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On 11/6/24 06:18, Scout wrote:

"Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote in message news:vgdkfv$1kbfm$1@dont-email.me...

On 11/5/24 06:52, Scout wrote:

"NefeshBarYochai" <void@invalid.noy> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:47:40 -0800, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote:

On 11/3/24 17:45, NefeshBarYochai wrote:

Let us be clear.

Gaza was a crime,

Yes, Nefesh,
"Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations
were
taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it
won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Hey Nefesh, do you agree it was a crime to not accept in 2000?
Again, the Palestinians could have had their own state.
Yet another time, they chose to not have their own state,
an independent and internationally recognized country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been >>>>> closer to agreement

Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I
regret
that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into >>>>> being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian
people for
a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting
peace."
The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete
counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of
Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former >>>>> minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote >>>>> that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great >>>>> man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and
you
made me one."[60]

Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were >>>>> taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it
won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]

Any Palestinian leader who agreed to such an accord would have been
committing treason. The Zionists stole that part of Palestine you now
call Israel.

Bullshit. There has NEVER been a Palestine state. EVER. The Jews
however, lived in that area for thousands of years and even the
prophet Mohammad stated as much in his writings.

Thousands of years if you include the Jews remaining in the region
Palestine after the destruction of the Temple do we get to 1000s
of years otherwise about 1500 years.

Mohamed the Prophet blessed be his name, was himself a victim of
Mythology which is the only way people knew things about the past
before archeology,ethnology and modern DNA based genetics were
available.

It was ruled by an Ottoman governor and he was intensely antisemitic.
The Palestinians lived there for at least 4000 years.

No I mean the people who lived in Palestine, farming, herding,
drawing water, hewing wood, making pots and tanning leather and
leading their lives without much thought for the nature of Deity but
what was taught to them by their leaders/conquerors/priests.
These days, some are Muslims, Jews and Christians and when
the State of Israel was imposed some of them left to become
refugees and suffer the Nakba. Some stayed and are victims of the
repressive policies.

You mean the Jews... oh, and if it was rule over by a governor from the Ottoman empire.. that means it was not a Palestine state.. it was merely
a province of the Empire.

The people of the Book are always quarreling over the intepretation
of the books they hold sacred. Christians, Jews, and Moslems are
rarely of one mind on the meaning.

Well, the Muslim prophet Mohammad made it pretty clear that that area
was the home of the Jews who had lived there since the start of time.

No Palestine state.

Yes I see you are a scriptural fundamentalist and the Hindu
aka the Fire Worshipers predicate a vaster longer time since the
beginning of the World than 6000 years ago. You accept the mythology
and prefer to remain ignorant of science. The Prophet would laugh
at your ignorance.

The area has been attacked and conquered over and over and over, and
never was there a Palestine state.. but it is and was the home of the
Jews.

The home of the Jews in Jewish and Christian mythology.
The Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple and much of Jersalem in
about 66 CE. The Palestinians remained because they were not temple
dependent nor had they tried to cast off the yoke of Roman imperialism.

I see, so the Palestines were actually the Jews..

No they were the Samaritans who worshiped the same god as the
Jewish people but were execrated by the power structure in Jerusalem
in the time of the prophet called Jesus. alleged to have been the
Christ of the Christians. This religious group vanished from records
about 600 CE.

So what does that have to do with the false claims today by Arabic terrorists?

They are living in the world of Myth where they believe
multiple contradictory things. The words of the Prophet and the
relatively long historical claims of the Muslim population of the
region of Palestine against the somewhat lapsed claim of the
Jewish Masses to a historic but equally mythical prolonged claim
to the Region of Palestine.

Don't forget all the now mythical tribes that populated
the area. Philistines, Amorites and the rest. Mythical reported
to have been conquered but only the organizers died, the rest of
the people who farmed the land and herded the sheep only moved
further away from the armies of the conquerors.

It should be called the Unholy land where the conflicting
claims of prophets have been the source of endless infighting.

bliss - the hobbler but not Ahasuerus

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