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"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well >printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created >machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th >century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the >clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths, >bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars--
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp >>> https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/ >>>
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused >>> a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live. >>>
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th >>> century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well >>>> printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created >>>> machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused >>>> a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live. >>>>
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th >>>> century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of >>>> what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths, >>>> bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And >>>> chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will >>>> be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not >>>> easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators >>>> or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
On 12/13/24 12:48, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well >>>>> printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created >>>>> machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused >>>>> a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th >>>>> century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the >>>>> end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the >>>>> clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of >>>>> what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths, >>>>> bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And >>>>> chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will >>>>> be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But >>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not >>>>> easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators >>>>> or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids surviveed them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp >>> https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/ >>>
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused >>> a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live. >>>
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th >>> century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/13/24 12:48, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well >>>>>> printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I >>>>>> bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created >>>>>> machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused >>>>>> a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th >>>>>> century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the >>>>>> end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the >>>>>> clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of >>>>>> what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths, >>>>>> bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And >>>>>> chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will >>>>>> be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the >>>>>> western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully >>>>>> reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But >>>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not >>>>>> easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators >>>>>> or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to >>>>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
In our timeline, dogs were domesticated *during* the Pleistocene.
On 12/14/2024 10:20 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:27:43 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well >>>>> printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created >>>>> machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused >>>>> a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th >>>>> century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the >>>>> end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the >>>>> clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of >>>>> what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths, >>>>> bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And >>>>> chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will >>>>> be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But >>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not >>>>> easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators >>>>> or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
So, the theory here is that no dogs survived the Pleistocene? Or is it
that they were domesticated later on?
Please keep in mind that /you/ are the one who said it was at the end
of (one of the) Pleistocene ice ages. So no moving the goalposts to
the far future.
There were no humans on Earth 4428 until the very end of the
Pleistocene. Almost all of the other thousands of Earth planets in
other universes had humans on them.
On 12/14/24 08:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/13/24 12:48, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well >>>>>>> printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I >>>>>>> bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for >>>>>>> reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created >>>>>>> machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the >>>>>>> end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the >>>>>>> clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of >>>>>>> what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths, >>>>>>> bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And >>>>>>> chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will >>>>>>> be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the >>>>>>> western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully >>>>>>> reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But >>>>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not >>>>>>> easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators >>>>>>> or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to >>>>>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
On 12/15/24 08:53, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:02:06 -0800, Bobbie SellersJack L Knapp
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/14/24 08:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/13/24 12:48, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by
they causedhttps://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/ >>>>>>>>>Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I >>>>>>>>> bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for >>>>>>>>> reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But,
will to live.a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the
the 20th
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and >>>>>>>>> transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the >>>>>>>>> end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the >>>>>>>>> clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the >>>>>>>>> western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully >>>>>>>>> reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But >>>>>>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to >>>>>>>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll >>>>>>>> down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs. >>>>>>>>
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
It takes several generations to produce usable dogs
at the very best. Wolves mean human hunters who leave some of
their own kill for the wolves. A few wolves follow the humans
back to their camp or villiage and some of those few learn that
scavenging from human is an easy way to live.
People begin to notice the behavior and encourage it.
How many wolf generations to get to a animal that can
be trained to pull loads for people? I dunno. But I bet it is
shorter if the humans have that objective. Meantime like the
early humans the humans are enroute to new hunting grounds.
bliss
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:02:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/14/24 08:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/13/24 12:48, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I >>>>>>>> bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for >>>>>>>> reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created >>>>>>>> machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the >>>>>>>> end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the >>>>>>>> clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of >>>>>>>> what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths, >>>>>>>> bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And >>>>>>>> chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will >>>>>>>> be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the >>>>>>>> western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully >>>>>>>> reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But >>>>>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators >>>>>>>> or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to >>>>>>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll >>>>>>> down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:02:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/14/24 08:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/13/24 12:48, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I >>>>>>>> bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for >>>>>>>> reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created >>>>>>>> machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the >>>>>>>> end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the >>>>>>>> clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of >>>>>>>> what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths, >>>>>>>> bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And >>>>>>>> chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will >>>>>>>> be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the >>>>>>>> western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully >>>>>>>> reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But >>>>>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators >>>>>>>> or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to >>>>>>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll >>>>>>> down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
In article <vjn24t$l6rd$1@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 12/15/24 08:53, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:02:06 -0800, Bobbie SellersJack L Knapp
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/14/24 08:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/13/24 12:48, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/ >>>>>>>>>>
they causedBook number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I >>>>>>>>>> bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for >>>>>>>>>> reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But,
will to live.a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the
the 20th
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and >>>>>>>>>> transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the >>>>>>>>>> western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully >>>>>>>>>> reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But >>>>>>>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to >>>>>>>>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll >>>>>>>>> down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs. >>>>>>>>>
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or >>>>> the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
It takes several generations to produce usable dogs
at the very best. Wolves mean human hunters who leave some of
their own kill for the wolves. A few wolves follow the humans
back to their camp or villiage and some of those few learn that
scavenging from human is an easy way to live.
People begin to notice the behavior and encourage it.
How many wolf generations to get to a animal that can
be trained to pull loads for people? I dunno. But I bet it is
shorter if the humans have that objective. Meantime like the
early humans the humans are enroute to new hunting grounds.
bliss
There is a Russian generational experiment with domesticating foxes
that has shown results over, bassicaly, a human lifetime iirc. My understanding is that said foxes are not really yet fully doglike:
They aren't afraid of humans, but they aren't best-friends either. Nonetheless they have come a long way.
On 12/15/2024 9:10 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vjn24t$l6rd$1@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 12/15/24 08:53, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:02:06 -0800, Bobbie SellersJack L Knapp
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/14/24 08:18, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/13/24 12:48, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vji5c1$3jje0$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/ >>>>>>>>>>>
they causedBook number two of a five book science fiction series. I >>>>>>>>>>> read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback >>>>>>>>>>> that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series >>>>>>>>>>> for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and >>>>>>>>>>> even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But,
will to live.a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the
the 20th
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and >>>>>>>>>>> transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going >>>>>>>>>>> through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools >>>>>>>>>>> and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive >>>>>>>>>>> conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, >>>>>>>>>>> mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, >>>>>>>>>>> etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into >>>>>>>>>>> what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move >>>>>>>>>>> to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to >>>>>>>>>>> hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible
winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and >>>>>>>>>>> carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for >>>>>>>>>>> predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used.
According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll >>>>>>>>>> down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs. >>>>>>>>>>
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or >>>>>> the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/ >>>> these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
It takes several generations to produce usable dogs
at the very best. Wolves mean human hunters who leave some of
their own kill for the wolves. A few wolves follow the humans
back to their camp or villiage and some of those few learn that
scavenging from human is an easy way to live.
People begin to notice the behavior and encourage it.
How many wolf generations to get to a animal that can
be trained to pull loads for people? I dunno. But I bet it is
shorter if the humans have that objective. Meantime like the
early humans the humans are enroute to new hunting grounds.
bliss
There is a Russian generational experiment with domesticating foxes
that has shown results over, bassicaly, a human lifetime iirc. My
understanding is that said foxes are not really yet fully doglike:
They aren't afraid of humans, but they aren't best-friends either.
Nonetheless they have come a long way.
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us. :)
On 12/15/24 09:32, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 12/15/2024 9:10 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us.á :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
On 12/15/2024 10:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:52:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/14/2024 10:20 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:27:43 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/13/2024 10:41 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well >>>>>>> printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I >>>>>>> bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for >>>>>>> reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created >>>>>>> machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the >>>>>>> end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the >>>>>>> clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of >>>>>>> what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths, >>>>>>> bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And >>>>>>> chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will >>>>>>> be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the >>>>>>> western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully >>>>>>> reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But >>>>>>> moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not >>>>>>> easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators >>>>>>> or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to >>>>>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
So, the theory here is that no dogs survived the Pleistocene? Or is it >>>> that they were domesticated later on?
Please keep in mind that /you/ are the one who said it was at the end
of (one of the) Pleistocene ice ages. So no moving the goalposts to
the far future.
There were no humans on Earth 4428 until the very end of the
Pleistocene. Almost all of the other thousands of Earth planets in
other universes had humans on them.
Ah. I mistook "4428" for a year.
I wasn't aware this was in the Marvel Universe.
This is not the Marvel Universe. The futurists have explored thousands
of parallel Earths.
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 11:16:01 -0800, Bobbie Sellers ><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/15/24 09:32, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 12/15/2024 9:10 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
<snippo>
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us.á :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
Nextdoor shows that several species (deer and, of course, bunnies and
rats but also coyotes and bobcats) have instead moved into the cities
and suburbs.
This is thought to suppress the bunnies and rats, but it also makes
life outside dangerous for cats and at least small dogs.
And possums and raccoons have been around for decades, if not longer.
And then there are the flying dinosaur descendants, some of them cute,
others less cute.
In article <prk0mjli6tskrrsssnpjva8l20hcacg2l2@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 11:16:01 -0800, Bobbie Sellers >><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/15/24 09:32, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 12/15/2024 9:10 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
<snippo>
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do >>>> our work for us.á :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel >>>including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
Nextdoor shows that several species (deer and, of course, bunnies and
rats but also coyotes and bobcats) have instead moved into the cities
and suburbs.
This is thought to suppress the bunnies and rats, but it also makes
life outside dangerous for cats and at least small dogs.
And possums and raccoons have been around for decades, if not longer.
And then there are the flying dinosaur descendants, some of them cute, >>others less cute.
One of the odder details I encountered while digging through old
newpaper files is that in 1900, Kitchener (then Berlin) parks did
not have squirrels. They were deliberately introduced. Maintaining
a breeding population was challenging, as kids kept killing the
squirrels.
In the last 40 years, Kitchener's downtown pigeon population seems
to have plummeted due to local raptors suddenly discovering KW
is basically one huge buffet. Seagulls also seem to be less
common.
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 16:47:40 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
In article <prk0mjli6tskrrsssnpjva8l20hcacg2l2@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 11:16:01 -0800, Bobbie Sellers >>><bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/15/24 09:32, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 12/15/2024 9:10 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
<snippo>
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do >>>>> our work for us.á :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel >>>>including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
Nextdoor shows that several species (deer and, of course, bunnies and >>>rats but also coyotes and bobcats) have instead moved into the cities
and suburbs.
This is thought to suppress the bunnies and rats, but it also makes
life outside dangerous for cats and at least small dogs.
And possums and raccoons have been around for decades, if not longer.
And then there are the flying dinosaur descendants, some of them cute, >>>others less cute.
One of the odder details I encountered while digging through old
newpaper files is that in 1900, Kitchener (then Berlin) parks did
not have squirrels. They were deliberately introduced. Maintaining
a breeding population was challenging, as kids kept killing the
squirrels.
In the last 40 years, Kitchener's downtown pigeon population seems
to have plummeted due to local raptors suddenly discovering KW
is basically one huge buffet. Seagulls also seem to be less
common.
Ebb and flow.
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not >common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not >>>> common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South >Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren >soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and >frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not >>>>> common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South >>Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren >>soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and >>frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
On 12/20/24 9:24 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <6We9P.32715$Uup4.9647@fx10.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were,
if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano, >>>>> they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here). >>>>> I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned >>>>> how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the
South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving
barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not >>>> common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication. There have been regional "Rabbit Boards", tail bounties, rabbit
divisions in Regional Councils and illegal importation and spread of the poison, perhaps spelt Mexamytosis.
The meat is delicious, but not for sale, (perhaps to prevent breeding
for food), and the last time I tasted it many years ago, was from the
fried hind legs of a young rabbit that my retriever had caught and
retrieved. I gave him the edible offal and the tomato plants the rest.
On 12/20/24 06:40, Tony Nance wrote:
On 12/20/24 9:24 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
In article <6We9P.32715$Uup4.9647@fx10.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, >>>>>>>> if notMy sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown. >>>>>>>
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano, >>>>>> they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this >>>>>> should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my >>>>>> yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here). >>>>>> I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned >>>>>> how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the
South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving
barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and >>>>> frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!
make inroards into the lapin cuisine? But wonder why the
authorities do no introduce another predator to deal with
the prey animal introduced?
Think about it.
bliss
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South >Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren >soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and >frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication. >There have been regional "Rabbit Boards", tail bounties, rabbit
divisions in Regional Councils and illegal importation and spread of the >poison, perhaps spelt Mexamytosis.
On 12/20/24 06:40, Tony Nance wrote:
On 12/20/24 9:24 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
In article <6We9P.32715$Uup4.9647@fx10.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, >>>>>>>> if notMy sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown. >>>>>>>
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my
oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this >>>>>> should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my >>>>>> yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here). >>>>>> I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have
learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the
South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving
barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and >>>>> frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
On 12/20/24 06:40, Tony Nance wrote:
On 12/20/24 9:24 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
In article <6We9P.32715$Uup4.9647@fx10.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, >>>>>>>> if notMy sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown. >>>>>>>
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my
oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this >>>>>> should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my >>>>>> yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here). >>>>>> I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have
learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the
South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving
barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and >>>>> frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!
make inroards into the lapin cuisine? But wonder why the
authorities do no introduce another predator to deal with
the prey animal introduced?
Think about it.
On 21/12/24 04:43, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/20/24 06:40, Tony Nance wrote:
On 12/20/24 9:24 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <6We9P.32715$Uup4.9647@fx10.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegieá <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, >>>>>>>>> if notMy sister lives in rural Scotland.á She used to
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown. >>>>>>>>
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.á They eat my
oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.á They must die.á Cats like this >>>>>>> should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my >>>>>>> yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here). >>>>>>> I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have
learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the >>>>>> South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving
barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and >>>>>> frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
ááááhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!ááááGood luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides
in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no >predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:10:30 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 21/12/24 04:43, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/20/24 06:40, Tony Nance wrote:
On 12/20/24 9:24 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <6We9P.32715$Uup4.9647@fx10.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegieá <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, >>>>>>>>>> if notMy sister lives in rural Scotland.á She used to
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown. >>>>>>>>>
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.á They eat my
oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.á They must die.á Cats like this >>>>>>>> should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my >>>>>>>> yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here). >>>>>>>> I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have >>>>>>>> learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the >>>>>>> South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving >>>>>>> barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and >>>>>>> frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
ááááhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
You mean like the baby-eating?
Not a problem at all. You just bring in komodo dragons to control the
dingo population.
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:10:30 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 21/12/24 04:43, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/20/24 06:40, Tony Nance wrote:
On 12/20/24 9:24 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <6We9P.32715$Uup4.9647@fx10.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, >>>>>>>>>> if notMy sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown. >>>>>>>>>
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my >>>>>>>> oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this >>>>>>>> should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my >>>>>>>> yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here). >>>>>>>> I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have >>>>>>>> learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the >>>>>>> South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving >>>>>>> barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and >>>>>>> frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Perfect!!Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides
in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no
predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
On 12/21/24 08:47, Paul S Person wrote:
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I am
sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.
In the Central Valley of California around the Fresno
Bakerfield areas, there was a rabbit problem which led to mass
hunts by people, farmers and kin. driving the pesky bunnies
before them and clubbing them to death. Human occupation of
the countryside with cutting of trees and even brush as well
as the plows disturbing the burrows and the noisy machines.
So the predators went upslope and did not regularly visit
their old hunting grounds which filled up with bunnies.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes >>could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go >>after. But that is true of all predators.
You mean like the baby-eating?
Not a problem at all. You just bring in komodo dragons to control the
dingo population.
On 20/12/2024 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South >>> Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren >>> soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
New Zealand is not benefitted by additional
"invasive species".
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_in_New_Zealand>
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:30:05 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/21/24 08:47, Paul S Person wrote:
<snippo: rabbit control for New Zealand>
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I am >> sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.
They also catch rodents (specifially, rats). Which is also helpful.
What the prefer is, AFAIK, not known.
In the Central Valley of California around the Fresno
Bakerfield areas, there was a rabbit problem which led to mass
hunts by people, farmers and kin. driving the pesky bunnies
before them and clubbing them to death. Human occupation of
the countryside with cutting of trees and even brush as well
as the plows disturbing the burrows and the noisy machines.
So the predators went upslope and did not regularly visit
their old hunting grounds which filled up with bunnies.
Did the hunts work? Or are they still ongoing (in season)?
Which brings to things to mind:
1. /Watership Down/
2. "It's not /nice/ to mess with Mother Nature"
You mean like the baby-eating?
Actually, I was thinking of coyotes' eating pet cats and (at least not
too big) dogs but I suppose an unattended infant might be at risk as
well.
BTW, bobcats might work just as well; but they pop up on Nextdoor a
lot less often than coyotes do.
Myxomatosis isn't a poison - its a disease which was rapidly
fatal in rabbits, though now, in Australia, resistant animals
are appearing.
NZ is chock-full of 'ground dwelling creatures that are easier to catch
and more delicious".
Until human settlement less than 1000 years, ago, the only native
land mammals were bats. As a result, there are a large number of
native ground-dwelling, flightless birds, such as the kiwi.
Eliminating ground dwelling non-human mammals altogether is an
ongoing project.
On 12/21/2024 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:10:30 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 21/12/24 04:43, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/20/24 06:40, Tony Nance wrote:
On 12/20/24 9:24 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <6We9P.32715$Uup4.9647@fx10.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, >>>>>>>>>>> if notMy sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown. >>>>>>>>>>
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my >>>>>>>>> oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this >>>>>>>>> should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them >>>>>>>>> in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits >>>>>>>>> here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have >>>>>>>>> learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the >>>>>>>> South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving >>>>>>>> barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with
large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Perfect!!Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides >>> in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no >>> predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
The very last thing New Zealand needs is more mammalian predators.
Until human settlement, less than 1000 years ago, the only non-marine
mammals were bats. As a result, many ground-dwelling birds evolved,
including the iconic kiwi.
Tha Maori introduced dogs and rats, and later European settlers many
more species, which are devastating the native population.
There's currently a project underway to free NZ from mammalian
predators by 2050. They don't need new ones.
Myxomatosis isn't a poison - its a disease which was rapidly
fatal in rabbits, though now, in Australia, resistant animals
are appearing.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
You mean like the baby-eating?
Actually, I was thinking of coyotes' eating pet cats and (at least not
too big) dogs but I suppose an unattended infant might be at risk as
well.
It even got a wikipedia entry: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_ate_my_baby
BTW, bobcats might work just as well; but they pop up on Nextdoor a
lot less often than coyotes do.
A friend of mine has them up in western Virginia. They hang out with her >housecats and sometimes share food with them. Kind of creepy actually.
On 12/22/24 08:41, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:30:05 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/21/24 08:47, Paul S Person wrote:
<snippo: rabbit control for New Zealand>
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I am >>> sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.
They also catch rodents (specifially, rats). Which is also helpful.
What the prefer is, AFAIK, not known.
In the Central Valley of California around the Fresno
Bakerfield areas, there was a rabbit problem which led to mass
hunts by people, farmers and kin. driving the pesky bunnies
before them and clubbing them to death. Human occupation of
the countryside with cutting of trees and even brush as well
as the plows disturbing the burrows and the noisy machines.
So the predators went upslope and did not regularly visit
their old hunting grounds which filled up with bunnies.
Did the hunts work? Or are they still ongoing (in season)?
For the hunters they were essential.
Which brings to things to mind:
1. /Watership Down/
2. "It's not /nice/ to mess with Mother Nature"
Did you hear yet that the California ground squirrels will hunt and
devour voles? Rodent predating on rodent.
Bunny Bashing: Predator Control in Early Kern County May 31, 2021 ><https://www.valleyagvoice.com/bunny-bashing-predator-control-in-early-kern-county/>
Seems like it may be time again for rabbit roundup according to the article.
On 23/12/24 11:27, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 12/21/2024 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:Which is why we now use Calicivirus as well, which somehoe got released
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:10:30 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 21/12/24 04:43, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 12/20/24 06:40, Tony Nance wrote:
On 12/20/24 9:24 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <6We9P.32715$Uup4.9647@fx10.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> writes:
On 20/12/24 15:55, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegieá <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2024 16:57, Paul S Person wrote:
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, >>>>>>>>>>>> if notMy sister lives in rural Scotland.á She used to
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown. >>>>>>>>>>>
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.á They eat my >>>>>>>>>> oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.á They must die.á Cats like this >>>>>>>>>> should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them >>>>>>>>>> in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits >>>>>>>>>> here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have >>>>>>>>>> learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the >>>>>>>>> South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving >>>>>>>>> barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with >>>>>>>>> large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
áááááhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite. >>>>>> Perfect!!
áááááGood luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides >>>> in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no >>>> predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
The very last thing New Zealand needs is more mammalian predators.
Until human settlement, less than 1000 years ago, the only non-marine
mammals were bats. As a result, many ground-dwelling birds evolved,
including the iconic kiwi.
Tha Maori introduced dogs and rats, and later European settlers many
more species, which are devastating the native population.
There's currently a project underway to free NZ from mammalian
predators by 2050. They don't need new ones.
Myxomatosis isn't a poison - its a disease which was rapidly
fatal in rabbits, though now, in Australia, resistant animals
are appearing.
by mistake shortly after it had been agreed that it was safe for the
native animals, but before all the pollies and wallies had signed off on
it. :-)
Bloody mongrels still don't die quickly enough.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 10:59:36 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/22/24 08:41, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:30:05 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 12/21/24 08:47, Paul S Person wrote:
<snippo: rabbit control for New Zealand>
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go >>>>> after. But that is true of all predators.
No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I am >>>> sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.
They also catch rodents (specifially, rats). Which is also helpful.
What the prefer is, AFAIK, not known.
In the Central Valley of California around the Fresno
Bakerfield areas, there was a rabbit problem which led to mass
hunts by people, farmers and kin. driving the pesky bunnies
before them and clubbing them to death. Human occupation of
the countryside with cutting of trees and even brush as well
as the plows disturbing the burrows and the noisy machines.
So the predators went upslope and did not regularly visit
their old hunting grounds which filled up with bunnies.
Did the hunts work? Or are they still ongoing (in season)?
For the hunters they were essential.
Which brings to things to mind:
1. /Watership Down/
2. "It's not /nice/ to mess with Mother Nature"
Did you hear yet that the California ground squirrels will hunt and
devour voles? Rodent predating on rodent.
I think "preying on" would be better. I generally take "predate" to
mean "come before".
However, Bing suggests otherwise. Useage, of course, shifts, and I may
not have kept up.
Bunny Bashing: Predator Control in Early Kern County May 31, 2021
<https://www.valleyagvoice.com/bunny-bashing-predator-control-in-early-kern-county/>
Seems like it may be time again for rabbit roundup according to the article.
Has anyone suggested Coyotes?