• Alan Turing Cryptography Competition

    From David Entwistle@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 14 09:43:42 2025
    "The Alan Turing Cryptography Competition is aimed at secondary school
    children in the UK up to Year 11 (England and Wales), S4 (Scotland), Year
    12 (Northern Ireland). You don't need to be a computer whizz or a
    mathematical genius — you just need to keep your wits about you and be
    good at solving problems!"

    Although based around ciphers and cryptography, the competition presents
    the questions as puzzles and may be of interest to some here. It has just started, so Chapter 1 is available now.

    https://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/cryptography/

    --
    David Entwistle

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  • From David Entwistle@21:1/5 to Mike Terry on Wed Feb 26 19:00:16 2025
    On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 00:58:09 +0000, Mike Terry wrote:

    And then the problems start - the question wording combined with the web
    page instructions are REALLY unclear. It must have taken me about 30 attempts at different interpretations (plus I realised I had overlooked something in my first attempted answer). Frankly, for a web-site like
    this the challenge is supposed to be in the encryption/decryption,
    right?
    Not in spending half an hour working out by trial/error what format text string the answer page is coded to accept... :/

    Yes, a similar experience here. It's a good effort and I'm enjoying the
    Alan Turing Cryptography Competition and Mathsbombe

    The National Cipher Challenge< from the University of Southampton, is on a different level, and you may enjoy that more. However, I still sense, with
    the NCC, that there is some sort of meltdown going on with the
    competitors, as the problems continue to get harder and harder, and the competitors get more and more frustrated.

    Setting clear and concise puzzles is certainly not easy. Even basic communication, over the Internet, is fraught with difficulties and
    challenges. It is good that Manchester University are giving it a go.

    I should make more effort myself...
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    David Entwistle

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  • From Mike Terry@21:1/5 to David Entwistle on Mon Feb 24 00:58:09 2025
    On 20/02/2025 19:20, David Entwistle wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 18:49:46 +0000, Mike Terry wrote:

    Well, I haven't decrypted anything yet.
    Then again I've not made a really serious effort - I saw that it looked
    like one of those "permuted block" cyphers where you write the text into
    a block in one order and extract it in a different order. I tried a
    couple of obvious possibilities then got discouraged when they didn't
    work out. There are literally hundreds of possibilities I could try, but
    don't really have the time right now...

    Yes, it's all just for fun. The clue provided may help a bit with the particular permutation.

    "M: Groan. This one will get you in a spin. If you get mixed up. Take a
    deep breath and count to three"...


    LOL I got the web page to accept my answer finally. Deciphering the question didn't take too long,
    although even now I don't exactly understand how the permutation pattern is generated. (..but the
    deciphered text is clear at least.)

    And then the problems start - the question wording combined with the web page instructions are
    REALLY unclear. It must have taken me about 30 attempts at different interpretations (plus I
    realised I had overlooked something in my first attempted answer). Frankly, for a web-site like
    this the challenge is supposed to be in the encryption/decryption, right? Not in spending half an
    hour working out by trial/error what format text string the answer page is coded to accept... :/


    Mike.

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  • From David Entwistle@21:1/5 to David Entwistle on Wed Feb 19 10:01:04 2025
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 09:43:42 -0000 (UTC), David Entwistle wrote:

    Although based around ciphers and cryptography, the competition presents
    the questions as puzzles and may be of interest to some here. It has
    just started, so Chapter 1 is available now.

    https://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/cryptography/

    If anyone is trying these puzzles, The clue and answer to the Chapter 4 question have been corrected this morning.

    --
    David Entwistle

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  • From Mike Terry@21:1/5 to David Entwistle on Wed Feb 19 19:51:44 2025
    On 19/02/2025 10:01, David Entwistle wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 09:43:42 -0000 (UTC), David Entwistle wrote:

    Although based around ciphers and cryptography, the competition presents
    the questions as puzzles and may be of interest to some here. It has
    just started, so Chapter 1 is available now.

    https://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/cryptography/

    If anyone is trying these puzzles, The clue and answer to the Chapter 4 question have been corrected this morning.


    ?? It looks exactly the same as before to me. What was changed?
    (I have not found the answer to this one yet.)

    Mike.

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  • From David Entwistle@21:1/5 to Mike Terry on Thu Feb 20 08:35:14 2025
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 19:51:44 +0000, Mike Terry wrote:

    ?? It looks exactly the same as before to me. What was changed?
    (I have not found the answer to this one yet.)

    I'd give it another go with any answer you may have tried previously...

    I couldn't find an answer that was accepted, despite having the decrypt
    for more than a week, so got in touch. They replied "Apologies. We had a
    typo in our solution and in the clue. These have now been corrected and
    your (correct) answer should now work".

    You'll also see on the web page "19th February 2025: Answer corrected".

    Not sure how the problem was solved in ten minutes of going live, if they didn't have the right answer themselves. I guess that was just a fluke.

    The clue was just a bit mangled and read "M: Groan. This one is more will
    get you in a spin. If you get mixed up. Take a deep breath and count to
    three". It has now been corrected to read correctly.

    The maths element is more difficult than the cipher - for me anyway.







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    David Entwistle

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  • From Mike Terry@21:1/5 to David Entwistle on Thu Feb 20 18:49:46 2025
    On 20/02/2025 08:35, David Entwistle wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 19:51:44 +0000, Mike Terry wrote:

    ?? It looks exactly the same as before to me. What was changed?
    (I have not found the answer to this one yet.)

    I'd give it another go with any answer you may have tried previously...

    I couldn't find an answer that was accepted, despite having the decrypt
    for more than a week, so got in touch. They replied "Apologies. We had a
    typo in our solution and in the clue. These have now been corrected and
    your (correct) answer should now work".

    You'll also see on the web page "19th February 2025: Answer corrected".

    Not sure how the problem was solved in ten minutes of going live, if they didn't have the right answer themselves. I guess that was just a fluke.

    The clue was just a bit mangled and read "M: Groan. This one is more will
    get you in a spin. If you get mixed up. Take a deep breath and count to three". It has now been corrected to read correctly.

    hmm, at the time I posted my browser was still showing the original text! Guess it's my browser
    cacheing the old web page or something. The new text shows when I look now.

    The maths element is more difficult than the cipher - for me anyway.


    Well, I haven't decrypted anything yet. :)
    Then again I've not made a really serious effort - I saw that it looked like one of those "permuted
    block" cyphers where you write the text into a block in one order and extract it in a different
    order. I tried a couple of obvious possibilities then got discouraged when they didn't work out.
    There are literally hundreds of possibilities I could try, but don't really have the time right now...


    Mike.

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  • From David Entwistle@21:1/5 to Mike Terry on Thu Feb 20 19:20:46 2025
    On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 18:49:46 +0000, Mike Terry wrote:

    Well, I haven't decrypted anything yet.
    Then again I've not made a really serious effort - I saw that it looked
    like one of those "permuted block" cyphers where you write the text into
    a block in one order and extract it in a different order. I tried a
    couple of obvious possibilities then got discouraged when they didn't
    work out. There are literally hundreds of possibilities I could try, but don't really have the time right now...

    Yes, it's all just for fun. The clue provided may help a bit with the particular permutation.

    "M: Groan. This one will get you in a spin. If you get mixed up. Take a
    deep breath and count to three"...

    --
    David Entwistle

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