• Re: Review of Joy to the World [Link]

    From The Last Doctor@21:1/5 to The Last Doctor on Tue Dec 31 10:49:00 2024
    On 31/12/2024 10:40, The Last Doctor wrote:
    On 31/12/2024 09:10, Blueshirt wrote:
    Something different from Blueshirt Mansions this morning, a "Joy
    to the World" review from a semi-religious point of view... from
    a highly educated Christian blogger who likes Doctor Who. (Dave
    might even find it informative!)

    Take it away Professor McGrath...
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2024/12/doctor-who-joy-to-the-world.html

    There's an interesting point on chronology here which works in the
    Whoniverse but sadly for Dave, not in the real world.


    The episode shows the Star as in year "0001". Historical cues in the Bible
    have the birth of Jesus in Matthew as no later than 4BC, but in Luke as no earlier

    ... grr sorry ...

    No earlier than 6AD (a ten year difference, one of the bigger contradictions
    in the Bible that prove it is not inerrant in any translation or edition as
    it's full of internal contradictions and issues like this).

    But in the Whoniverse, history is always being rewritten and traces of what
    has never been get left behind in the next iteration.

    So what if - Jesus was born in 1 or 2 BC in the current ("mavity") timeline
    - thus the wise men turning up in 0001 (AD). But the book of Matthew comes
    from the universe where Jesus was born in 4BC and the Doctor worked with
    UNIT in the 70s ... but the book of Luke comes from a universe where Jesus
    was born in 6AD and the Doctor worked with UNIT in the 80s ... which of
    course were the same events ...

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  • From The Last Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Tue Dec 31 10:40:20 2024
    On 31/12/2024 09:10, Blueshirt wrote:
    Something different from Blueshirt Mansions this morning, a "Joy
    to the World" review from a semi-religious point of view... from
    a highly educated Christian blogger who likes Doctor Who. (Dave
    might even find it informative!)

    Take it away Professor McGrath...

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2024/12/doctor-who-joy-to-the-world.html

    There's an interesting point on chronology here which works in the
    Whoniverse but sadly for Dave, not in the real world.


    The episode shows the Star as in year "0001". Historical cues in the Bible
    have the birth of Jesus in Matthew as no later than 4BC, but in Luke as no
    earlier

    --
    There’s no point in being grown up if you can’t act a little childish
    sometimes.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Tue Dec 31 23:18:21 2024
    Blueshirt wrote on 31/12/24 8:10 pm:
    Something different from Blueshirt Mansions this morning, a "Joy
    to the World" review from a semi-religious point of view... from
    a highly educated Christian blogger who likes Doctor Who. (Dave
    might even find it informative!)

    Take it away Professor McGrath...

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2024/12/doctor-who-joy-to-the-world.html

    Quote from that article ....
    'Just as a reminder, this was not the first visit of the Doctor to
    Bethlehem. Indeed, there may be multiple Doctors visiting this moment,
    if this episode provides a clue. The Doctor says in “Voyage of the
    Damned” that he was there for the first Christmas and “got the last room.”'
    End Quote

    So could we have a future 'Doctor Who' Christmas storyline where,
    perhaps, the 'Three Wise Men'/'Maji from the East' are, in fact,
    (another) three incarnations of The Doctor (as well as the other Doctor incarnations we've seen there before)??

    You read it here first!!
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Last Doctor on Tue Dec 31 13:56:40 2024
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    On 31/12/2024 09:10, Blueshirt wrote:
    Something different from Blueshirt Mansions this morning, a
    "Joy to the World" review from a semi-religious point of
    view... from a highly educated Christian blogger who likes
    Doctor Who. (Dave might even find it informative!)

    Take it away Professor McGrath...


    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2024/12/doctor-who-joy-to-the-world.html

    There's an interesting point on chronology here which works in
    the Whoniverse but sadly for Dave, not in the real world.

    Yeah, but Dave and the real world don't really have a lot in
    common do they? ;-)

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 31 14:28:08 2024
    Daniel70 wrote:

    Quote from that article ....

    'Just as a reminder, this was not the first visit of the
    Doctor to Bethlehem. Indeed, there may be multiple Doctors
    visiting this moment, if this episode provides a clue. The
    Doctor says in “Voyage of the Damned” that he was there for
    the first Christmas and “got the last room.”' End Quote

    So could we have a future 'Doctor Who' Christmas storyline
    where, perhaps, the 'Three Wise Men'/'Maji from the East' are,
    in fact, (another) three incarnations of The Doctor (as well
    as the other Doctor incarnations we've seen there before)??

    Biblical Magi: The Gospel of RTD (v2:S15) speaks of Magi, or the
    three wise Time Lords, who followed a fat bird in the sky to
    Bethlehem in search of the newly regenerated Master. There they
    found Missy with the baby Master and offered him gifts of a
    Cyberman's head, a Dalek sink-plunger and a sonic screwdriver.

    You read it here first!!

    Check your Inbox for an e-mail from the BBC... it's a great idea.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Last Doctor on Tue Dec 31 15:17:08 2024
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    On 31/12/2024 10:40, The Last Doctor wrote:
    On 31/12/2024 09:10, Blueshirt wrote:

    Take it away Professor McGrath...


    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2024/12/doctor-who-joy-to-the-world.html

    There's an interesting point on chronology here which works
    in the Whoniverse but sadly for Dave, not in the real world.

    The episode shows the Star as in year "0001". Historical
    cues in the Bible have the birth of Jesus in Matthew as no
    later than 4BC, but in Luke as no earlier

    ... grr sorry ...

    No earlier than 6AD (a ten year difference, one of the bigger
    contradictions in the Bible that prove it is not inerrant in
    any translation or edition as it's full of internal
    contradictions and issues like this).

    Please don't say that there are contradictions in the Bible! The
    last time I said that here a few years ago it started a big
    'discussion'... let's try and start 2025 on a harmonious note!

    But in the Whoniverse, history is always being rewritten and
    traces of what has never been get left behind in the next
    iteration.

    Some might even say real history gets rewritten from time to
    time as more evidence is found and some theories get proved
    wrong. In a fictional TV show like Doctor Who that sort of thing
    is just called change, unless it's a really big change, in which
    case we say RETCON! :-)

    So what if - Jesus was born in 1 or 2 BC in the current
    ("mavity") timeline - thus the wise men turning up in 0001
    (AD). But the book of Matthew comes from the universe where
    Jesus was born in 4BC and the Doctor worked with UNIT in the
    70s ... but the book of Luke comes from a universe where Jesus
    was born in 6AD and the Doctor worked with UNIT in the 80s ...
    which of course were the same events ...

    I had to re-read that a few times...

    BUT, we really do need an explanation for the "mavity" thing...
    it's getting a bit silly now just throwing it around in episodes
    and nobody questioning it. "Wild Blue Yonder" was a year ago
    [December 2023] and the next season of Doctor Who won't be aired
    for a few months yet, at least... so say Spring 2025. Dragging
    the "mavity" joke-thing on for that amount of time seems a bit
    pointless to me. I'm sure it will all make sense when it's
    resolved, but at the moment I think it's just silly.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Tue Dec 31 16:13:09 2024
    In article <xn0ov7tao1eruad000@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    On 31/12/2024 09:10, Blueshirt wrote:
    Something different from Blueshirt Mansions this morning, a
    "Joy to the World" review from a semi-religious point of
    view... from a highly educated Christian blogger who likes
    Doctor Who. (Dave might even find it informative!)

    Take it away Professor McGrath...

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2024/12/doctor-who-joy-to-the-world.html

    There's an interesting point on chronology here which works in
    the Whoniverse but sadly for Dave, not in the real world.

    Yeah, but Dave and the real world don't really have a lot in
    common do they? ;-)

    Look who is talking?
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Tue Dec 31 16:14:09 2024
    In article <xn0ov7u611fw3v9004@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    Quote from that article ....

    'Just as a reminder, this was not the first visit of the
    Doctor to Bethlehem. Indeed, there may be multiple Doctors
    visiting this moment, if this episode provides a clue. The
    Doctor says in “Voyage of the Damned” that he was there for
    the first Christmas and “got the last room.”' End Quote

    So could we have a future 'Doctor Who' Christmas storyline
    where, perhaps, the 'Three Wise Men'/'Maji from the East' are,
    in fact, (another) three incarnations of The Doctor (as well
    as the other Doctor incarnations we've seen there before)??

    Biblical Magi: The Gospel of RTD (v2:S15) speaks of Magi, or the
    three wise Time Lords, who followed a fat bird in the sky to
    Bethlehem in search of the newly regenerated Master. There they
    found Missy with the baby Master and offered him gifts of a
    Cyberman's head, a Dalek sink-plunger and a sonic screwdriver.

    You read it here first!!

    Check your Inbox for an e-mail from the BBC... it's a great idea.

    The Gospel of RTD must contain the retconning of the Timeless Child!
    --
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    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Tue Dec 31 16:06:39 2024
    In article <xn0ov7lth14iz1v000@post.eweka.nl>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Something different from Blueshirt Mansions this morning, a "Joy
    to the World" review from a semi-religious point of view... from
    a highly educated Christian blogger who likes Doctor Who. (Dave
    might even find it informative!)

    Take it away Professor McGrath...

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2024/12/doctor-who-joy-to-the-world.html

    Thank you!!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
    Merry Christmas 2024 and Happy New Year 2025

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