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On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the
past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an
oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay
what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will
grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three
years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will
not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking
decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-
cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods.
Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering
their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political
issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or Dilma
tried to
they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is
illegal here. But
the justice system still from the far right 1964 US-
Brazilian Military
coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely rare
for someone
"outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been convicted
to jail.
Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho-
escravo-e-trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done.
That page is
an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They
haven't
invented machines that can do that automatically. Nestle,
JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing
workers in
the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They charge
more for food
than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never
resign, not until
he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they said
that the
workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was
happening. LOL.
And of course, there are no unions in the
agricultural area,
so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low
salaries, but
the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical
care, sick pay,
accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we
do here. Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END
slavery and he was a Republican. The left, "Democrats"
were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated by
the democrat party up until the passage of the Civil Rights
Act. Now the slave states are dominated by republicans. If
you're going to attempt to give a non-American a lesson in
American history, you'd do well to not lie by omissions.
On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big >>>>>> corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it. >>>>>> Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's >>>>>> sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow >>>>>> planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the >>>>>> future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar- cane farms are >>>>>> far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't >>>>>> have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education. >>>>>> They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or Dilma tried to
they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is illegal here. But
the justice system still from the far right 1964 US- Brazilian Military >>>> coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely rare for someone
"outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been convicted to jail.
Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho- escravo-e-
trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done. That page is >>>> an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They haven't
invented machines that can do that automatically. Nestle, JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing workers in >>>> the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They charge more for food >>>> than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never resign, not until
he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they said that the
workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was happening. LOL.
And of course, there are no unions in the agricultural area,
so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low salaries, but
the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical care, sick pay,
accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we do here.
Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END slavery and he was a
Republican. The left, "Democrats" were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated by the
democrat party up until the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Now the
slave states are dominated by republicans. If you're going to attempt
to give a non-American a lesson in American history, you'd do well to
not lie by omissions.
Complex thought, that.
The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s through 1960s was
driven by Republicans in Congress, notably Mr Dirksen, despite an epic Democrat Party filibuster and other impedimenta. There were powerful passionate Members on both sides in both parties, although decisively
more Republicans to secure passage.
On 5/12/2025 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar,
which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the
past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an
oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to
pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing
will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In
three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will
not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking
decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-
cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy
methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering
their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else
interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political
issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or
Dilma tried to
they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is
illegal here. But
the justice system still from the far right 1964 US-
Brazilian Military
coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely
rare for someone
"outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been
convicted to jail.
Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho-
escravo-e- trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done.
That page is
an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They
haven't
invented machines that can do that automatically.
Nestle, JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing
workers in
the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They
charge more for food
than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never
resign, not until
he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they
said that the
workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was
happening. LOL.
And of course, there are no unions in the
agricultural area,
so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low
salaries, but
the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical
care, sick pay,
accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we
do here. Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END
slavery and he was a Republican. The left, "Democrats"
were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated
by the democrat party up until the passage of the Civil
Rights Act. Now the slave states are dominated by
republicans. If you're going to attempt to give a non-
American a lesson in American history, you'd do well to
not lie by omissions.
Complex thought, that.
The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s
through 1960s was driven by Republicans in Congress,
notably Mr Dirksen, despite an epic Democrat Party
filibuster and other impedimenta. There were powerful
passionate Members on both sides in both parties, although
decisively more Republicans to secure passage.
Right, and in those days republicans were the dominant party
in the former non-slave states. The roles of the democrat
and republican parties have largely reversed between the end
of the civil war and the passage of the civil rights act.
Claiming "Lincoln caused the civil war to END slavery and he
was a Republican. The left, "Democrats" were the
slaveholders" leaves a lot of the conversation.
On 5/12/2025 10:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120 >>>>>>>>> years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The >>>>>>>> "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they >>>>>>>> promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it. >>>>>>>> Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's >>>>>>>> sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow >>>>>>>> planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in >>>>>>>> the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar- cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines >>>>>>>> don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education. >>>>>>>> They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or Dilma tried to >>>>>> they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is illegal here. But >>>>>> the justice system still from the far right 1964 US- Brazilian
Military
coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely rare for someone >>>>>> "outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been convicted to jail. >>>>>> Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho- escravo-e-
trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done. That page is >>>>>> an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They haven't >>>>>> invented machines that can do that automatically. Nestle, JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing workers in >>>>>> the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They charge more for
food
than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never resign, not until >>>>>> he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they said that the >>>>>> workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was happening. LOL. >>>>>>
And of course, there are no unions in the agricultural area, >>>>>> so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low salaries, but >>>>>> the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical care, sick pay, >>>>>> accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we do here.
Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END slavery and he was a
Republican. The left, "Democrats" were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated by the
democrat party up until the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Now the
slave states are dominated by republicans. If you're going to
attempt to give a non- American a lesson in American history, you'd
do well to not lie by omissions.
Complex thought, that.
The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s through 1960s
was driven by Republicans in Congress, notably Mr Dirksen, despite an
epic Democrat Party filibuster and other impedimenta. There were
powerful passionate Members on both sides in both parties, although
decisively more Republicans to secure passage.
Right, and in those days republicans were the dominant party in the
former non-slave states. The roles of the democrat and republican
parties have largely reversed between the end of the civil war and the
passage of the civil rights act. Claiming "Lincoln caused the civil
war to END slavery and he was a Republican. The left, "Democrats" were
the slaveholders" leaves a lot of the conversation.
Not really. Democrats, as is typical, lost seats in 1962 but not in the solidly Dixiecrat South. Check the map:
https://united-states-government-simulation.fandom.com/ wiki/1962_United_States_Senate_Elections
On 5/12/2025 12:22 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/12/2025 10:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar,
which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the
past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with
that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an
oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to
pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing
will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In
three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government
will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan
thinking decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated
sugar- cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy
methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering
their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else
interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic
political issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or
Dilma tried to
they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is
illegal here. But
the justice system still from the far right 1964 US-
Brazilian Military
coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely
rare for someone
"outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been
convicted to jail.
Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho-
escravo-e- trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done.
That page is
an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves.
They haven't
invented machines that can do that automatically.
Nestle, JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind
eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for
handcuffing workers in
the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They
charge more for food
than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never
resign, not until
he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they
said that the
workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was
happening. LOL.
And of course, there are no unions in the
agricultural area,
so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low
salaries, but
the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical
care, sick pay,
accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than
we do here. Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to
END slavery and he was a Republican. The left,
"Democrats" were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated
by the democrat party up until the passage of the Civil
Rights Act. Now the slave states are dominated by
republicans. If you're going to attempt to give a non-
American a lesson in American history, you'd do well to
not lie by omissions.
Complex thought, that.
The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s
through 1960s was driven by Republicans in Congress,
notably Mr Dirksen, despite an epic Democrat Party
filibuster and other impedimenta. There were powerful
passionate Members on both sides in both parties,
although decisively more Republicans to secure passage.
Right, and in those days republicans were the dominant
party in the former non-slave states. The roles of the
democrat and republican parties have largely reversed
between the end of the civil war and the passage of the
civil rights act. Claiming "Lincoln caused the civil war
to END slavery and he was a Republican. The left,
"Democrats" were the slaveholders" leaves a lot of the
conversation.
Not really. Democrats, as is typical, lost seats in 1962
but not in the solidly Dixiecrat South. Check the map:
https://united-states-government-simulation.fandom.com/
wiki/1962_United_States_Senate_Elections
You're quibbling over the timeline. The Kennedy/Johnson
embracing of the 1964 civil rights act set the transition in
motion.