On 12/3/24 17:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:

“Climate Change over the past 4000 Years”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/12/03/climate-change-over-the- past-4000-years/

“Many paleoclimatologists, archeologists, and historians agree that
there is a correspondence between the level of solar activity and
climate. They also agree that humans do better in warmer times than in
colder times. It is time for the “consensus” to face up to the
historical and archeological facts.”

Very shocking, climate is variable over the years and it is mostly
caused by Sol’s variability.  And people can grow more food in warmer times and live easier.

Lynn

No wonder you read Speculative Fiction. You lack
apparently the "lobes" for science and wish to push the blame
off on Sol Invitus.
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As as person who prizes the work done by the real climate
scientist i find your argument absurd. And your estimate of the
time the planet has been warming ridiculous. The Earth has been
warming since the last Ice Age.
Crabs, lobsters and other sea food do very well with
sea water until it is heated to boiling. You do not even have
to heat the coral near boiling and the coral is dying. Sea mammals
like Whales are suffering from nutritional insufficiency because
the food they depend on is dying.

Humans can handle a bit of warmth though personally
beyond 70 degrees F makes me very uncomfortable but in areas
that have been hot but not too hot for humans people are dying
from the heat. Certain crops will not grow well in higher heat.
The soil where not flooded and being washed away is drying out.

So I believe that human activity has contributed to the
release of gases which prevent the atmosphere from cooling
properly. Among those are Methane and Carbon Dioxide.

When the glaciers of California or anywhere else
start growing again I would if then alive proclaim
victory over the Climate Crisis present and impending.

bliss the hobbler(bad ankle)

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On 12/5/24 11:26, William Hyde wrote:

D wrote:

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 12/3/2024 7:59 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/3/24 17:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:

???Climate Change over the past 4000 Years???

I have quite a bit of experience running forced flow and natural flow
reactors.  Sol acts exactly like a natural flow reactor with both short >>>> and long cycles of variability.

You have zero climate science background, so your experience with
non-nuclear reactors seems somewhat irrelevent.

Nonsense. Climate "science" is political. The real stuff is climate
science reduced to physics.

Let's try a little test, shall we?

What do you think is used to create climate models?

No cheating, no looking it up.  I want to know what you thought at the
time you wrote the above.

William Hyde

The United Nations Environment Program reports more than 20 of the
world’s 72 seagrass species are on the decline. As a result, an
estimated 7 percent of these habitats are lost each year.

In the western Atlantic, some eelgrass meadows have been reduced
by more than 90 percent in the last 100 years, according to The
Nature Conservancy, an environmental nonprofit that works to protect
lands and waters around the world.

Now, rising sea surface temperatures caused by global
warming are pushing the plant to the brink of extinction.

<https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/12/seagrass-is-fantastic-at-carbon-capture-and-its-at-risk-of-extinction/>

I saw something on TV about attempts by the flightless
two-legged shore birds called humans, were making to spread
eel grass. I missed the part about eel grass being
close to extinction.
Without the meadows of eel grass will the eel thrive?
Will there be no more Japaneses style bar-be-qued Eel?

But aside from that, that is a common story in these days of
something that has been doing us good, quietly working in the
background to make our existence more tenable and we are
destroying its habitat.

I may put it under some climate skeptics (yes there are
those still who blinded by a fossil fuel income) cannot see
past the end of their noses.

bliss - stewing in my own juice

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On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:59:05 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

As as person who prizes the work done by the real climate
scientist i find your argument absurd. And your estimate of the
time the planet has been warming ridiculous. The Earth has been
warming since the last Ice Age.

Of course - that's why they call it an Ice Age - by definition it's
bound to be the coldest part of the era.

Crabs, lobsters and other sea food do very well with
sea water until it is heated to boiling. You do not even have
to heat the coral near boiling and the coral is dying. Sea mammals
like Whales are suffering from nutritional insufficiency because
the food they depend on is dying.

Different critters favor different temperatures - that's hardly news.

Humans can handle a bit of warmth though personally
beyond 70 degrees F makes me very uncomfortable but in areas
that have been hot but not too hot for humans people are dying
from the heat. Certain crops will not grow well in higher heat.
The soil where not flooded and being washed away is drying out.

So I believe that human activity has contributed to the
release of gases which prevent the atmosphere from cooling
properly. Among those are Methane and Carbon Dioxide.

The important thing is how much - natural rising and falling of
temperatures is part of the climactic cycles. Human beings have
expanded exponentially and how much our impact makes a difference
depends on where we're at on the natural cycle.

10000-20000 years ago the present amount of human impact probably
would have been a benefit given we then had an ice age. These days not
so much - and no question the climate has various "tipping points"
built it. Climate scientists disagree at what levels these kick in but
few disagree those are there.

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On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 13:33:57 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

I may put it under some climate skeptics (yes there are
those still who blinded by a fossil fuel income) cannot see
past the end of their noses.

Where are you with respect to people like me who accept that humans
can influence the global climate (in a warming kind of way) but
despairs that any effective climate change treaty can do the trick as
long as China and India are massively using coal power and expanding
their use of it?

Frankly if Canadians (all 35 million plus of us) all committed suicide overnight it wouldn't have 1/4 the effect on the global climate than
if China reduced their coal emissions 20% - and they need to reduce
them considerably more than that to meet the targets.

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