https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination Attempt Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to show a
bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>


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On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination Attempt Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to show a
bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

Good shutter-finger response !

geoff

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On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to show a
bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

Good shutter-finger response !

geoff

response to what ? - the sound of the gunshot ?

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On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination Attempt >>> Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to show
a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

Good shutter-finger response !

geoff

response to what ? - the sound of the gunshot ?

No, photographer's shutter-finger response to the sound of the shooter inhalation of breath prior to the shot.

geoff

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On 2024-07-24 03:45, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination Attempt >>> Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to show
a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

Good shutter-finger response !

geoff

response to what ? - the sound of the gunshot ?

I don't think that was a serious statement. Do you?

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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
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On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination
Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to show
a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

Good shutter-finger response !

geoff

response to what ? - the sound of the gunshot ?

No, photographer's shutter-finger response to the sound of the shooter inhalation of breath prior to the shot.

geoff

ROFL.

The NYT photog was just blasting away on the shutter. Lucky catch.

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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination
Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to
show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

Good shutter-finger response !

geoff

response to what ? - the sound of the gunshot ?

No, photographer's shutter-finger response to the sound of the shooter
inhalation of breath prior to the shot.

geoff

ROFL.

The NYT photog was just blasting away on the shutter.  Lucky catch.

There are doubts whether Trump was shot by a bullett or a shrapnel.

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:48:59 +0000, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination
Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to
show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

Good shutter-finger response !

geoff

response to what ? - the sound of the gunshot ?

No, photographer's shutter-finger response to the sound of the shooter
inhalation of breath prior to the shot.

geoff

ROFL.

The NYT photog was just blasting away on the shutter.  Lucky catch.

There are doubts whether Trump was shot by a bullett or a shrapnel.

if that was a bullet trail and not some other digital artifact added
later.

but as trump seems uninjured in the pic, it couldnt have been the bullet whatever that hit him. as the title suggest it went past him ie it
missed.
And after all the mystery surrounding JFK, are they 100% sure the bullet
that
hit him came from the boys gun?

mike

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On 2024-07-25 20:03, miked wrote:

if that was a bullet trail and not some other digital artifact added
later.

Baseless speculation. When a shutter is open, moving things streak.

but as trump seems uninjured in the pic, it couldnt have been the bullet whatever that hit him. as the title suggest it went past him ie it
missed.

ROFL. The streak in the photo is about 1 to 2 8-thousandths of a
second. The message (had he been hit by that shot) may have reached his "brain", but reactions take much longer.

Also it was his right ear that was hit - behind Trump's head in the
photo linked above.

And after all the mystery surrounding JFK, are they 100% sure the bullet
that
hit him came from the boys gun?

Why bring up the JFK assassination?

I haven't seen a report yet, but at some point the bullet that hit the
dead fire chief (ret) will likely be matched to the weapon.

(One fact though - the shooter apparently did "research" over the
distances, etc., involved at Dallas).

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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
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On 2024-07-25 15:48, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

The NYT photog was just blasting away on the shutter.  Lucky catch.

There are doubts whether Trump was shot by a bullett or a shrapnel.

Shrapnel?
I doubt it - that's where the shooter was throwing the death lead.

Shooter got off 8 rounds (by casing count).

Looking at the length of the streak of the bullet, it's at full
speed(ish) for 1/8000s. (Don't know if that is the one that nicked
Trump though).

One good man killed protecting his family. Others wounded. Troubled
shooter shot to death. (Wish he had been caught).

One astounding photo of Trump with his fist defiantly in the air; blood
on his cheeks, triumphant having cheated death.

So, while wearing a useless bandage on the ear, let's nominate JD Vance
for VP at the convocation to the Temple of bad judgement and bad taste
called the Republican't convention.

"I know it's hard to believe but turns out Trump's VP pick is a
Machiavellian sycophant with less Integrity than a Boeing 737."
-Trae Crowder - July 16.

Biden drops out.

Harris bypasses a mini primary ("there's no time") and will be nominated
by (effective) acclamation.

And Trump is having buyer's remorse over the dead weight named Vance.
Don Jr is surely in the dog house now.

USSS chief resigns (before the investigations are complete - politics
after all).

I have to admit that Americans can be entertaining when they put their
"best" to it.

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"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
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On 26/07/2024 01:03, miked wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:48:59 +0000, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination >>>>>>> Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image >>>>>>> captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to
show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >> >>>>>>>

Good shutter-finger response !

geoff

response to what ? - the sound of the gunshot ?

No, photographer's shutter-finger response to the sound of the shooter >>>> inhalation of breath prior to the shot.

geoff

ROFL.

The NYT photog was just blasting away on the shutter.  Lucky catch.

There are doubts whether Trump was shot by a bullett or a shrapnel.

if that was a bullet trail and not some other digital artifact added
later.

but as trump seems uninjured in the pic, it couldnt have been the bullet whatever that hit him. as the title suggest it went past him ie it
missed.
And after all the mystery surrounding JFK, are they 100% sure the bullet
that
hit him came from the boys gun?

mike

Am I the only person in here who is wondering why a "professional"
photographer would be shooting a practically static subject at 1/8000th
of a second ?

Apart from the shutter speed and the fact that it was a "Sony" camera,
the article does seem a bit short on technical detail - its quite
remarkable that theres no mention of the lens aperture or the ASA rating.

I just tried my Canon DSLR at 1/8000th in bright daylight, and to get a reasonable exposure I needed to set the camera for 16,000 ASA - you can
imagine what the image quality was like.

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On 2024-07-28 04:11, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 26/07/2024 01:03, miked wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:48:59 +0000, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination >>>>>>>> Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image >>>>>>>> captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to >>>>>>>> show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

<<S>>

Am I the only person in here who is wondering why a "professional" photographer would be shooting a practically static subject at 1/8000th
of a second ?

Why not? He's shooting free hand at a subject that is gesticulating[1]
and moving behind the lectern. Plus the photog is moving around a lot
and need to compensate for that too.

Wants a fairly good DOF as well.

Apart from the shutter speed and the fact that it was a "Sony" camera,
the article does seem a bit short on technical detail - its quite
remarkable that theres no mention of the lens aperture or the ASA rating.

ASA? <derisive snicker>

I just tried my Canon DSLR at 1/8000th in bright daylight, and to get a reasonable exposure I needed to set the camera for 16,000 ASA - you can imagine what the image quality was like.

Funny for someone going on about technical detail that you didn't
mention the aperture.

Let's see, some basic exposure math based on old-school sunny-16:

ISO 100 - 1/125 - f/16

Leave it at f/16 you're only 6 stops to 1/8000 <-> ISO 6400.

IOW, no big deal with today's sensors, noise-wise.

And if you trade that 6400 to 3200 and open up to f/11 - still decent
DOF and less noise again.

Keep trading f/8 (bottom of the sweet spot, decent DOF) ISO 1600.
Little noise with today's sensor.

For the above I used sunny-16 as a rule - but could easily play 1 stop
either way depending on the camera used (sensor).

ASA? ROFL.

[1] https://youtu.be/QAxfBHelonw


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On 28/07/2024 16:03, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 04:11, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 26/07/2024 01:03, miked wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:48:59 +0000, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination >>>>>>>>> Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image >>>>>>>>> captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to >>>>>>>>> show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

<<S>>

Am I the only person in here who is wondering why a "professional"
photographer would be shooting a practically static subject at
1/8000th of a second ?

Why not?  He's shooting free hand at a subject that is gesticulating[1]
and moving behind the lectern.   Plus the photog is moving around a lot
and need to compensate for that too.

Wants a fairly good DOF as well.

Apart from the shutter speed and the fact that it was a "Sony" camera,
the article does seem a bit short on technical detail - its quite
remarkable that theres no mention of the lens aperture or the ASA rating.

ASA?  <derisive snicker>

I just tried my Canon DSLR at 1/8000th in bright daylight, and to get
a reasonable exposure I needed to set the camera for 16,000 ASA - you
can imagine what the image quality was like.

Funny for someone going on about technical detail that you didn't
mention the aperture.

Let's see, some basic exposure math based on old-school sunny-16:

ISO 100 - 1/125 - f/16

Leave it at f/16 you're only 6 stops to 1/8000 <-> ISO 6400.

IOW, no big deal with today's sensors, noise-wise.

And if you trade that 6400 to 3200 and open up to f/11 - still decent
DOF and less noise again.

Keep trading f/8 (bottom of the sweet spot, decent DOF) ISO 1600. Little noise with today's sensor.

For the above I used sunny-16 as a rule - but could easily play 1 stop
either way depending on the camera used (sensor).

ASA?  ROFL.

[1] https://youtu.be/QAxfBHelonw

Sorry - I didnt realise I was "going on"

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On 2024-07-28 11:21, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 28/07/2024 16:03, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 04:11, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 26/07/2024 01:03, miked wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:48:59 +0000, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination >>>>>>>>>> Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image >>>>>>>>>> captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to >>>>>>>>>> show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump. >>

<<S>>

Am I the only person in here who is wondering why a "professional"
photographer would be shooting a practically static subject at
1/8000th of a second ? [AAA]

Why not?  He's shooting free hand at a subject that is
gesticulating[1] and moving behind the lectern.   Plus the photog is
moving around a lot and need to compensate for that too.

Wants a fairly good DOF as well.

Apart from the shutter speed and the fact that it was a "Sony"
camera, the article does seem a bit short on technical detail - its
quite remarkable that theres no mention of the lens aperture or the
ASA rating. [BBB]

ASA?  <derisive snicker>

I just tried my Canon DSLR at 1/8000th in bright daylight, and to get
a reasonable exposure I needed to set the camera for 16,000 ASA - you [CCC]
can imagine what the image quality was like.

Funny for someone going on about technical detail that you didn't
mention the aperture.

Let's see, some basic exposure math based on old-school sunny-16:

ISO 100 - 1/125 - f/16

Leave it at f/16 you're only 6 stops to 1/8000 <-> ISO 6400.

IOW, no big deal with today's sensors, noise-wise.

And if you trade that 6400 to 3200 and open up to f/11 - still decent
DOF and less noise again.

Keep trading f/8 (bottom of the sweet spot, decent DOF) ISO 1600.
Little noise with today's sensor.

For the above I used sunny-16 as a rule - but could easily play 1 stop
either way depending on the camera used (sensor).

ASA?  ROFL.

[1] https://youtu.be/QAxfBHelonw

Sorry - I didnt realise I was "going on"

See labels above [AAA] (starts technical detail), [BBB] continues
detail, [CCC] "going on" with the detail.

Nothing to be sorry about, but will all that detail you left out ... a
detail.

Otherwise I hope the details I provided satisfy you.

And BTW the professional who shot the photo is indeed a professional,
not a "professional".

--
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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 28/07/2024 20:18, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 11:21, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 28/07/2024 16:03, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 04:11, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 26/07/2024 01:03, miked wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:48:59 +0000, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in Assassination >>>>>>>>>>> Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the image >>>>>>>>>>> captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to >>>>>>>>>>> show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J.
Trump. >>

<<S>>

Am I the only person in here who is wondering why a "professional"
photographer would be shooting a practically static subject at
1/8000th of a second ? [AAA]

Why not?  He's shooting free hand at a subject that is
gesticulating[1] and moving behind the lectern.   Plus the photog is
moving around a lot and need to compensate for that too.

Wants a fairly good DOF as well.

Apart from the shutter speed and the fact that it was a "Sony"
camera, the article does seem a bit short on technical detail - its
quite remarkable that theres no mention of the lens aperture or the
ASA rating.  [BBB]

ASA?  <derisive snicker>

I just tried my Canon DSLR at 1/8000th in bright daylight, and to
get a reasonable exposure I needed to set the camera for 16,000 ASA
- you  [CCC]
can imagine what the image quality was like.

Funny for someone going on about technical detail that you didn't
mention the aperture.

Let's see, some basic exposure math based on old-school sunny-16:

ISO 100 - 1/125 - f/16

Leave it at f/16 you're only 6 stops to 1/8000 <-> ISO 6400.

IOW, no big deal with today's sensors, noise-wise.

And if you trade that 6400 to 3200 and open up to f/11 - still decent
DOF and less noise again.

Keep trading f/8 (bottom of the sweet spot, decent DOF) ISO 1600.
Little noise with today's sensor.

For the above I used sunny-16 as a rule - but could easily play 1
stop either way depending on the camera used (sensor).

ASA?  ROFL.

[1] https://youtu.be/QAxfBHelonw

Sorry - I didnt realise I was "going on"

See labels above [AAA] (starts technical detail), [BBB] continues
detail, [CCC] "going on" with the detail.

Nothing to be sorry about, but will all that detail you left out ... a detail.

Otherwise I hope the details I provided satisfy you.

And BTW the professional who shot the photo is indeed a professional,
not a "professional".

keep going on

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On 2024-07-28 17:16, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 28/07/2024 20:18, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 11:21, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 28/07/2024 16:03, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 04:11, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 26/07/2024 01:03, miked wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:48:59 +0000, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in
Assassination
Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the >>>>>>>>>>>> image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, seems to >>>>>>>>>>>> show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. >>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. >>

<<S>>

Am I the only person in here who is wondering why a "professional"
photographer would be shooting a practically static subject at
1/8000th of a second ? [AAA]

Why not?  He's shooting free hand at a subject that is
gesticulating[1] and moving behind the lectern.   Plus the photog is >>>> moving around a lot and need to compensate for that too.

Wants a fairly good DOF as well.

Apart from the shutter speed and the fact that it was a "Sony"
camera, the article does seem a bit short on technical detail - its
quite remarkable that theres no mention of the lens aperture or the
ASA rating.  [BBB]

ASA?  <derisive snicker>

I just tried my Canon DSLR at 1/8000th in bright daylight, and to
get a reasonable exposure I needed to set the camera for 16,000 ASA
- you  [CCC]
can imagine what the image quality was like.

Funny for someone going on about technical detail that you didn't
mention the aperture.

Let's see, some basic exposure math based on old-school sunny-16:

ISO 100 - 1/125 - f/16

Leave it at f/16 you're only 6 stops to 1/8000 <-> ISO 6400.

IOW, no big deal with today's sensors, noise-wise.

And if you trade that 6400 to 3200 and open up to f/11 - still
decent DOF and less noise again.

Keep trading f/8 (bottom of the sweet spot, decent DOF) ISO 1600.
Little noise with today's sensor.

For the above I used sunny-16 as a rule - but could easily play 1
stop either way depending on the camera used (sensor).

ASA?  ROFL.

[1] https://youtu.be/QAxfBHelonw

Sorry - I didnt realise I was "going on"

See labels above [AAA] (starts technical detail), [BBB] continues
detail, [CCC] "going on" with the detail.

Nothing to be sorry about, but will all that detail you left out ... a
detail.

Otherwise I hope the details I provided satisfy you.

And BTW the professional who shot the photo is indeed a professional,
not a "professional".

keep going on

Ah, so you laid an egg and failed to hatch it.

Got it.

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Winston Churchill

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On 28/07/2024 22:44, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 17:16, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 28/07/2024 20:18, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 11:21, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 28/07/2024 16:03, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 04:11, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 26/07/2024 01:03, miked wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:48:59 +0000, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in
Assassination
Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the >>>>>>>>>>>>> image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to
show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. >>

<<S>>

Am I the only person in here who is wondering why a "professional" >>>>>> photographer would be shooting a practically static subject at
1/8000th of a second ? [AAA]

Why not?  He's shooting free hand at a subject that is
gesticulating[1] and moving behind the lectern.   Plus the photog
is moving around a lot and need to compensate for that too.

Wants a fairly good DOF as well.

Apart from the shutter speed and the fact that it was a "Sony"
camera, the article does seem a bit short on technical detail -
its quite remarkable that theres no mention of the lens aperture
or the ASA rating.  [BBB]

ASA?  <derisive snicker>

I just tried my Canon DSLR at 1/8000th in bright daylight, and to
get a reasonable exposure I needed to set the camera for 16,000
ASA - you  [CCC]
can imagine what the image quality was like.

Funny for someone going on about technical detail that you didn't
mention the aperture.

Let's see, some basic exposure math based on old-school sunny-16:

ISO 100 - 1/125 - f/16

Leave it at f/16 you're only 6 stops to 1/8000 <-> ISO 6400.

IOW, no big deal with today's sensors, noise-wise.

And if you trade that 6400 to 3200 and open up to f/11 - still
decent DOF and less noise again.

Keep trading f/8 (bottom of the sweet spot, decent DOF) ISO 1600.
Little noise with today's sensor.

For the above I used sunny-16 as a rule - but could easily play 1
stop either way depending on the camera used (sensor).

ASA?  ROFL.

[1] https://youtu.be/QAxfBHelonw

Sorry - I didnt realise I was "going on"

See labels above [AAA] (starts technical detail), [BBB] continues
detail, [CCC] "going on" with the detail.

Nothing to be sorry about, but will all that detail you left out ...
a detail.

Otherwise I hope the details I provided satisfy you.

And BTW the professional who shot the photo is indeed a professional,
not a "professional".

keep going on

Ah, so you laid an egg and failed to hatch it.

Got it.

no, you dont get it

I asked a question, and you didnt answer it.

I even used a question mark to make it easy for you.

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On 2024-07-28 17:59, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 28/07/2024 22:44, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 17:16, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 28/07/2024 20:18, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 11:21, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 28/07/2024 16:03, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-07-28 04:11, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 26/07/2024 01:03, miked wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:48:59 +0000, Arcanauta wrote:

Il 25/07/2024 20:04, Alan Browne ha scritto:

On 2024-07-24 20:06, Geoff wrote:

On 24/07/2024 7:45 pm, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 14/07/2024 22:53, Geoff wrote:

On 15/07/2024 12:41 am, Alan Browne wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/photo-path-trump-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E0.iSuZ.18TjxlOqrmN6&smid=url-share

<< Photo Appears to Capture Path of Bullet Used in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assassination
Attempt
Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent, said the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> image
captured by Doug Mills, a New York Times photographer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to
show a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. >>

<<S>>

Am I the only person in here who is wondering why a
"professional" photographer would be shooting a practically
static subject at 1/8000th of a second ? [AAA]

Why not?  He's shooting free hand at a subject that is
gesticulating[1] and moving behind the lectern.   Plus the photog >>>>>> is moving around a lot and need to compensate for that too.

Wants a fairly good DOF as well.

Apart from the shutter speed and the fact that it was a "Sony"
camera, the article does seem a bit short on technical detail -
its quite remarkable that theres no mention of the lens aperture >>>>>>> or the ASA rating.  [BBB]

ASA?  <derisive snicker>

I just tried my Canon DSLR at 1/8000th in bright daylight, and to >>>>>>> get a reasonable exposure I needed to set the camera for 16,000
ASA - you  [CCC]
can imagine what the image quality was like.

Funny for someone going on about technical detail that you didn't
mention the aperture.

Let's see, some basic exposure math based on old-school sunny-16:

ISO 100 - 1/125 - f/16

Leave it at f/16 you're only 6 stops to 1/8000 <-> ISO 6400.

IOW, no big deal with today's sensors, noise-wise.

And if you trade that 6400 to 3200 and open up to f/11 - still
decent DOF and less noise again.

Keep trading f/8 (bottom of the sweet spot, decent DOF) ISO 1600.
Little noise with today's sensor.

For the above I used sunny-16 as a rule - but could easily play 1
stop either way depending on the camera used (sensor).

ASA?  ROFL.

[1] https://youtu.be/QAxfBHelonw

Sorry - I didnt realise I was "going on"

See labels above [AAA] (starts technical detail), [BBB] continues
detail, [CCC] "going on" with the detail.

Nothing to be sorry about, but will all that detail you left out ...
a detail.

Otherwise I hope the details I provided satisfy you.

And BTW the professional who shot the photo is indeed a
professional, not a "professional".

keep going on

Ah, so you laid an egg and failed to hatch it.

Got it.

no, you dont get it

I asked a question, and you didnt answer it.

I even used a question mark to make it easy for you.

I answered your question with a simple technical explanation:

- don't need that high an ISO setting
- 1 stop tolerance either way
- ASA is a dead term
- clarified that the photographer was indeed a professional
- he was shooting freehand while moving around at a subject that is not standing still.

Given all that and your obtuse replies, I guess the real conclusion is
you are a troll.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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