will say is that she may have thought the warrant invalid. Any
    discussion proceeds from that point, and not from your presumption of >>>>>>>>> premeditation and guilt.


    What she thought was irrelevant since she had no jurisdiction in the >>>>>>>> matter. She was properly arrested and should be removed from the >>>>>>>> bench.

    Amazing you're still attempting to defend her illegal actions.

    What she thought may be relevant to any penalty.


    Laughter. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

    Got it.

    And you can keep it.


    The knowledge that you can't admit you're wrong?

    Wrong about what? Keep it short and exact...


    Go back to the beginning of the thread before you started wandering
    around and excusing a judge breaking the law.

    No, especially as it's that easy, *you* back up your claim. And
    remember to Keep it short and exact.


    You're so cute when you stomp your feet.

    Laughter.

    Let's try a simple question: do you believe any judge has a LEGAL
    right to ignore a warrant and help an illegal to escape custody?


    You wrote that for yourself dude.

    I can't make sense of that.


    Of course you can't. You don't want to.

    No, Kreskin. If I didn't "want to", I'd have ignored it...


    Which your lack of response is equivalent to.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to NoBody on Fri May 9 11:40:00 2025
    On 5/9/2025 7:42 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:02:30 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/8/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 11:43:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/6/2025 7:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:22:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/5/2025 7:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 11:21:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/4/2025 11:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 11:37:09 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 9:45 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 12:04:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/2/2025 7:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:30:49 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/1/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:37:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:46:04 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/28/2025 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actions always speak louder than words.

    And both afford ample opportunity for (mis)interpretation.

    Nothing in her actions can be interpreted as anything other than
    violating the law. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    ...except for failing to honor a bogus warrant.

    Except, as it turns out, it wasn't bogus. It was an administrative
    warrant,
    which is perfectly sufficient for arresting someone in a public place,
    like
    a
    courthouse. The judge was insisting on a judicial warrant, but
    that's only
    necessary if making entry on private property to effect the arrest
    against
    the
    consent of the owner. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So it turns out the judge was wrong, either because she's a state court
    judge
    and doesn't have knowledge and expertise on federal law, or, more
    likely,
    she
    was just fucking around and delaying things to give the illegal time to
    escape.

    Ironically, that increases the chance she made an honest mistake.

    An honest mistake wouldn't involve sticking her beak into things that are
    none
    of her business in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, this whole action was all about taking down a known "activist"...

    No, it is about arresting a judge who broke the law by letting an
    accused criminal loose from her court.

    Yes. 'Accused' is different from 'convicted', you see...


    Which has NOTHING to do with what I said.

    What you said is that an *accused* criminal should be locked up.

    No, he didn't. He said an accused criminal should not be helped to
    escape
    law
    enforcement by a judge who is sworn to uphold the law.

    As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's biases. I.e.,
    he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.

    I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she
    directs me
    to
    a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.

    No, it wouldn't.

    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of their
    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
    disobedience would be inadvertent.

    She doesn't get to rule on the validity of the warrant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Duh....

    She didn't issue a ruling. She ignored a supposedly invalid warrant.

    So...how did make the termination it was invalid if she didn't issue a
    ruling?

    She consulted her knowledge of the law. We all think we have some.

    She had no authority to do so and inserted her personal opinion to >>>>>>>>>>> disregard law.

    We all have the "authority" to disregard an illegal order.

    We do??? Do cite that claim for us won't you.



    >>> You just made a case for her removal from the bench. She makes
    up her
    own law.

    You make up your own conclusions.


    Yes I do and I don't break a law just because I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>>>>
    It's amazing what you will say to attempt to justify her illegal >>>>>>>>>>> behavior.

    What I will say is that she may have thought the warrant invalid. Any
    discussion proceeds from that point, and not from your presumption of
    premeditation and guilt.


    What she thought was irrelevant since she had no jurisdiction in the >>>>>>>>> matter. She was properly arrested and should be removed from the >>>>>>>>> bench.

    Amazing you're still attempting to defend her illegal actions. >>>>>>>>
    What she thought may be relevant to any penalty.


    Laughter. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

    Got it.

    And you can keep it.


    The knowledge that you can't admit you're wrong?

    Wrong about what? Keep it short and exact...


    Go back to the beginning of the thread before you started wandering
    around and excusing a judge breaking the law.

    No, especially as it's that easy, *you* back up your claim. And
    remember to Keep it short and exact.


    You're so cute when you stomp your feet.

    Laughter.

    Let's try a simple question: do you believe any judge has a LEGAL
    right to ignore a warrant and help an illegal to escape custody?

    Still waiting to hear what I was "wrong" about.

    Remember, short and exact...

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 09:02:28 2025
    On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:40:00 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/9/2025 7:42 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:02:30 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/8/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 11:43:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/6/2025 7:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:22:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/5/2025 7:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 11:21:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/4/2025 11:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 11:37:09 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 9:45 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 12:04:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/2/2025 7:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:30:49 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/1/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:37:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:46:04 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/28/2025 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actions always speak louder than words.

    And both afford ample opportunity for (mis)interpretation.

    Nothing in her actions can be interpreted as anything other than
    violating the law. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    ...except for failing to honor a bogus warrant.

    Except, as it turns out, it wasn't bogus. It was an administrative
    warrant,
    which is perfectly sufficient for arresting someone in a public place,
    like
    a
    courthouse. The judge was insisting on a judicial warrant, but
    that's only
    necessary if making entry on private property to effect the arrest
    against
    the
    consent of the owner. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So it turns out the judge was wrong, either because she's a state court
    judge
    and doesn't have knowledge and expertise on federal law, or, more
    likely,
    she
    was just fucking around and delaying things to give the illegal time to
    escape.

    Ironically, that increases the chance she made an honest mistake.

    An honest mistake wouldn't involve sticking her beak into things that are
    none
    of her business in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, this whole action was all about taking down a known "activist"...

    No, it is about arresting a judge who broke the law by letting an
    accused criminal loose from her court.

    Yes. 'Accused' is different from 'convicted', you see...


    Which has NOTHING to do with what I said.

    What you said is that an *accused* criminal should be locked up.

    No, he didn't. He said an accused criminal should not be helped to
    escape
    law
    enforcement by a judge who is sworn to uphold the law.

    As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's biases. I.e.,
    he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.

    I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she
    directs me
    to
    a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.

    No, it wouldn't.

    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of their
    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
    disobedience would be inadvertent.

    She doesn't get to rule on the validity of the warrant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Duh....

    She didn't issue a ruling. She ignored a supposedly invalid warrant.

    So...how did make the termination it was invalid if she didn't issue a
    ruling?

    She consulted her knowledge of the law. We all think we have some.

    She had no authority to do so and inserted her personal opinion to >>>>>>>>>>>> disregard law.

    We all have the "authority" to disregard an illegal order. >>>>>>>>>>
    We do??? Do cite that claim for us won't you.



    >>> You just made a case for her removal from the bench. She makes
    up her
    own law.

    You make up your own conclusions.


    Yes I do and I don't break a law just because I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    It's amazing what you will say to attempt to justify her illegal >>>>>>>>>>>> behavior.

    What I will say is that she may have thought the warrant invalid. Any
    discussion proceeds from that point, and not from your presumption of
    premeditation and guilt.


    What she thought was irrelevant since she had no jurisdiction in the >>>>>>>>>> matter. She was properly arrested and should be removed from the >>>>>>>>>> bench.

    Amazing you're still attempting to defend her illegal actions. >>>>>>>>>
    What she thought may be relevant to any penalty.


    Laughter. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

    Got it.

    And you can keep it.


    The knowledge that you can't admit you're wrong?

    Wrong about what? Keep it short and exact...


    Go back to the beginning of the thread before you started wandering
    around and excusing a judge breaking the law.

    No, especially as it's that easy, *you* back up your claim. And
    remember to Keep it short and exact.


    You're so cute when you stomp your feet.

    Laughter.

    Let's try a simple question: do you believe any judge has a LEGAL
    right to ignore a warrant and help an illegal to escape custody?

    Still waiting to hear what I was "wrong" about.

    Remember, short and exact...



    Can't answer a short and exact question I see. It goes directly to
    what you are wrong about.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sat May 10 11:20:18 2025
    On 5/10/2025 9:02 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:40:00 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/9/2025 7:42 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:02:30 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/8/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 11:43:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/6/2025 7:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Mon, 5 May 2025 11:22:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/5/2025 7:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 11:21:11 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/4/2025 11:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 3 May 2025 11:37:09 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 9:45 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 2 May 2025 12:04:55 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/2/2025 7:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:30:49 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/1/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:37:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:46:04 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/28/2025 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote:

    Actions always speak louder than words.

    And both afford ample opportunity for (mis)interpretation.

    Nothing in her actions can be interpreted as anything other than
    violating the law. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    ...except for failing to honor a bogus warrant.

    Except, as it turns out, it wasn't bogus. It was an administrative
    warrant,
    which is perfectly sufficient for arresting someone in a public place,
    like
    a
    courthouse. The judge was insisting on a judicial warrant, but
    that's only
    necessary if making entry on private property to effect the arrest
    against
    the
    consent of the owner. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So it turns out the judge was wrong, either because she's a state court
    judge
    and doesn't have knowledge and expertise on federal law, or, more
    likely,
    she
    was just fucking around and delaying things to give the illegal time to
    escape.

    Ironically, that increases the chance she made an honest mistake.

    An honest mistake wouldn't involve sticking her beak into things that are
    none
    of her business in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, this whole action was all about taking down a known "activist"...

    No, it is about arresting a judge who broke the law by letting an
    accused criminal loose from her court.

    Yes. 'Accused' is different from 'convicted', you see...


    Which has NOTHING to do with what I said.

    What you said is that an *accused* criminal should be locked up.

    No, he didn't. He said an accused criminal should not be helped to
    escape
    law
    enforcement by a judge who is sworn to uphold the law.

    As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's biases. I.e.,
    he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.

    I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she
    directs me
    to
    a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.

    No, it wouldn't.

    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of their
    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
    disobedience would be inadvertent.

    She doesn't get to rule on the validity of the warrant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Duh....

    She didn't issue a ruling. She ignored a supposedly invalid warrant.

    So...how did make the termination it was invalid if she didn't issue a
    ruling?

    She consulted her knowledge of the law. We all think we have some.

    She had no authority to do so and inserted her personal opinion to
    disregard law.

    We all have the "authority" to disregard an illegal order. >>>>>>>>>>>
    We do??? Do cite that claim for us won't you.



    >>> You just made a case for her removal from the bench. She makes
    up her
    own law.

    You make up your own conclusions.


    Yes I do and I don't break a law just because I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    It's amazing what you will say to attempt to justify her illegal >>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior.

    What I will say is that she may have thought the warrant invalid. Any
    discussion proceeds from that point, and not from your presumption of
    premeditation and guilt.


    What she thought was irrelevant since she had no jurisdiction in the
    matter. She was properly arrested and should be removed from the >>>>>>>>>>> bench.

    Amazing you're still attempting to defend her illegal actions. >>>>>>>>>>
    What she thought may be relevant to any penalty.


    Laughter. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

    Got it.

    And you can keep it.


    The knowledge that you can't admit you're wrong?

    Wrong about what? Keep it short and exact...


    Go back to the beginning of the thread before you started wandering
    around and excusing a judge breaking the law.

    No, especially as it's that easy, *you* back up your claim. And
    remember to Keep it short and exact.


    You're so cute when you stomp your feet.

    Laughter.

    Let's try a simple question: do you believe any judge has a LEGAL
    right to ignore a warrant and help an illegal to escape custody?

    Still waiting to hear what I was "wrong" about.

    Remember, short and exact...

    Can't answer a short and exact question I see. It goes directly to
    what you are wrong about.

    Forget the smoke. Just say (short and exact) what I was wrong about.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to NoBody@nowhere.com on Mon May 12 04:30:45 2025
    NoBody@nowhere.com wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 5/9/2025 7:42 AM, NoBody wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 5/8/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 5/6/2025 7:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 5/5/2025 7:33 AM, NoBody wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 5/4/2025 11:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 5/3/2025 9:45 AM, NoBody wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 5/2/2025 7:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 5/1/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 wrote:
    "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "moviePig" nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2025 7:35 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:

    Actions always speak louder than words. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    And both afford ample opportunity for (mis)interpretation.

    Nothing in her actions can be interpreted as anything other than
    violating the law.

    ...except for failing to honor a bogus warrant.

    Except, as it turns out, it wasn't bogus. It was an administrative warrant,
    which is perfectly sufficient for arresting someone in a public place, like a
    courthouse. The judge was insisting on a judicial warrant, but that's only
    necessary if making entry on private property to effect the arrest against the
    consent of the owner.

    So it turns out the judge was wrong, either because she's a state court judge
    and doesn't have knowledge and expertise on federal law, or, more likely, she
    was just fucking around and delaying things to give the illegal time to
    escape.

    Ironically, that increases the chance she made an honest mistake.

    An honest mistake wouldn't involve sticking her beak into things that are none
    of her business in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, this whole action was all about taking down a known "activist"...

    No, it is about arresting a judge who broke the law by letting an
    accused criminal loose from her court. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Yes. 'Accused' is different from 'convicted', you see...

    Which has NOTHING to do with what I said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    What you said is that an *accused* criminal should be locked up.

    No, he didn't. He said an accused criminal should not be helped to escape law
    enforcement by a judge who is sworn to uphold the law.

    As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's biases. I.e.,
    he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be.

    I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she directs me to
    a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*.

    No, it wouldn't.

    Sure it would, if not legally then ethically. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both
    recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of their
    higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her
    disobedience would be inadvertent.

    She doesn't get to rule on the validity of the warrant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Duh....

    She didn't issue a ruling. She ignored a supposedly invalid warrant.

    So...how did make the termination it was invalid if she didn't issue a
    ruling?

    She consulted her knowledge of the law. We all think we have some.

    She had no authority to do so and inserted her personal opinion to
    disregard law.

    We all have the "authority" to disregard an illegal order. >>>>>>>>>>>
    We do??? Do cite that claim for us won't you.



    >>> You just made a case for her removal from the bench. She makes
    up her
    own law.

    You make up your own conclusions.


    Yes I do and I don't break a law just because I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    It's amazing what you will say to attempt to justify her illegal >>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior.

    What I will say is that she may have thought the warrant invalid. Any
    discussion proceeds from that point, and not from your presumption of
    premeditation and guilt.


    What she thought was irrelevant since she had no jurisdiction in the
    matter. She was properly arrested and should be removed from the >>>>>>>>>>> bench.

    Amazing you're still attempting to defend her illegal actions. >>>>>>>>>>
    What she thought may be relevant to any penalty.


    Laughter. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

    Got it.

    And you can keep it.


    The knowledge that you can't admit you're wrong?

    Wrong about what? Keep it short and exact...


    Go back to the beginning of the thread before you started wandering
    around and excusing a judge breaking the law.

    No, especially as it's that easy, *you* back up your claim. And
    remember to Keep it short and exact.


    You're so cute when you stomp your feet.

    Laughter.

    Let's try a simple question: do you believe any judge has a LEGAL
    right to ignore a warrant and help an illegal to escape custody?

    Still waiting to hear what I was "wrong" about.
    Remember, short and exact...


    Can't answer a short and exact question I see. It goes directly to
    what you are wrong about.

    That's how you know moviepig has lost another debate -- hasn't everyone figured that out by now?

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