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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 9 15:06:05 2025
    Andrew, I was wrong and you were correct to a certain extent. Talking to Chris Robinson yesterday he told me that the calipers on my brakes had been recalled by Shimano and that was the problem. He is taking care of it. He said that he has a French tool
    for refacing the flats which is difficult to come by. He was too busy to question but I assume it is VAR. He said that neither Shimano or Park tools put the flats in the same plane but the French tool does.

    He said that he will have the components in next week and the brakes working shortly thereafter.

    The seat post components that I ordered Wednesday are coming in today and the same saddle that I have on the DeRosa Merak which seems to perfectly fit my sit bones is due next week. This one will have steek rails rather than carbon fiber so the Time
    seatpost will work better.

    Except for the BMC everything else is up for sale though thee is always the chance that I may keep the Basso Loto just for old time's sake.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Fri May 9 10:59:40 2025
    On 5/9/2025 10:06 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    Andrew, I was wrong and you were correct to a certain extent. Talking to Chris Robinson yesterday he told me that the calipers on my brakes had been recalled by Shimano and that was the problem. He is taking care of it. He said that he has a French
    tool for refacing the flats which is difficult to come by. He was too busy to question but I assume it is VAR. He said that neither Shimano or Park tools put the flats in the same plane but the French tool does.

    He said that he will have the components in next week and the brakes working shortly thereafter.

    The seat post components that I ordered Wednesday are coming in today and the same saddle that I have on the DeRosa Merak which seems to perfectly fit my sit bones is due next week. This one will have steek rails rather than carbon fiber so the Time
    seatpost will work better.

    Except for the BMC everything else is up for sale though thee is always the chance that I may keep the Basso Loto just for old time's sake.


    Hmmmmm.

    What is the Shimano part number on that? Something like
    BR-R8170. I can't find any notice of any hydraulic caliper
    recall by Shimano.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri May 9 16:57:31 2025
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 5/9/2025 10:06 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    Andrew, I was wrong and you were correct to a certain extent. Talking to
    Chris Robinson yesterday he told me that the calipers on my brakes had
    been recalled by Shimano and that was the problem. He is taking care of
    it. He said that he has a French tool for refacing the flats which is
    difficult to come by. He was too busy to question but I assume it is
    VAR. He said that neither Shimano or Park tools put the flats in the
    same plane but the French tool does.

    He said that he will have the components in next week and the brakes
    working shortly thereafter.

    The seat post components that I ordered Wednesday are coming in today
    and the same saddle that I have on the DeRosa Merak which seems to
    perfectly fit my sit bones is due next week. This one will have steek
    rails rather than carbon fiber so the Time seatpost will work better.

    Except for the BMC everything else is up for sale though thee is always
    the chance that I may keep the Basso Loto just for old time's sake.


    Hmmmmm.

    What is the Shimano part number on that? Something like
    BR-R8170. I can't find any notice of any hydraulic caliper
    recall by Shimano.


    Lost me as well!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri May 9 15:52:53 2025
    On Fri, 9 May 2025 10:59:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/9/2025 10:06 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    Andrew, I was wrong and you were correct to a certain extent. Talking to Chris Robinson yesterday he told me that the calipers on my brakes had been recalled by Shimano and that was the problem. He is taking care of it. He said that he has a French
    tool for refacing the flats which is difficult to come by. He was too busy to question but I assume it is VAR. He said that neither Shimano or Park tools put the flats in the same plane but the French tool does.

    He said that he will have the components in next week and the brakes working shortly thereafter.

    The seat post components that I ordered Wednesday are coming in today and the same saddle that I have on the DeRosa Merak which seems to perfectly fit my sit bones is due next week. This one will have steek rails rather than carbon fiber so the Time
    seatpost will work better.

    Except for the BMC everything else is up for sale though thee is always the chance that I may keep the Basso Loto just for old time's sake.


    Hmmmmm.

    What is the Shimano part number on that? Something like
    BR-R8170. I can't find any notice of any hydraulic caliper
    recall by Shimano.

    All I found is a mechanical disc brake caliper recall: <https://bike.shimano.com/en-NA/information/customer-services/corrective-actions/voluntary-recall---cx75-disc-brake-calipers-.html>

    "Shimano Hydraulic Brake Recall" <https://www.google.com/search?q=shimano%20hydraulic%20brake%20recall>
    If Google search can't find it, it doesn't exist.

    Someone else please ask Tom for the maker and model of the bicycle and
    brakes (both original and replacement). I'm too lazy to ask.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Sat May 10 04:37:46 2025
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 9 May 2025 10:59:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/9/2025 10:06 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    Andrew, I was wrong and you were correct to a certain extent. Talking
    to Chris Robinson yesterday he told me that the calipers on my brakes
    had been recalled by Shimano and that was the problem. He is taking
    care of it. He said that he has a French tool for refacing the flats
    which is difficult to come by. He was too busy to question but I assume
    it is VAR. He said that neither Shimano or Park tools put the flats in
    the same plane but the French tool does.

    He said that he will have the components in next week and the brakes
    working shortly thereafter.

    The seat post components that I ordered Wednesday are coming in today
    and the same saddle that I have on the DeRosa Merak which seems to
    perfectly fit my sit bones is due next week. This one will have steek
    rails rather than carbon fiber so the Time seatpost will work better.

    Except for the BMC everything else is up for sale though thee is always
    the chance that I may keep the Basso Loto just for old time's sake.


    Hmmmmm.

    What is the Shimano part number on that? Something like
    BR-R8170. I can't find any notice of any hydraulic caliper
    recall by Shimano.

    All I found is a mechanical disc brake caliper recall: <https://bike.shimano.com/en-NA/information/customer-services/corrective-actions/voluntary-recall---cx75-disc-brake-calipers-.html>

    "Shimano Hydraulic Brake Recall" <https://www.google.com/search?q=shimano%20hydraulic%20brake%20recall>
    If Google search can't find it, it doesn't exist.

    Someone else please ask Tom for the maker and model of the bicycle and
    brakes (both original and replacement). I'm too lazy to ask.


    The fact it’s not all over the cycling news sites or media let alone on
    their own website means I’m rather cynical about it!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Fri May 9 22:45:51 2025
    On 10 May 2025 04:37:46 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 9 May 2025 10:59:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/9/2025 10:06 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    Andrew, I was wrong and you were correct to a certain extent. Talking
    to Chris Robinson yesterday he told me that the calipers on my brakes
    had been recalled by Shimano and that was the problem. He is taking
    care of it. He said that he has a French tool for refacing the flats
    which is difficult to come by. He was too busy to question but I assume >>>> it is VAR. He said that neither Shimano or Park tools put the flats in >>>> the same plane but the French tool does.

    He said that he will have the components in next week and the brakes
    working shortly thereafter.

    The seat post components that I ordered Wednesday are coming in today
    and the same saddle that I have on the DeRosa Merak which seems to
    perfectly fit my sit bones is due next week. This one will have steek
    rails rather than carbon fiber so the Time seatpost will work better.

    Except for the BMC everything else is up for sale though thee is always >>>> the chance that I may keep the Basso Loto just for old time's sake.


    Hmmmmm.

    What is the Shimano part number on that? Something like
    BR-R8170. I can't find any notice of any hydraulic caliper
    recall by Shimano.

    All I found is a mechanical disc brake caliper recall:
    <https://bike.shimano.com/en-NA/information/customer-services/corrective-actions/voluntary-recall---cx75-disc-brake-calipers-.html>

    "Shimano Hydraulic Brake Recall"
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=shimano%20hydraulic%20brake%20recall>
    If Google search can't find it, it doesn't exist.

    Someone else please ask Tom for the maker and model of the bicycle and
    brakes (both original and replacement). I'm too lazy to ask.


    The fact itÆs not all over the cycling news sites or media let alone on
    their own website means IÆm rather cynical about it!

    Roger Merriman

    Agreed. That's an important clue.

    I have a slightly different way of detecting lies and fabrications. I
    look for what's missing in the original announcement. In this case,
    what's missing are all the specifics. No bicycle maker or model. No
    model number for the allegedly "recalled" Shimano hydraulic calipers
    or the replacement. No specific bicycles for sale. When someone is
    in panic mode and trying to recover from an obvious "foot in mouth"
    problem, the specifics tend to become vague, ambiguous, or simply
    missing. The lack of specifics are also a good indication that the
    owner has not been working on or researching the relevant bicycle and components. When I work on a problem, I definitely know the models
    and numbers involved.

    I don't see how Tom can "advertise" his bicycles for sale in
    rec.bicycles.tech, and then not provide a list of for sale items and
    directions to the site(s) for potential buyers of the bicycles. Does
    this mean that Tom thinks that readers of rec.bicycles.tech are not
    technically qualified or lack the funds to buy his bicycles? I have
    no idea.




    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 21:23:49 2025
    On Sat May 10 04:37:46 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

    The fact it?s not all over the cycling news sites or media let alone on
    their own website means I?m rather cynical about it!




    You guys just spemt years telling me that you know much b ettdr thazn I how myh brakes are working. What oh what are you going to do when I saw that they are now working properly? Tell me that they were woeiking all along? Allow Liebermann to tell you
    what I have like you all listgened tol him tell you what mt rides were like.

    Andrw, what's the differene between a 8170 and a 8070?

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 14:42:02 2025
    On Sat, 10 May 2025 21:23:49 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat May 10 04:37:46 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

    The fact it?s not all over the cycling news sites or media let alone on
    their own website means I?m rather cynical about it!


    You guys just spemt years telling me that you know much b ettdr thazn I how myh brakes are working. What oh what are you going to do when I saw that they are now working properly? Tell me that they were woeiking all along? Allow Liebermann to tell you
    what I have like you all listgened tol him tell you what mt rides were like.

    I'm working on a list of all the components that have fall off your
    bicycles. I'll post it to rec.bicycles.tech when I get bored.

    Andrw, what's the differene between a 8170 and a 8070?

    The difference between 8170 and 8070 is:
    8170 - 8070 = 100
    I thought you had learned arithmetic, but I guess not.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Sun May 11 02:32:34 2025
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sat May 10 04:37:46 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

    The fact it?s not all over the cycling news sites or media let alone on
    their own website means I?m rather cynical about it!




    You guys just spemt years telling me that you know much b ettdr thazn I
    how myh brakes are working. What oh what are you going to do when I saw
    that they are now working properly? Tell me that they were woeiking all along? Allow Liebermann to tell you what I have like you all listgened
    tol him tell you what mt rides were like.

    Much like Andrew disk brake problems are to do with them needing to be
    bleed (ie gone slightly squishy, or pads have picked up oil, ’ve personally rarely managed to save pads at that point possible only once, by riding on
    the beach multiple days one holiday seemed to clean the pads enough at
    least for the commute bike, ie didn’t howl and worked.

    Andrw, what's the differene between a 8170 and a 8070?

    89 grams apparently plus a extra sprocket! Ie 11 to 12 speed Ultegra.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 06:55:55 2025
    On 5/9/2025 11:06 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    Andrew, I was wrong and you were correct to a certain extent. Talking to Chris Robinson yesterday he told me that the calipers on my brakes had been recalled by Shimano and that was the problem.

    As predicted, it's not tommy's fault.

    He is taking care of it. He said that he has a French tool for refacing the flats which is difficult to come by. He was too busy to question but I assume it is VAR. He said that neither Shimano or Park tools put the flats in the same plane but the
    French tool does.

    He said that he will have the components in next week and the brakes working shortly thereafter.

    The seat post components that I ordered Wednesday are coming in today and the same saddle that I have on the DeRosa Merak which seems to perfectly fit my sit bones is due next week. This one will have steek rails rather than carbon fiber so the Time
    seatpost will work better.

    Except for the BMC everything else is up for sale though thee is always the chance that I may keep the Basso Loto just for old time's sake.

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 09:48:19 2025
    On 5/10/2025 5:23 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat May 10 04:37:46 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

    The fact it?s not all over the cycling news sites or media let alone on
    their own website means I?m rather cynical about it!




    You guys just spemt years telling me that you know much b ettdr thazn I how myh brakes are working.

    No, we told you that your claims of it being an issue with the brakes themselves was likely wrong.

    What oh what are you going to do when I saw that they are now working properly? Tell me that they were woeiking all along?

    No, we'll agree that your mechanic managed to fix them.

    Allow Liebermann to tell you what I have like you all listgened tol him tell you what mt rides were like.

    I don't recall Jeff telling you or anyone else what your rides were like.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 09:34:14 2025
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 09:48:19 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/10/2025 5:23 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat May 10 04:37:46 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

    The fact it?s not all over the cycling news sites or media let alone on
    their own website means I?m rather cynical about it!




    You guys just spemt years telling me that you know much b ettdr thazn I how myh brakes are working.

    No, we told you that your claims of it being an issue with the brakes >themselves was likely wrong.

    What oh what are you going to do when I saw that they are now working properly? Tell me that they were woeiking all along?

    No, we'll agree that your mechanic managed to fix them.

    Allow Liebermann to tell you what I have like you all listgened tol him tell you what mt rides were like.

    I don't recall Jeff telling you or anyone else what your rides were like.

    I also don't recall telling the group what Tom's rides were like.
    However, it doesn't take much imagination to guess the highlights,
    which were punctuated by various bicycle components failing or falling
    off the bicycle at inconvenient times. Some of the rides involve
    hidden dangers, like sinking into "deep mud": <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1063064831504932&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
    or dodging illegal alien drivers in stolen vehicles.
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Mon May 12 13:25:41 2025
    On 5/12/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 09:48:19 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/10/2025 5:23 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat May 10 04:37:46 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

    The fact it?s not all over the cycling news sites or media let alone on >>>> their own website means I?m rather cynical about it!




    You guys just spemt years telling me that you know much b ettdr thazn I how myh brakes are working.

    No, we told you that your claims of it being an issue with the brakes
    themselves was likely wrong.

    What oh what are you going to do when I saw that they are now working properly? Tell me that they were woeiking all along?

    No, we'll agree that your mechanic managed to fix them.

    Allow Liebermann to tell you what I have like you all listgened tol him tell you what mt rides were like.

    I don't recall Jeff telling you or anyone else what your rides were like.

    I also don't recall telling the group what Tom's rides were like.
    However, it doesn't take much imagination to guess the highlights,
    which were punctuated by various bicycle components failing or falling
    off the bicycle at inconvenient times. Some of the rides involve
    hidden dangers, like sinking into "deep mud": <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1063064831504932&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
    or dodging illegal alien drivers in stolen vehicles.

    or how his flat tires were a result of 'everyone' driving around on bald
    tires because 'no one' could afford new tires when Biden was president.

    We could spend all day at this.

    --
    Add xx to reply

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Mon May 12 14:40:40 2025
    On 5/12/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    I also don't recall telling the group what Tom's rides were like.
    However, it doesn't take much imagination to guess the highlights,
    which were punctuated by various bicycle components failing or falling
    off the bicycle at inconvenient times.

    I was in a museum on Friday that had a display of a World War II Harley Davidson motorcycle. I quipped "To be realistic, the display should show
    a trail of parts that fell off as it rolled. Harleys were famous for that."

    I suspect Tom's bikes are similar.

    (One of my best music friends is known for leaving a trail of
    guitar/mandolin picks behind her wherever she plays.)

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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