• Re: Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People

    From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Mon Jan 6 15:36:46 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.strips

    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
    policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
    it.

    Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
    be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
    This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in
    some locations.

    On the subject of the automatomobile I strongly recommend the story "Sally"
    by Isaac Asimov.
    --scott
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  • From Michael Benveniste@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Mon Jan 6 15:42:08 2025
    On 12/26/2024 3:40 AM, Charles Packer wrote:

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

    3 of my 4 grandparents were born in the 19th century. My paternal
    grandmother was born in 1901.

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  • From Michael Benveniste@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Jan 6 15:46:45 2025
    On 1/6/2025 10:36 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
    be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
    This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in some locations.

    It's already the case that in the U.S. a manual transmission functions
    as an anti-theft device. More than once, valet services left the car
    where we dropped it off because they couldn't find anyone who could
    drive it.

    --
    Mike Benveniste -- mhb@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Tue Dec 31 22:22:39 2024
    On 12/31/24 19:54, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 12/26/2024 6:13 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vkknqj$3605n$2@dont-email.me>,
    Bobbie Sellers  <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On 12/25/24 19:56, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
         https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25

    The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
    people do not understand how old technology worked.

    Lynn


        My father was born in 1896 so certainly his dad must have
    been born even earlier.


    Remember, this is the SF group!

    Not fiction, but President John Tyler, born 1790, has a living
    grandson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Ruffin_Tyler

    pt


    Yes but sadly he is not up to public appearances.

    bliss - the hobbler

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Dec 26 15:11:15 2024
    On 12/25/24 19:56, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
       https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25

    The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
    people do not understand how old technology worked.

    Lynn


    My father was born in 1896 so certainly his dad must have
    been born even earlier. Dad died in 1939 when i eas 2.5 years of
    age. My maternal grandfather was born even earlier since my
    mom was born in 1916.

    bliss

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.co on Thu Dec 26 23:13:19 2024
    In article <vkknqj$3605n$2@dont-email.me>,
    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On 12/25/24 19:56, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
       https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25

    The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
    people do not understand how old technology worked.

    Lynn


    My father was born in 1896 so certainly his dad must have
    been born even earlier.


    Remember, this is the SF group!
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    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Fri Jan 3 14:57:30 2025
    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:40:06 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
    <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
    grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

    No - though my grandfather (b 1901) at the end of his love kept saying
    how amazing it was to be born before the Wright brothers' first flight
    and seeing the TV coverage of Neil Armstrong on the moon.

    The grandmother closest to me (b. 1907) got HER driver's licence when
    my grandfather (the other one - who was a commercial fisherman who
    later became a fish cannery owner and a two time candidate for the
    Canadian parliament as well as being jury foreman on what turned out
    to be the most notorious Canadian murder trial in the 1960s - Google
    "Murder by Milkshake" if you want to know more) was at sea.

    He was used to being picked up at home and being driven to the fish
    dock when he went to sea but on this one occasion was picked up by my grandmother who hadn't told him she had been learning to drive while
    he was at sea the last 2-3 months...

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Fri Jan 3 14:59:42 2025
    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 14:23:00 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    I knew four of my great grandparents, all born in the late 1800s. One
    of them was born in Belgium, another was born in Germany.

    I talked on the phone to my great grandmother (Mom's maternal
    grandmother) when I was 9 or 10 but I was in Canada and she was in
    Northern Ireland. My other three pre-deceased me.

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to lcraver@home.ca on Fri Jan 3 23:16:31 2025
    In article <9fqgnj9kle5sb9thncusua5pmt0uun3reh@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:40:06 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer ><mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

    Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
    the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
    witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two >>grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

    No - though my grandfather (b 1901) at the end of his love kept saying
    how amazing it was to be born before the Wright brothers' first flight
    and seeing the TV coverage of Neil Armstrong on the moon.

    My maternal grandfather Strahan served in WWI, so he must have been
    old enough to enlist. So probably born in the 19th century? He
    was a Quartermaster, second class, by the time he got the Navy
    Cross so probably not some tween with pasted on moustache.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to Nicoll on Fri Jan 3 17:58:50 2025
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:16:31 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    My maternal grandfather Strahan served in WWI, so he must have been
    old enough to enlist. So probably born in the 19th century? He
    was a Quartermaster, second class, by the time he got the Navy
    Cross so probably not some tween with pasted on moustache.

    I'd have to look up the dates on my great-grandfather (mother's
    paternal grandfather) who (1) emigrated with wife + 8 children from
    Belfast to Vancouver in 1912, (2) on start of war took the train to
    Halifax and steamer to London where he then turned up with his reserve officer's commission and asked them to put him to work (3) commanded a minesweeper for the duration (promoted in 1917) (4) returned to Canada
    in early 1919 and never returned to the UK until 1936 when he caught a
    fever in Belfast on his way to attending the coronation that never was
    and is buried in the same cemetary his parents were (in a small town
    about 1/2 hr E of Belfast) - which we visited when we were there in
    2016.

    I asked a good friend who is a retired Canadian navy officer
    (commanded a frigate which is as big as Canadian ships get these days)
    to confirm his rank based on his service photo - he said "no problem,
    we learn rank insignia in the academy and Canadian and UK insignia are
    the same". I told him that it had to be before his promotion and
    agreed and said 'from the ribbons almost certainly mid-1916' since he
    has all the standard ribbons through then'

    Navy Cross isn't one of those 'thanks for serving" medals so I'd say
    you should see if you can get the citation - which ought to be
    available in the Royal Navy records.

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to lcraver@home.ca on Sat Jan 4 02:23:46 2025
    In article <io4hnj5skcnk5u4q7mnkpiss405ld6h7hp@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:16:31 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    My maternal grandfather Strahan served in WWI, so he must have been
    old enough to enlist. So probably born in the 19th century? He
    was a Quartermaster, second class, by the time he got the Navy
    Cross so probably not some tween with pasted on moustache.

    I'd have to look up the dates on my great-grandfather (mother's
    paternal grandfather) who (1) emigrated with wife + 8 children from
    Belfast to Vancouver in 1912, (2) on start of war took the train to
    Halifax and steamer to London where he then turned up with his reserve >officer's commission and asked them to put him to work (3) commanded a >minesweeper for the duration (promoted in 1917) (4) returned to Canada
    in early 1919 and never returned to the UK until 1936 when he caught a
    fever in Belfast on his way to attending the coronation that never was
    and is buried in the same cemetary his parents were (in a small town
    about 1/2 hr E of Belfast) - which we visited when we were there in
    2016.

    I asked a good friend who is a retired Canadian navy officer
    (commanded a frigate which is as big as Canadian ships get these days)
    to confirm his rank based on his service photo - he said "no problem,
    we learn rank insignia in the academy and Canadian and UK insignia are
    the same". I told him that it had to be before his promotion and
    agreed and said 'from the ribbons almost certainly mid-1916' since he
    has all the standard ribbons through then'

    Navy Cross isn't one of those 'thanks for serving" medals so I'd say
    you should see if you can get the citation - which ought to be
    available in the Royal Navy records.

    Oh, I have it. USN, not RN.

    In the paper version of this I have seen, the back of the letter has
    a note to my grandmother telling her not to worry.

    ******

    ND: Rdb.
    File No. 133-G

    Base Eighteen
    9 February 1919

    From: Commanding Officer RED ROSE
    To: Secretary of the Navy.
    Via : Force Commander.
    Commanding Officer, U.S.Naval Bases 17 and 18
    Commander Minesweeping Detachment.

    Subject: Strachan P.J. Q.M. 2c USNRF -- Recommendation
    For Navy Cross and advancement in rating .

    1) In accordance with instructions from Force Commander, two British
    sailing smacks were obtained from the Admiralty for conducting
    experimental minesweeping in the North Sea Barrage to ascertain the effectiveness of these in field. Due to the late delivery of the vessels
    it was not possible to fit them out and carry on the experiments until
    after the armistice had been signed. On account of the peculiar
    sensitiveness of the American Mark V1 Mine, considerable doubt was
    expressed whether it would be possible for any type of vessel to
    cross the minefield without being destroyed, even if the vessel
    itself were protected. The possibility of adjacent mines countermining
    was considered a grave source of danger to any vessel.

    2) The two vessels supplied by the Admiralty were Lowestoft fishing
    smacks, ketch rigged, sixty-nine feet overall. They were fitted out
    at Base Eighteen with crews of picked men who had volunteered for this
    work. The drifter Red Fern was received in very good condition, but
    the other vessel RED ROSE was extremely old, the timbers rotted and
    the hull leaking badly.. It is understood that this vessel had been
    sunk for approximately three months and had been raised sometime prior to sending her to Inverness for experimental purposes.

    3) The vessels got underway on 21 December 1918 and were towed to the
    minefield where they made sail on 22 December 1918, put out the sweep
    and set course to cross the minefield. The minefield laid by Mine Squadron
    One on 19 August 1918 was crossed and recrossed four times, resulting in exploding six mines., two of which were so close astern of the RED ROSE
    that the water thrown up was blown aboard that vessel. The explosion also caused considerable additional leakage which necessitated keeping the
    pumps going approximately fifty percent of the time to keep the hull
    free of water. By three o'clock the wind had freshened to force six,
    with the barometer still falling rapidly and a bad sea coming on. The
    sweep was cut adrift and the vessels stood off to the southward to get
    clear of the minefield before dark. At 9:00 PM a gale was blowing and
    an extremely heavy sea which made it necessary for the RED ROSE to heave
    to under a storm jib and triple- reefed mizzen. The storm was increasing
    in violence until it began to appear doubtful whether it would be possible
    to keep the ship afloat until the weather abated.

    4) At about 2:00 AM the main topmast ,which was carrying no sails snapped
    and hung about half way down the mast, suspended by the topsail halyards.
    This mast suspended in this fashion was whipping about wildly, striking
    the sail and rigging violently, with grave danger of carrying away the
    headsail as well as the shrouds and other rigging attached to the mast.
    The only solution was to go aloft and cut it adrift. This involved climbing
    the shrouds while the topmast was whipping across them at intervals of approximately four seconds and with such force that it would have killed
    a man had he been struck by it.

    P.J. Strachan, quartermaster second class, U.S.Naval Reserve Force,
    realizing the situation jumped into the rigging and, watching the
    mast as it whipped back and forth across the shrowds finally succeeded
    in climbing above it and on to the crosstrees where he cut it free
    and it fell on deck.

    Later on the same night while the Commanding Officer was securing some
    rigging which had come adrift a heavy sea broke over the bulwark washing
    him across the deck. He would undoubtedly have been carried overboard
    had it not been for the assistance of Strachan who caught him and held
    him until the sea had passed. During the remainder of this storm and
    another storm of equal violence, Strachan displayed the most remarkable
    courage and seamanship I have ever seen.

    4) It is therefore recommended that P.J.Strachan quarter master second
    class U.S. Naval Reserve Force be awarded the Navy Cross for most
    distinguished service and extraordinary heroism in the line of duty
    and that he be advanced to the rating of Chief Quartermaster. It is
    further requested that a copy of this letter be attached to his
    service record.

    Commanding Officer Davis

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Fri Jan 3 22:12:21 2025
    In article <isqgnjpo8t3lmfhquho2no4j8g4607j6vb@4ax.com>,
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 14:23:00 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    I knew four of my great grandparents, all born in the late 1800s. One
    of them was born in Belgium, another was born in Germany.

    I talked on the phone to my great grandmother (Mom's maternal
    grandmother) when I was 9 or 10 but I was in Canada and she was in
    Northern Ireland. My other three pre-deceased me.

    There is a picture of me (very young) sitting in the lap of my mother's maternal grandfather (I think he was the only great-grandparent still
    alive when I was born). I remember meeting a woman who my father
    referred to as his grandmother, but she was the 2nd wife of his maternal grandfather and his mother was the only surviving child of his first
    marriage. It might say something about me, but I always thought that she
    wasn't my great-grandmother.

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