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On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the >>>>>>>> sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim >>>>>>>> is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of >>>>>>>> story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading.
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of >>>>>> rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes >>>>> the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction. >>>>>
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when
they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for
rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant.
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without
doing his homework?
But he chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible.
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the >>>>>>>>> sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim >>>>>>>>> is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of >>>>>>>>> story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading.
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of >>>>>>> rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes >>>>>> the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction. >>>>>>
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when >>>>> they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for
rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant.
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without
doing his homework?
But he chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible.
Which is certainly something an objective, unbiased journalist would do...
On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the >>>>>>>> sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim >>>>>>>> is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of >>>>>>>> story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading.
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of >>>>>> rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes >>>>> the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction. >>>>>
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when
they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for
rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant.
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without
doing his homework?
No, as I understand it, his homework was even done *for* him. But he
chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible. It's unclear what
verdict a full reckoning -- i.e., no "settlement" -- would've given.
On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:From your cited article:
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"ôDonald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,ö Stephonopoulos said on ABCÆs This Week at the time.
ôItÆs been affirmed by a judge.ö
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that CarrollÆs
failure to ôprove that she was ærapedÆ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
ærapedÆ her as many people commonly understand the word ærape.Æö
ôIndeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,ö US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty.
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging >>>>>>>> in technicalities.
It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction. >>>>>>>
Laughter.
Go ahead and explain it for us.
We think you don't really want an explanation.
It's your claim. If you can't explain it, then we all understand that >>>> you're lying.
We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one. >>>
Non-response is noted.
Please try again.
Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
NY law says that only penile insertion is rape. E.g., across the river,
NJ disagrees. And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so
that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner
Louima with a broom handle...
On 12/23/2024 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:23:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:43:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:12:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:42:58 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:53:45 -0500, EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:31:32 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased >>>>>>>>>> organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said >>>>>>>>> something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the >>>>>>>>> official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the >>>>>>>> interview. Way to go Boy George.
No, he was verbally (albeit indirectly) attacking a rapist.
Did you see the interview? He was extremely aggressive towards her. >>>>>> Disgraceful behavior.
I agree. He was extremely aggressive towards her disgraceful behavior. >>>>>
What disgraceful bbehavior did she exhibit?
She stonewalled his question by chanting a baseless accusation.
What "baseless accusation"?
You have this completely backwards.
Well, "backwards" is certainly what she was going for. She tried to
turn his question ("How can a rapee support a rapist?") into shaming
raped women for their "political choices". I can't even begin...
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:43:15 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the >>>>>>>>> sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim >>>>>>>>> is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of >>>>>>>>> story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading.
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of >>>>>>> rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes >>>>>> the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction. >>>>>>
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when >>>>> they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for
rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant.
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without
doing his homework?
No, as I understand it, his homework was even done *for* him. But he
chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible. It's unclear what
verdict a full reckoning -- i.e., no "settlement" -- would've given.
To state that he was convicted of rape is not a description. It's a
claim of fact, which is why ABC is paying big bucks.
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:48:57 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:Look at you blaming the (literal) victim.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:23:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:43:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:12:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:42:58 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:53:45 -0500, EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:31:32 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said >>>>>>>>>> something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the >>>>>>>>>> official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the >>>>>>>>> interview. Way to go Boy George.
No, he was verbally (albeit indirectly) attacking a rapist.
Did you see the interview? He was extremely aggressive towards her. >>>>>>> Disgraceful behavior.
I agree. He was extremely aggressive towards her disgraceful behavior. >>>>>>
What disgraceful bbehavior did she exhibit?
She stonewalled his question by chanting a baseless accusation.
What "baseless accusation"?
You have this completely backwards.
Well, "backwards" is certainly what she was going for. She tried to
turn his question ("How can a rapee support a rapist?") into shaming
raped women for their "political choices". I can't even begin...
You're pathetic.
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:From your cited article:
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty.
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging >>>>>>>>> in technicalities.
It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction. >>>>>>>>
Laughter.
Go ahead and explain it for us.
We think you don't really want an explanation.
It's your claim. If you can't explain it, then we all understand that >>>>> you're lying.
We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one. >>>>
Non-response is noted.
Please try again.
Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
NY law says that only penile insertion is rape. E.g., across the river,
NJ disagrees. And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so
that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner
Louima with a broom handle...
And Trump was found not guilty of rape. Do you think it's fine for a journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
On 12/24/2024 7:37 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:48:57 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:Look at you blaming the (literal) victim.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:23:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:43:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:12:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:42:58 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:53:45 -0500, EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:31:32 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said >>>>>>>>>>> something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the >>>>>>>>>>> official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the >>>>>>>>>> interview. Way to go Boy George.
No, he was verbally (albeit indirectly) attacking a rapist.
Did you see the interview? He was extremely aggressive towards her. >>>>>>>> Disgraceful behavior.
I agree. He was extremely aggressive towards her disgraceful behavior. >>>>>>>
What disgraceful bbehavior did she exhibit?
She stonewalled his question by chanting a baseless accusation.
What "baseless accusation"?
You have this completely backwards.
Well, "backwards" is certainly what she was going for. She tried to
turn his question ("How can a rapee support a rapist?") into shaming
raped women for their "political choices". I can't even begin...
You're pathetic.
Yes, you parrot her faithfully.
On 12/24/2024 7:36 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:43:15 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the >>>>>>>>>> sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim
is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of >>>>>>>>>> story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading.
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of >>>>>>>> rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes >>>>>>> the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction. >>>>>>>
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when >>>>>> they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for >>>>> rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant.
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without
doing his homework?
No, as I understand it, his homework was even done *for* him. But he
chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible. It's unclear what
verdict a full reckoning -- i.e., no "settlement" -- would've given.
To state that he was convicted of rape is not a description. It's a
claim of fact, which is why ABC is paying big bucks.
Again, he said "found *liable* for rape", not "convicted". And, again,
it's unclear whether that difference might've borne out as important.
On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
wrote:
On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From your cited article:
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"ôDonald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,ö Stephonopoulos said on ABCÆs This Week at the time.
ôItÆs been affirmed by a judge.ö
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that CarrollÆs
failure to ôprove that she was ærapedÆ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
ærapedÆ her as many people commonly understand the word ærape.Æö
ôIndeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,ö US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty.
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
in technicalities.
It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction. >>>>>>>>>
Laughter.
Go ahead and explain it for us.
We think you don't really want an explanation.
It's your claim. If you can't explain it, then we all understand that >>>>>> you're lying.
We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one. >>>>>
Non-response is noted.
Please try again.
Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
NY law says that only penile insertion is rape. E.g., across the river, >>> NJ disagrees. And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so
that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner
Louima with a broom handle...
And Trump was found not guilty of rape. Do you think it's fine for a
journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere.
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:51:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:37 AM, NoBody wrote:Your evasion is noted and is your admission that you've lost the
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:48:57 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:Look at you blaming the (literal) victim.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:23:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:43:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:12:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:42:58 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:53:45 -0500, EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:31:32 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said >>>>>>>>>>>> something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the
official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the >>>>>>>>>>> interview. Way to go Boy George.
No, he was verbally (albeit indirectly) attacking a rapist. >>>>>>>>>>
Did you see the interview? He was extremely aggressive towards her. >>>>>>>>> Disgraceful behavior.
I agree. He was extremely aggressive towards her disgraceful behavior.
What disgraceful bbehavior did she exhibit?
She stonewalled his question by chanting a baseless accusation.
What "baseless accusation"?
You have this completely backwards.
Well, "backwards" is certainly what she was going for. She tried to
turn his question ("How can a rapee support a rapist?") into shaming
raped women for their "political choices". I can't even begin...
You're pathetic.
Yes, you parrot her faithfully.
discussion.
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:49:20 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:36 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:43:15 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the >>>>>>>>>>> sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim
is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of >>>>>>>>>>> story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading.
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of
rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes >>>>>>>> the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction. >>>>>>>>
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when >>>>>>> they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for >>>>>> rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant.
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without
doing his homework?
No, as I understand it, his homework was even done *for* him. But he
chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible. It's unclear what
verdict a full reckoning -- i.e., no "settlement" -- would've given.
To state that he was convicted of rape is not a description. It's a
claim of fact, which is why ABC is paying big bucks.
Again, he said "found *liable* for rape", not "convicted". And, again,
it's unclear whether that difference might've borne out as important.
He was not convicted nor "iiable" for rape. The judge in the civil
case was wrong on the law as much as you are. It's a shame you can't
sue judges cause that would be fantastic.
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
wrote:
On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From your cited article:
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty.
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
in technicalities.
It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction. >>>>>>>>>>
Laughter.
Go ahead and explain it for us.
We think you don't really want an explanation.
It's your claim. If you can't explain it, then we all understand that >>>>>>> you're lying.
We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one. >>>>>>
Non-response is noted.
Please try again.
Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
NY law says that only penile insertion is rape. E.g., across the river, >>>> NJ disagrees. And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so >>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner >>>> Louima with a broom handle...
And Trump was found not guilty of rape. Do you think it's fine for a
journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere.
Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
They found him not guilty of rape.
Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
Trump sued.
ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.
You lose.
Laughter.
On 12/25/2024 11:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
wrote:
On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From your cited article:
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"ôDonald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,ö Stephonopoulos said on ABCÆs This Week at the time.
ôItÆs been affirmed by a judge.ö
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that CarrollÆs
failure to ôprove that she was ærapedÆ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
ærapedÆ her as many people commonly understand the word ærape.Æö
ôIndeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,ö US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
in technicalities.
It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction. >>>>>>>>>>>
Laughter.
Go ahead and explain it for us.
We think you don't really want an explanation.
It's your claim. If you can't explain it, then we all understand that >>>>>>>> you're lying.
We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
Non-response is noted.
Please try again.
Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
NY law says that only penile insertion is rape. E.g., across the river, >>>>> NJ disagrees. And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so >>>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner >>>>> Louima with a broom handle...
And Trump was found not guilty of rape. Do you think it's fine for a
journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere.
Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
They found him not guilty of rape.
Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
Trump sued.
ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.
You lose.
Laughter.
Well, laughter is certainly appropriate here. Just not yours...
On 12/25/2024 11:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:51:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:37 AM, NoBody wrote:Your evasion is noted and is your admission that you've lost the
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:48:57 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:Look at you blaming the (literal) victim.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:23:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:43:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:12:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:42:58 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:53:45 -0500, EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:31:32 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said >>>>>>>>>>>>> something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the
official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the
interview. Way to go Boy George.
No, he was verbally (albeit indirectly) attacking a rapist. >>>>>>>>>>>
Did you see the interview? He was extremely aggressive towards her. >>>>>>>>>> Disgraceful behavior.
I agree. He was extremely aggressive towards her disgraceful behavior.
What disgraceful bbehavior did she exhibit?
She stonewalled his question by chanting a baseless accusation.
What "baseless accusation"?
You have this completely backwards.
Well, "backwards" is certainly what she was going for. She tried to >>>>> turn his question ("How can a rapee support a rapist?") into shaming >>>>> raped women for their "political choices". I can't even begin...
You're pathetic.
Yes, you parrot her faithfully.
discussion.
If I had nickel for every self-declared "victor"...
On 12/25/2024 11:32 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:49:20 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:36 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:43:15 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the >>>>>>>>>>>> sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim
is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of >>>>>>>>>>>> story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading.
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of
rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes
the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction. >>>>>>>>>
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when >>>>>>>> they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for >>>>>>> rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant. >>>>>>>
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without >>>>>> doing his homework?
No, as I understand it, his homework was even done *for* him. But he >>>>> chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible. It's unclear what
verdict a full reckoning -- i.e., no "settlement" -- would've given. >>>>>
To state that he was convicted of rape is not a description. It's a
claim of fact, which is why ABC is paying big bucks.
Again, he said "found *liable* for rape", not "convicted". And, again,
it's unclear whether that difference might've borne out as important.
He was not convicted nor "iiable" for rape. The judge in the civil
case was wrong on the law as much as you are. It's a shame you can't
sue judges cause that would be fantastic.
Afaik, there's no definitive meaning of "found liable for rape".
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:27:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:32 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:49:20 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:36 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:43:15 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the >>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim
is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of
story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading.
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of
rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes
the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction.
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when >>>>>>>>> they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for >>>>>>>> rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant. >>>>>>>>
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without >>>>>>> doing his homework?
No, as I understand it, his homework was even done *for* him. But he >>>>>> chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible. It's unclear what >>>>>> verdict a full reckoning -- i.e., no "settlement" -- would've given. >>>>>>
To state that he was convicted of rape is not a description. It's a >>>>> claim of fact, which is why ABC is paying big bucks.
Again, he said "found *liable* for rape", not "convicted". And, again, >>>> it's unclear whether that difference might've borne out as important.
He was not convicted nor "iiable" for rape. The judge in the civil
case was wrong on the law as much as you are. It's a shame you can't
sue judges cause that would be fantastic.
Afaik, there's no definitive meaning of "found liable for rape".
Obviously ABC knew what that meant because they settled REALLY
quickly. Liable has a specific legal definition. You're welcome to
find any legal reference where Trump was found legally liable for
rape.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:31:38 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:51:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:37 AM, NoBody wrote:Your evasion is noted and is your admission that you've lost the
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:48:57 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:Look at you blaming the (literal) victim.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:23:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:43:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:12:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:42:58 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:53:45 -0500, EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:31:32 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the
official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the
interview. Way to go Boy George.
No, he was verbally (albeit indirectly) attacking a rapist. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Did you see the interview? He was extremely aggressive towards her.
Disgraceful behavior.
I agree. He was extremely aggressive towards her disgraceful behavior.
What disgraceful bbehavior did she exhibit?
She stonewalled his question by chanting a baseless accusation. >>>>>>>>
What "baseless accusation"?
You have this completely backwards.
Well, "backwards" is certainly what she was going for. She tried to >>>>>> turn his question ("How can a rapee support a rapist?") into shaming >>>>>> raped women for their "political choices". I can't even begin...
You're pathetic.
Yes, you parrot her faithfully.
discussion.
If I had nickel for every self-declared "victor"...
You make a claim and are completely unable to either defend it or have
a reasonable explanation for your position. This is the very
definition of "loss". You did it to yourself.
Deal with it.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:34:39 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
wrote:
On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From your cited article:
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
in technicalities.
It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Laughter.
Go ahead and explain it for us.
We think you don't really want an explanation.
It's your claim. If you can't explain it, then we all understand that
you're lying.
We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
Non-response is noted.
Please try again.
Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
NY law says that only penile insertion is rape. E.g., across the river, >>>>>> NJ disagrees. And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so >>>>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner >>>>>> Louima with a broom handle...
And Trump was found not guilty of rape. Do you think it's fine for a >>>>> journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere. >>>>
Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
They found him not guilty of rape.
Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
Trump sued.
ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.
You lose.
Laughter.
Well, laughter is certainly appropriate here. Just not yours...
Weak response on your part noted.
You don't seem to do well with facts, do you?
On 12/26/2024 10:16 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:27:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:32 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:49:20 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:36 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:43:15 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim
is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of
story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of
rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes
the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction.
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when >>>>>>>>>> they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for >>>>>>>>> rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant. >>>>>>>>>
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without >>>>>>>> doing his homework?
No, as I understand it, his homework was even done *for* him. But he >>>>>>> chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible. It's unclear what >>>>>>> verdict a full reckoning -- i.e., no "settlement" -- would've given. >>>>>>>
To state that he was convicted of rape is not a description. It's a >>>>>> claim of fact, which is why ABC is paying big bucks.
Again, he said "found *liable* for rape", not "convicted". And, again, >>>>> it's unclear whether that difference might've borne out as important. >>>>>
He was not convicted nor "iiable" for rape. The judge in the civil
case was wrong on the law as much as you are. It's a shame you can't
sue judges cause that would be fantastic.
Afaik, there's no definitive meaning of "found liable for rape".
Obviously ABC knew what that meant because they settled REALLY
quickly. Liable has a specific legal definition. You're welcome to
find any legal reference where Trump was found legally liable for
rape.
Nothing about a settlement is obvious, except to an "expert".
On 12/26/2024 10:17 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:31:38 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:51:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:37 AM, NoBody wrote:Your evasion is noted and is your admission that you've lost the
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:48:57 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:Look at you blaming the (literal) victim.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:23:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:43:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:12:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:42:58 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:53:45 -0500, EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:31:32 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the
official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the
interview. Way to go Boy George.
No, he was verbally (albeit indirectly) attacking a rapist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Did you see the interview? He was extremely aggressive towards her.
Disgraceful behavior.
I agree. He was extremely aggressive towards her disgraceful behavior.
What disgraceful bbehavior did she exhibit?
She stonewalled his question by chanting a baseless accusation. >>>>>>>>>
What "baseless accusation"?
You have this completely backwards.
Well, "backwards" is certainly what she was going for. She tried to >>>>>>> turn his question ("How can a rapee support a rapist?") into shaming >>>>>>> raped women for their "political choices". I can't even begin... >>>>>>>
You're pathetic.
Yes, you parrot her faithfully.
discussion.
If I had nickel for every self-declared "victor"...
You make a claim and are completely unable to either defend it or have
a reasonable explanation for your position. This is the very
definition of "loss". You did it to yourself.
Deal with it.
Okay... what did I blame on a "literal victim"? What did George? Think >carefully, now...
On 12/26/2024 10:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:34:39 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
wrote:
On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From your cited article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"ôDonald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,ö Stephonopoulos said on ABCÆs This Week at the time.
ôItÆs been affirmed by a judge.ö
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that CarrollÆs
failure to ôprove that she was ærapedÆ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
ærapedÆ her as many people commonly understand the word ærape.Æö
ôIndeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,ö US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
in technicalities.
It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Laughter.
Go ahead and explain it for us.
We think you don't really want an explanation.
It's your claim. If you can't explain it, then we all understand that
you're lying.
We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
Non-response is noted.
Please try again.
Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
NY law says that only penile insertion is rape. E.g., across the river,
NJ disagrees. And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so >>>>>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner >>>>>>> Louima with a broom handle...
And Trump was found not guilty of rape. Do you think it's fine for a >>>>>> journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere. >>>>>
Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
They found him not guilty of rape.
Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
Trump sued.
ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.
You lose.
Laughter.
Well, laughter is certainly appropriate here. Just not yours...
Weak response on your part noted.
You don't seem to do well with facts, do you?
Not nearly so well as you do with "notes"...
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:06:05 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/26/2024 10:17 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:31:38 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:51:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:37 AM, NoBody wrote:Your evasion is noted and is your admission that you've lost the
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:48:57 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:Look at you blaming the (literal) victim.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:23:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:43:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:12:54 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:42:58 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:53:45 -0500, EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:31:32 -0500, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the
official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the
interview. Way to go Boy George.
No, he was verbally (albeit indirectly) attacking a rapist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Did you see the interview? He was extremely aggressive towards her.
Disgraceful behavior.
I agree. He was extremely aggressive towards her disgraceful behavior.
What disgraceful bbehavior did she exhibit?
She stonewalled his question by chanting a baseless accusation. >>>>>>>>>>
What "baseless accusation"?
You have this completely backwards.
Well, "backwards" is certainly what she was going for. She tried to >>>>>>>> turn his question ("How can a rapee support a rapist?") into shaming >>>>>>>> raped women for their "political choices". I can't even begin... >>>>>>>>
You're pathetic.
Yes, you parrot her faithfully.
discussion.
If I had nickel for every self-declared "victor"...
You make a claim and are completely unable to either defend it or have
a reasonable explanation for your position. This is the very
definition of "loss". You did it to yourself.
Deal with it.
Okay... what did I blame on a "literal victim"? What did George? Think
carefully, now...
Perhaps you need to review the video of the interview before
commenting further. Agressively interviewing a rape victim using a
false claim as the basis of the discussion is "blaming the victim".
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 11:59:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/26/2024 10:16 AM, NoBody wrote:Laughter. Non-response noted.
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:27:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:32 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:49:20 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:36 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:43:15 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:24 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:20:30 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:26 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:28:18 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:21 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:10:29 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 6:59 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:19:59 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the
sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim
is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of
story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You're welcome to explain it us how a jury finding Trump not guilty of
rape makes him guilty of it.
Laugher.
There's legal guilt, and then there's understood guilt. Trump escapes
the former only by a specific distinction in a specific jurisdiction.
Good grief. You can't state that someone was convicted of rape when
they weren't. That's libel.
Yes, if you knew they weren't. And iirc he said "found *liable* for >>>>>>>>>> rape", not "convicted" ...which may have been raised as relevant. >>>>>>>>>>
Are you now trying to say that Boy George gave an interview without >>>>>>>>> doing his homework?
No, as I understand it, his homework was even done *for* him. But he >>>>>>>> chose to describe Trump as harshly as possible. It's unclear what >>>>>>>> verdict a full reckoning -- i.e., no "settlement" -- would've given. >>>>>>>>
To state that he was convicted of rape is not a description. It's a >>>>>>> claim of fact, which is why ABC is paying big bucks.
Again, he said "found *liable* for rape", not "convicted". And, again, >>>>>> it's unclear whether that difference might've borne out as important. >>>>>>
He was not convicted nor "iiable" for rape. The judge in the civil
case was wrong on the law as much as you are. It's a shame you can't >>>>> sue judges cause that would be fantastic.
Afaik, there's no definitive meaning of "found liable for rape".
Obviously ABC knew what that meant because they settled REALLY
quickly. Liable has a specific legal definition. You're welcome to
find any legal reference where Trump was found legally liable for
rape.
Nothing about a settlement is obvious, except to an "expert".
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:08:06 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/26/2024 10:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:34:39 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/25/2024 11:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:
On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From your cited article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
in technicalities.
It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction.
Laughter.
Go ahead and explain it for us.
We think you don't really want an explanation.
It's your claim. If you can't explain it, then we all understand that
you're lying.
We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
Non-response is noted.
Please try again.
Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter... >>>>>>>>
NY law says that only penile insertion is rape. E.g., across the river,
NJ disagrees. And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so >>>>>>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner >>>>>>>> Louima with a broom handle...
And Trump was found not guilty of rape. Do you think it's fine for a >>>>>>> journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere. >>>>>>
Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
They found him not guilty of rape.
Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
Trump sued.
ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.
You lose.
Laughter.
Well, laughter is certainly appropriate here. Just not yours...
Weak response on your part noted.
You don't seem to do well with facts, do you?
Not nearly so well as you do with "notes"...
And you evade again.