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On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to >>>>>>>>> rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger >>>>>>>> about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isnt a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to womens spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the >>>> folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics. >>>>
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non
binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely >>>> being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that >>>> will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get >>>> wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in
athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms
and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I’ll note that UCI events have banned >> trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be >> eligible but don’t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn’t the same >> as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it’s always trans women as that’s what gets the hate and
attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want!
Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell
them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love
to yap.
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women.
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:45 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women.
Yes there are. There's even one in my daughter's class at school.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to >>>>>>>>>> rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the >>>>> folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics. >>>>>
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely >>>>> being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that >>>>> will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in
athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms
and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group IÆll note that UCI events have banned >>> trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be >>> eligible but donÆt believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isnÆt the same >>> as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever itÆs always trans women as thatÆs what gets the hate and
attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want!
Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell
them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love
to yap.
have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the >unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Roger Merriman
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because
"women do not have sex voluntarily".
On 9 May 2025 08:30:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the >>>>>> folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics. >>>>>>
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >>>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely >>>>>> being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that >>>>>> will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in
athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms
and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group Ill note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be >>>> eligible but dont believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isnt the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever its always trans women as thats what gets the hate and >>>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want! >>> Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell
them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love >>> to yap.
have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the
unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Roger Merriman
1) What is the reason that a person not having met a person who claims
to have changed their gender have to do with their not approving of
males in women's athletics, rest rooms, or locker rooms?
2) It's not "fear of the unknown," it's a dislike for the actual cases
of those events happening.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 08:30:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:This is 0.2% of the population trans athletes are literally a handful of people, let alone that various organisations have rowed back on this over
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks >>> have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the >>> unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike RyderThose are males. Males are not women.
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth" >>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the
folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics.
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >>>>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely >>>>>>> being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that
will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in >>>>>> athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms >>>>>> and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group Ill note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be
eligible but dont believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isnt the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever its always trans women as thats what gets the hate and >>>>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want! >>>> Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell >>>> them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love >>>> to yap.
Roger Merriman
1) What is the reason that a person not having met a person who claims
to have changed their gender have to do with their not approving of
males in women's athletics, rest rooms, or locker rooms?
2) It's not "fear of the unknown," it's a dislike for the actual cases
of those events happening.
the last few years.
Ie the argument in sports for transgender athletes was always weak, and has been won essentially.
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free thinker your not doing much of that.
On Thu May 8 20:45:33 2025 cyclintom wrote:the case why would this not occur equally to women?
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to >>>>>>> rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I >>>>>>> predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial >>>>>>> interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually
investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger >>>>>> about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate >>>>>> waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women. The one case of a tranny where I know the derails, the pregnant mother was a heavy drug and alcohol user. That brain damage might have occurred would not have been surprising. But if that WERE
If you wouldn't mind, out of scientific curiosity, could you tell me your mother's health conditions and where you came from at birth?
Pardon me Catrike. This was directed at Liebermann. The one case I know most of the details about shows remarkable behavior similarities with Jeff. I am wondering if there are physical similarities. Not sexual confusion mind you, but Jeff'x practice ofthinking that everyone else is wrong and he is right might have a basis in chemistry.
On Thu May 8 20:45:33 2025 cyclintom wrote:the case why would this not occur equally to women?
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to >>>>>>> rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I >>>>>>> predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial >>>>>>> interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually
investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger >>>>>> about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate >>>>>> waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women. The one case of a tranny where I know the derails, the pregnant mother was a heavy drug and alcohol user. That brain damage might have occurred would not have been surprising. But if that WERE
If you wouldn't mind, out of scientific curiosity, could you tell me your mother's health conditions and where you came from at birth?
Pardon me Catrike. This was directed at Liebermann. The one case I know most of the details about shows remarkable behavior similarities with Jeff. I am wondering if there are physical similarities. Not sexual confusion mind you, but Jeff'x practice ofthinking that everyone else is wrong and he is right might have a basis in chemistry.
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men. As Far as I know ir is almoat entirely mail if not entirely.
WHY have no scientific studies been conducted to try and learn what causes this and possible cures for this condition?
Does it mske people feel good to know that there is always someone out there that is even weirder than they are?
I do NOT believe that this is a psychiatric condition because they have no interest in seeking psychiatric help.
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:33:32 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:45 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women.
Yes there are. There's even one in my daughter's class at school.
Females are not men.
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because
"women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 08:30:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:This is 0.2% of the population trans athletes are literally a handful of >people, let alone that various organisations have rowed back on this over
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks >>> have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the >>> unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike RyderThose are males. Males are not women.
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth" >>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the
folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics.
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >>>>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely >>>>>>> being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that
will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in >>>>>> athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms >>>>>> and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I?ll note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be
eligible but don?t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn?t the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it?s always trans women as that?s what gets the hate and >>>>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want! >>>> Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell >>>> them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love >>>> to yap.
Roger Merriman
1) What is the reason that a person not having met a person who claims
to have changed their gender have to do with their not approving of
males in women's athletics, rest rooms, or locker rooms?
2) It's not "fear of the unknown," it's a dislike for the actual cases
of those events happening.
the last few years.
Ie the argument in sports for transgender athletes was always weak, and has >been won essentially.
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free thinker your >not doing much of that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Am 09.05.2025 um 11:54 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:33:32 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:45 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women.
Yes there are. There's even one in my daughter's class at school.
Females are not men.
If you take exterior attributes as your defintion of "men", they can be
and will be crafted surgically.
If you take chromosomes as your definition of "men", there are
historically a number of people who were born as a woman and died as a
woman any you claim they would be men?
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small). >>>
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because
"women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put
up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's
line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest
room is empty.
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small). >>>>
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because
"women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put
up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's
line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest
room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms. Most women
do mind men in their restrooms.
Am 09.05.2025 um 14:07 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>> wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small). >>>>>
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because
"women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics, >>>> rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put
up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's
line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest >>> room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms. Most women
do mind men in their restrooms.
IOC. Most black people don't mind white people in their part of the bus
but most white people mind black people in their part of the bus.
You wish to time-travel back to the 1950's.
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:45 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at
birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women.
Yes there are. There's even one in my daughter's class at
school.
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because
"women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not
occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar
(and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female
homosexuality because
"women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in
women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't
happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally
have to put up with women in mens rest room at least once a
year when the women's line to the rest room has a 15 minute
wait and the mens line to the rest room is empty.
Am 09.05.2025 um 14:07 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not
occur in born women who believe that they were really
men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar
(and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female
homosexuality because
"women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in
women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't
happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I
personally have to put
up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when
the women's
line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens
line to the rest
room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms.
Most women
do mind men in their restrooms.
IOC. Most black people don't mind white people in their
part of the bus but most white people mind black people in
their part of the bus.
You wish to time-travel back to the 1950's.
On 5/9/2025 6:13 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born
women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very
small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because
"women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to
put up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the
women's line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line
to the rest room is empty.
Do you really need an explanation?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/1974562/young-girl-is-raped- in-school-bathroom-by-transgender-peer/
On Fri, 9 May 2025 14:17:30 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 14:07 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>> wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because >>>>>> "women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics, >>>>> rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put >>>> up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's
line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest >>>> room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms. Most women
do mind men in their restrooms.
IOC. Most black people don't mind white people in their part of the bus
but most white people mind black people in their part of the bus.
You wish to time-travel back to the 1950's.
Perhaps back in the 1950s, but what's your point?
Do think that because most men don't have a problem with women in
their restrooms, women should not have a problem with men in their
restrooms? If you do, take that issue up with the women in your life.
On 9 May 2025 10:18:58 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 08:30:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:This is 0.2% of the population trans athletes are literally a handful of
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks >>>> have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the >>>> unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike RyderThose are males. Males are not women.
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth" >>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>>>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the
folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics.
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >>>>>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely
being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that
will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in >>>>>>> athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms >>>>>>> and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I?ll note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be
eligible but don?t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn?t the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it?s always trans women as that?s what gets the hate and >>>>>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want! >>>>> Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell >>>>> them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love >>>>> to yap.
Roger Merriman
1) What is the reason that a person not having met a person who claims
to have changed their gender have to do with their not approving of
males in women's athletics, rest rooms, or locker rooms?
2) It's not "fear of the unknown," it's a dislike for the actual cases
of those events happening.
people, let alone that various organisations have rowed back on this over
the last few years.
Some have, some haven't.
"578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally" https://womenssportspolicy.org/253-male-victories-in-female-sports/
Ie the argument in sports for transgender athletes was always weak, and has >> been won essentially.
Not in the USA.
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free thinker your >> not doing much of that.
See the "Nine-Month Tally," above.. I think you're the one that's
being played. Where on Earth do you get your news?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Thu May 8 09:18:03 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:matter of observation - this person shares a great deal of responses with you. Can you tell me the details of your mother's life inasmuch as she was a foreigner? This is purely out of scientific curiosity.
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I >> >>> predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial >> >>> interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big-
beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually
investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate >> >>waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Jeff, the one case I know the details of, the tranny's mother was a heavy drug addict and an alcoholic before and during birth. That brain damage may very well have occured would not have been surprising. I will say, not trying to be insulting but as a
On 9 May 2025 10:18:58 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 08:30:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:This is 0.2% of the population trans athletes are literally a handful of
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks >>>> have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the >>>> unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike RyderThose are males. Males are not women.
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth" >>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>>>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the
folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics.
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >>>>>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely
being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that
will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in >>>>>>> athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms >>>>>>> and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I?ll note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be
eligible but don?t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn?t the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it?s always trans women as that?s what gets the hate and >>>>>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want! >>>>> Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell >>>>> them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love >>>>> to yap.
Roger Merriman
1) What is the reason that a person not having met a person who claims
to have changed their gender have to do with their not approving of
males in women's athletics, rest rooms, or locker rooms?
2) It's not "fear of the unknown," it's a dislike for the actual cases
of those events happening.
people, let alone that various organisations have rowed back on this over
the last few years.
Some have, some haven't.
"578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally" https://womenssportspolicy.org/253-male-victories-in-female-sports/
Ie the argument in sports for transgender athletes was always weak, and has >> been won essentially.
Not in the USA.
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free thinker your >> not doing much of that.
See the "Nine-Month Tally," above.. I think you're the one that's
being played. Where on Earth do you get your news?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to >>>>>>>>>> rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isnt a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to womens spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the >>>>> folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics. >>>>>
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely >>>>> being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that >>>>> will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in
athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms
and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I’ll note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be >>> eligible but don’t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn’t the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it’s always trans women as that’s what gets the hate and >>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want!
Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell
them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love
to yap.
have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
On 5/9/2025 6:18 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free thinker
your
not doing much of that.
I have yet to see anything from him that isn't parroted from the US
right wing media echo chamber.
What could go wrong?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender- opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put
up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's
line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest
room is empty.
On 5/9/2025 7:13 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in
women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't
happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Everything is an issue for people sufficiently primed to
outrage. There's no thought given to the frequency of
incidents, or the number in context. One incident of
unsportsmanlike behavior by a trans athlete is horrifying
and outrageous - out of probably millions of similar
incidents involving non-trans people.
Again, people are being played. Note how quickly a valid
discussion of economics evaporated so Mr. Tricycle could
yell "TRANS! TRANS! TRANS!"
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I
personally have to put up with women in mens rest room at
least once a year when the women's line to the rest room
has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest room is
empty.
Cultures differ. We were once traveling in France and
stopped at a Tourist Info station in a tiny town so I could
pee. I was facing a wall in a sort of hallway, using one of
the men's urinals mounted in a row there. Meanwhile, women
were walking down the hallway to their restroom, passed
right behind me and other men.
I can imagine how horrified Mr. Tricycle would have been!
Am 09.05.2025 um 15:44 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 14:17:30 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 14:07 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>> wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>>> wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because >>>>>>> "women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics, >>>>>> rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every >>>>>> day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put >>>>> up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's >>>>> line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest >>>>> room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms. Most women
do mind men in their restrooms.
IOC. Most black people don't mind white people in their part of the bus >>> but most white people mind black people in their part of the bus.
You wish to time-travel back to the 1950's.
Perhaps back in the 1950s, but what's your point?
Do think that because most men don't have a problem with women in
their restrooms, women should not have a problem with men in their
restrooms? If you do, take that issue up with the women in your life.
My point is that "I have a problem with persons of type XXX in a certain >public place" is a very bad argument, irrespective of whether 'XXX' is >"black", "male" or "homosexual".
I have to put up with polite female cleaners in male restrooms, and
every woman will have to put up with polite male cleaners in female
restrooms (the number of male cleaners is very small, but the number of >transexuals is a lot smaller).
I should not have to put up with any harassment in male restrooms,
regardless whether this harassment originated from a male or female person, >and no female person should have to put up with any harassment in female >restroom, regardless whether this harassement originated from a male or >female person.
On Thu May 8 14:57:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:53 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 8 May 2025 18:06:35 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:50:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >> >>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >> >>>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >> >>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >> >>>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the
folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics.
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >> >>>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely
being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that
will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in
athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms
and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I?ll note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be
eligible but don?t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn?t the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it?s always trans women as that?s what gets the hate and >> >>>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
I have no problem if some guy simply wants to dress up like, and
pretend to be a woman or visa versa. I have addressed a male server at >> >>>>> a restaurant by the woman's name he had labeled himself, but I stop at >> >>>>> their demands that I treat, and speak to them and speak about them as >> >>>>> if they really were women. I will not be their enabler, but I make an >> >>>>> effort to stay clear of them so it doesn't become an issue for either >> >>>>> of us.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
No one is asking you to date them etc!
Roger Merriman
Sorry, but it's a real issue and it has gotten worse, but lately, and
thankfully, there are some controls being initiated. I think, in the
end, the "trans" thing will dies a slow death... thanks to people
speaking out against it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I think it was overreach for sports and few other areas, but this has been
rolled back/clarified over last few years, as ever these things follow
fairly predictable cycles see Gay rights and so on.
Roger Merriman
Gays are pretty much accepted, because it's really nobody's business
who other people sleep with and the fact that being gay is not a
bother to anyone and the fact that gays don't make any demands on
other people. I know homosexuals of both genders and mostly, they do
not want to treated any different than if they were not gay. The trans
thing doesn't become a bother either until they demand to be treated
in accordance to their falsified gender.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
a hearty +1
Of COURSE it's nobody's business that that queers exist. As long as they are NOT presented in any way as normal. Remember, they are entirely unpredictable and you don't give them the power to wage war or change the Constitution to suit DEI objectives.And we just watched exactly that occur.
On Fri, 9 May 2025 16:47:53 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 15:44 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 14:17:30 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 14:07 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>> wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>>>> wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because >>>>>>>> "women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics, >>>>>>> rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every >>>>>>> day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put >>>>>> up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's >>>>>> line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest >>>>>> room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms. Most women >>>>> do mind men in their restrooms.
IOC. Most black people don't mind white people in their part of the bus >>>> but most white people mind black people in their part of the bus.
You wish to time-travel back to the 1950's.
Perhaps back in the 1950s, but what's your point?
Do think that because most men don't have a problem with women in
their restrooms, women should not have a problem with men in their
restrooms? If you do, take that issue up with the women in your life.
My point is that "I have a problem with persons of type XXX in a certain
public place" is a very bad argument, irrespective of whether 'XXX' is
"black", "male" or "homosexual".
I have to put up with polite female cleaners in male restrooms, and
every woman will have to put up with polite male cleaners in female
restrooms (the number of male cleaners is very small, but the number of
transexuals is a lot smaller).
I should not have to put up with any harassment in male restrooms,
regardless whether this harassment originated from a male or female person, >> and no female person should have to put up with any harassment in female
restroom, regardless whether this harassement originated from a male or
female person.
Restroom cleaning people are not the issue here, nor is harrassment.
Most women seem to have a preference for female gender specific
restrooms and locker rooms. Unless there are no male gender specific restrooms and locker rooms available, why shouldn't their preference
prevail, as it has for hundreds of years?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Fri, 9 May 2025 16:47:53 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 15:44 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 14:17:30 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 14:07 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>> wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>>>> wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because >>>>>>>> "women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics, >>>>>>> rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every >>>>>>> day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put >>>>>> up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's >>>>>> line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest >>>>>> room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms. Most women >>>>> do mind men in their restrooms.
IOC. Most black people don't mind white people in their part of the bus >>>> but most white people mind black people in their part of the bus.
You wish to time-travel back to the 1950's.
Perhaps back in the 1950s, but what's your point?
Do think that because most men don't have a problem with women in
their restrooms, women should not have a problem with men in their
restrooms? If you do, take that issue up with the women in your life.
My point is that "I have a problem with persons of type XXX in a certain
public place" is a very bad argument, irrespective of whether 'XXX' is
"black", "male" or "homosexual".
I have to put up with polite female cleaners in male restrooms, and
every woman will have to put up with polite male cleaners in female
restrooms (the number of male cleaners is very small, but the number of
transexuals is a lot smaller).
I should not have to put up with any harassment in male restrooms,
regardless whether this harassment originated from a male or female person, >> and no female person should have to put up with any harassment in female
restroom, regardless whether this harassement originated from a male or
female person.
Restroom cleaning people are not the issue here, nor is harrassment.
Most women seem to have a preference for female gender specific
restrooms and locker rooms.
On 5/9/2025 6:40 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/9/2025 6:18 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free thinker
your
not doing much of that.
I have yet to see anything from him that isn't parroted from the US
right wing media echo chamber.
Exactly. He credits himself with wonderful independence and wisdom. But
by weird coincidence, every idea he posts can be found on Fox, or other
right wing news outlets.
On 5/9/2025 4:30 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the >>>>>> folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics. >>>>>>
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >>>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely >>>>>> being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that >>>>>> will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in
athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms
and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group IÆll note that UCI events have banned >>>> trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be >>>> eligible but donÆt believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isnÆt the same >>>> as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever itÆs always trans women as thatÆs what gets the hate and
attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want! >>> Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell
them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love >>> to yap.
have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the
unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
They are being played. They're as smart as a dog who's suddenly seen a >squirrel. The dog drops whatever he was doing and thinks "SQUIRREL!
SQUIRREL! SQUIRREL!"
The yapping puppy here drops discussion of legitimate economic issues
and says "TRANS! TRANS! TRANS!" And all other thoughts fly out of his brain.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 10:18:58 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:Did you bother to read it? ItÆs world wide and has data from races and non >races ie (Uk sportives which are not races) going back to 2018 if not >further.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 08:30:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:This is 0.2% of the population trans athletes are literally a handful of >>> people, let alone that various organisations have rowed back on this over >>> the last few years.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks >>>>> have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the >>>>> unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike RyderThose are males. Males are not women.
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth" >>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on >>>>>>>>> hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the
folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics.
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non >>>>>>>>> binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely
being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that
will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in >>>>>>>> athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms >>>>>>>> and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I?ll note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be
eligible but don?t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn?t the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it?s always trans women as that?s what gets the hate and >>>>>>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want! >>>>>> Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell >>>>>> them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love >>>>>> to yap.
Roger Merriman
1) What is the reason that a person not having met a person who claims >>>> to have changed their gender have to do with their not approving of
males in women's athletics, rest rooms, or locker rooms?
2) It's not "fear of the unknown," it's a dislike for the actual cases >>>> of those events happening.
Some have, some haven't.
"578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally"
https://womenssportspolicy.org/253-male-victories-in-female-sports/
Ie itÆs purely to trigger folks, as itÆs including events that arenÆt
races, and races that have banned trans athletes and so on.
Ie the argument in sports for transgender athletes was always weak, and has >>> been won essentially.
Not in the USA.
USA cycling is more lax than the UCI and Uk cycling, but competitive events >tend to follow UCI regulations be only fun non competitive type events that >donÆt unless USA cycling operates wildly differently.
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free thinker your >>> not doing much of that.
See the "Nine-Month Tally," above.. I think you're the one that's
being played. Where on Earth do you get your news?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
On 5/9/2025 10:18 AM, AMuzi wrote:
What could go wrong?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-
opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out
Oooh, look! An anecdote! ;-)
On 5/9/2025 7:13 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every
day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Everything is an issue for people sufficiently primed to outrage.
There's no thought given to the frequency of incidents, or the number in >context. One incident of unsportsmanlike behavior by a trans athlete is >horrifying and outrageous - out of probably millions of similar
incidents involving non-trans people.
Again, people are being played. Note how quickly a valid discussion of >economics evaporated so Mr. Tricycle could yell "TRANS! TRANS! TRANS!"
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put
up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's
line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest
room is empty.
Cultures differ. We were once traveling in France and stopped at a
Tourist Info station in a tiny town so I could pee. I was facing a wall
in a sort of hallway, using one of the men's urinals mounted in a row
there. Meanwhile, women were walking down the hallway to their restroom, >passed right behind me and other men.
I can imagine how horrified Mr. Tricycle would have been!
Am 09.05.2025 um 19:08 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 16:47:53 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 15:44 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 14:17:30 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>> wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 14:07 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>>> wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because >>>>>>>>> "women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's athletics, >>>>>>>> rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every >>>>>>>> day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have to put >>>>>>> up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the women's >>>>>>> line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to the rest
room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms. Most women >>>>>> do mind men in their restrooms.
IOC. Most black people don't mind white people in their part of the bus >>>>> but most white people mind black people in their part of the bus.
You wish to time-travel back to the 1950's.
Perhaps back in the 1950s, but what's your point?
Do think that because most men don't have a problem with women in
their restrooms, women should not have a problem with men in their
restrooms? If you do, take that issue up with the women in your life.
My point is that "I have a problem with persons of type XXX in a certain >>> public place" is a very bad argument, irrespective of whether 'XXX' is
"black", "male" or "homosexual".
I have to put up with polite female cleaners in male restrooms, and
every woman will have to put up with polite male cleaners in female
restrooms (the number of male cleaners is very small, but the number of
transexuals is a lot smaller).
I should not have to put up with any harassment in male restrooms,
regardless whether this harassment originated from a male or female person, >>> and no female person should have to put up with any harassment in female >>> restroom, regardless whether this harassement originated from a male or
female person.
Restroom cleaning people are not the issue here, nor is harrassment.
Most women seem to have a preference for female gender specific
restrooms and locker rooms.
The real question is: Do women have a preference for "gender-specific"
rest rooms or do they have a preferemce for "sex-specific" rest rooms?
"Gender" is defined as "what is written in the passport".
By picking the word "gender" instead of "sex", you have already admitted >there is no generic problem.
On 9 May 2025 15:54:39 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 10:18:58 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:Did you bother to read it? Its world wide and has data from races and non >> races ie (Uk sportives which are not races) going back to 2018 if not
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 08:30:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>This is 0.2% of the population trans athletes are literally a handful of >>>> people, let alone that various organisations have rowed back on this over >>>> the last few years.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks >>>>>> have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the >>>>>> unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike RyderThose are males. Males are not women.
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big-
beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth" >>>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on
hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the
folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics.
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non
binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely
being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that
will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in >>>>>>>>> athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms >>>>>>>>> and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I?ll note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be
eligible but don?t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn?t the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it?s always trans women as that?s what gets the hate and >>>>>>>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want!
Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell >>>>>>> them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love
to yap.
Roger Merriman
1) What is the reason that a person not having met a person who claims >>>>> to have changed their gender have to do with their not approving of
males in women's athletics, rest rooms, or locker rooms?
2) It's not "fear of the unknown," it's a dislike for the actual cases >>>>> of those events happening.
Some have, some haven't.
"578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally"
https://womenssportspolicy.org/253-male-victories-in-female-sports/
further.
Ie its purely to trigger folks, as its including events that arent
races, and races that have banned trans athletes and so on.
Ie the argument in sports for transgender athletes was always weak, and has
been won essentially.
Not in the USA.
USA cycling is more lax than the UCI and Uk cycling, but competitive events >> tend to follow UCI regulations be only fun non competitive type events that >> dont unless USA cycling operates wildly differently.
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free thinker your
not doing much of that.
See the "Nine-Month Tally," above.. I think you're the one that's
being played. Where on Earth do you get your news?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Regardless of when it happened, those cases show that the male
physique gives them a definite advantage over women. In the USA we
passed Title IX to establish, preserve, and create women's rights. One
result of Title IX was women gender specific athletics in public
education. That's been eroded by the "trans" thing, and although the
erosion has been slowed, it's still happening. It needs to be done
away with.
But, if, as you say, it's not an issue, why are you arguing to have
others walk away from it.
I’m not I like others where clear we thought that trans participation in sports was at best going to be challenging but almost certainly on the
side of not a fair competition.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 15:54:39 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 10:18:58 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:Did you bother to read it? It?s world wide and has data from races and non >>> races ie (Uk sportives which are not races) going back to 2018 if not
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 08:30:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>This is 0.2% of the population trans athletes are literally a handful of >>>>> people, let alone that various organisations have rowed back on this over >>>>> the last few years.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike RyderThose are males. Males are not women.
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big-
beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth" >>>>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! Folks on
hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case ie let the
folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than politics.
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/women/non
binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost entirely
being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for hate as that
will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media. >>>>>>>>>>>
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in >>>>>>>>>> athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms >>>>>>>>>> and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I?ll note that UCI events have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty would be
eligible but don?t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn?t the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it?s always trans women as that?s what gets the hate and >>>>>>>>> attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people want!
Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and tell >>>>>>>> them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle. They love
to yap.
have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the
unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Roger Merriman
1) What is the reason that a person not having met a person who claims >>>>>> to have changed their gender have to do with their not approving of >>>>>> males in women's athletics, rest rooms, or locker rooms?
2) It's not "fear of the unknown," it's a dislike for the actual cases >>>>>> of those events happening.
Some have, some haven't.
"578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally"
https://womenssportspolicy.org/253-male-victories-in-female-sports/
further.
Ie it?s purely to trigger folks, as it?s including events that aren?t
races, and races that have banned trans athletes and so on.
Ie the argument in sports for transgender athletes was always weak, and has
been won essentially.
Not in the USA.
USA cycling is more lax than the UCI and Uk cycling, but competitive events >>> tend to follow UCI regulations be only fun non competitive type events that >>> don?t unless USA cycling operates wildly differently.
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free thinker your
not doing much of that.
See the "Nine-Month Tally," above.. I think you're the one that's
being played. Where on Earth do you get your news?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Regardless of when it happened, those cases show that the male
physique gives them a definite advantage over women. In the USA we
passed Title IX to establish, preserve, and create women's rights. One
result of Title IX was women gender specific athletics in public
education. That's been eroded by the "trans" thing, and although the
erosion has been slowed, it's still happening. It needs to be done
away with.
When it happens rather does matter as does if it was a competition or not,
at least one of those listed was non competitive and you get a name and
time thatÆs it. Ie they clearly arenÆt fact checking remotely.
And most sports bodies have banned or heavily regulated trans participation >mostly the first, so itÆs bar a few exceptions a historical point.
And frankly rather proves the point if they could only get a few hundred >world wide over decade considering they arenÆt fact checking in any >meaningful way probably bit less.
But thatÆs a very low number for world wide and that length of time, across >all sports.
But, if, as you say, it's not an issue, why are you arguing to have
others walk away from it.
IÆm not I like others where clear we thought that trans participation in
sports was at best going to be challenging but almost certainly on the
side of not a fair competition.
But organisations have followed the data and so on and changed their minds.
That websites like that continue push the narrative even when they are now >banned in most cases shows they arenÆt about fairness but hate and getting >folks to be angry of America and so on.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
On Fri, 9 May 2025 12:22:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/9/2025 4:30 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks >>> have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the >>> unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
They are being played. They're as smart as a dog who's suddenly seen a
squirrel. The dog drops whatever he was doing and thinks "SQUIRREL!
SQUIRREL! SQUIRREL!"
The yapping puppy here drops discussion of legitimate economic issues
and says "TRANS! TRANS! TRANS!" And all other thoughts fly out of his brain.
Krygowski, apparently wants everyone to shut up about trans people,...
On 5/9/2025 1:51 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 12:22:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/9/2025 4:30 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely folks >>>> have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of the >>>> unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
They are being played. They're as smart as a dog who's suddenly seen a
squirrel. The dog drops whatever he was doing and thinks "SQUIRREL!
SQUIRREL! SQUIRREL!"
The yapping puppy here drops discussion of legitimate economic issues
and says "TRANS! TRANS! TRANS!" And all other thoughts fly out of his brain.
Krygowski, apparently wants everyone to shut up about trans people,...
Krygowski prefers to talk about bike technology, or about issues that
really matter. 0.2% of the population is important only as a political
dog whistle.
On 5/9/2025 10:18 AM, AMuzi wrote:
What could go wrong?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-
after-transgender- opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out
Oooh, look! An anecdote! ;-)
On 5/9/2025 11:27 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/9/2025 10:18 AM, AMuzi wrote:
What could go wrong?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured- after-
transgender- opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out
Oooh, look! An anecdote! ;-)
I thought about this on my refreshingly pleasant ride this morning. It's
just a joy in warm sunlight finally.
One might say, and I will, that Torah, English Common Law, the huge body
of US case law and much of western culture generally are comprised of
outlier anomalous anecdotes to establish various limiting principles.
This is not to say that every instance ought to set a new standard; far
from it! But it's very human to reason from exceptional incidents to
define limits, that is, 'to here, but no further'.
For us, Dred Scott, Kelo, Koramatsu/Kabayashi/Yasui and Dobbs have
import. They are important because they are outlier incidents and
establish limits. Those limits, being considered correct or not by one
person or another at various times and contexts, are crucial.
For example, Mr Eisenhower, Mr Kennedy and Mr Johnson read Brown v Board
and reflected, "My, that certainly is nice." Mr Nixon however enforced
it, vigorously and thoroughly at great political, social and financial cost. The particulars of Brown did not change. The decision by SCOTUS
did no change. The application, however, was a tumultuous and
revolutionary change.
Due to a gruesome and well publicized hanging in the Wisconsin
Territory, the State of Wisconsin has never allowed capital punishment,
even in the exceptional case of Jeffrey Dahmer. His fellow inmates,
however, saw the case differently and acted accordingly.
So you may make your own decision in your own way by your own standards
but one ought to consider what is the limiting factor, where are the
limits and why by reflecting on the outliers.
p.s. Think about The War of Jenkins' Ear versus the USS Pueblo incident.
On 5/10/2025 9:04 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/9/2025 11:27 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/9/2025 10:18 AM, AMuzi wrote:
What could go wrong?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured- after-
transgender- opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out
Oooh, look! An anecdote!á ;-)
I thought about this on my refreshingly pleasant ride this morning. It's
just a joy in warm sunlight finally.
One might say, and I will, that Torah, English Common Law, the huge body
of US case law and much of western culture generally are comprised of
outlier anomalous anecdotes to establish various limiting principles.
This is not to say that every instance ought to set a new standard; far
from it!á But it's very human to reason from exceptional incidents to
define limits, that is, 'to here, but no further'.
For us, Dred Scott, Kelo, Koramatsu/Kabayashi/Yasui and Dobbs have
import.á They are important because they are outlier incidents and
establish limits. Those limits, being considered correct or not by one
person or another at various times and contexts, are crucial.
For example, Mr Eisenhower, Mr Kennedy and Mr Johnson read Brown v Board
and reflected, "My, that certainly is nice." Mr Nixon however enforced
it, vigorously and thoroughly at great political, social and financial
cost.á The particulars of Brown did not change. The decision by SCOTUS
did no change. The application, however, was a tumultuous and
revolutionary change.
Due to a gruesome and well publicized hanging in the Wisconsin
Territory, the State of Wisconsin has never allowed capital punishment,
even in the exceptional case of Jeffrey Dahmer. His fellow inmates,
however, saw the case differently and acted accordingly.
So you may make your own decision in your own way by your own standards
but one ought to consider what is the limiting factor, where are the
limits and why by reflecting on the outliers.
p.s. Think about The War of Jenkins' Ear versus the USS Pueblo incident.
I may not finish this now. Vacation activities are calling. But:
It may be very human to "reason" from exceptional incidents, but I take
most of that to be a sign of human imperfection. Humans are easily
duped, misled, deluded. When I hear of an exceptional incident, I
frequently begin to wonder "Is that likely to recur?" and "How much of a >problem is it?" I don't automatically think it's a critical issue.
The case you cited above is regrettable, but: There are certainly (true) >female volleyball players who are large, tough and muscular. If one of
them had done this spike, what would have been the reaction? How often
do injuries like this happen anyway? Is it simply something that happens
in the sport at that level?
Understand, I'm not generally sympathetic to trans "women" competing
against normal women. I do think the "former" men have continuing
physical advantages. But I think the amount of political attention being >given to this issue is grossly excessive, and I do think it's being
purposely done to distract from many issues that are much more critical.
On 5/10/2025 9:04 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/9/2025 11:27 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/9/2025 10:18 AM, AMuzi wrote:
What could go wrong?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured- after-
transgender- opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out
Oooh, look! An anecdote!á ;-)
I thought about this on my refreshingly pleasant ride this morning. It's
just a joy in warm sunlight finally.
One might say, and I will, that Torah, English Common Law, the huge body
of US case law and much of western culture generally are comprised of
outlier anomalous anecdotes to establish various limiting principles.
This is not to say that every instance ought to set a new standard; far
from it!á But it's very human to reason from exceptional incidents to
define limits, that is, 'to here, but no further'.
For us, Dred Scott, Kelo, Koramatsu/Kabayashi/Yasui and Dobbs have
import.á They are important because they are outlier incidents and
establish limits. Those limits, being considered correct or not by one
person or another at various times and contexts, are crucial.
For example, Mr Eisenhower, Mr Kennedy and Mr Johnson read Brown v Board
and reflected, "My, that certainly is nice." Mr Nixon however enforced
it, vigorously and thoroughly at great political, social and financial
cost.á The particulars of Brown did not change. The decision by SCOTUS
did no change. The application, however, was a tumultuous and
revolutionary change.
Due to a gruesome and well publicized hanging in the Wisconsin
Territory, the State of Wisconsin has never allowed capital punishment,
even in the exceptional case of Jeffrey Dahmer. His fellow inmates,
however, saw the case differently and acted accordingly.
So you may make your own decision in your own way by your own standards
but one ought to consider what is the limiting factor, where are the
limits and why by reflecting on the outliers.
p.s. Think about The War of Jenkins' Ear versus the USS Pueblo incident.
I may not finish this now. Vacation activities are calling. But:
It may be very human to "reason" from exceptional incidents, but I take
most of that to be a sign of human imperfection. Humans are easily
duped, misled, deluded. When I hear of an exceptional incident, I
frequently begin to wonder "Is that likely to recur?" and "How much of a >problem is it?" I don't automatically think it's a critical issue.
The case you cited above is regrettable, but: There are certainly (true) >female volleyball players who are large, tough and muscular. If one of
them had done this spike, what would have been the reaction? How often
do injuries like this happen anyway? Is it simply something that happens
in the sport at that level?
Understand, I'm not generally sympathetic to trans "women" competing
against normal women. I do think the "former" men have continuing
physical advantages. But I think the amount of political attention being >given to this issue is grossly excessive, and I do think it's being
purposely done to distract from many issues that are much more critical.
On 5/10/2025 9:04 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/9/2025 11:27 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/9/2025 10:18 AM, AMuzi wrote:
What could go wrong?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-
after- transgender- opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out
Oooh, look! An anecdote! ;-)
I thought about this on my refreshingly pleasant ride this
morning. It's just a joy in warm sunlight finally.
One might say, and I will, that Torah, English Common Law,
the huge body of US case law and much of western culture
generally are comprised of outlier anomalous anecdotes to
establish various limiting principles.
This is not to say that every instance ought to set a new
standard; far from it! But it's very human to reason from
exceptional incidents to define limits, that is, 'to here,
but no further'.
For us, Dred Scott, Kelo, Koramatsu/Kabayashi/Yasui and
Dobbs have import. They are important because they are
outlier incidents and establish limits. Those limits,
being considered correct or not by one person or another
at various times and contexts, are crucial.
For example, Mr Eisenhower, Mr Kennedy and Mr Johnson read
Brown v Board and reflected, "My, that certainly is nice."
Mr Nixon however enforced it, vigorously and thoroughly at
great political, social and financial cost. The
particulars of Brown did not change. The decision by
SCOTUS did no change. The application, however, was a
tumultuous and revolutionary change.
Due to a gruesome and well publicized hanging in the
Wisconsin Territory, the State of Wisconsin has never
allowed capital punishment, even in the exceptional case
of Jeffrey Dahmer. His fellow inmates, however, saw the
case differently and acted accordingly.
So you may make your own decision in your own way by your
own standards but one ought to consider what is the
limiting factor, where are the limits and why by
reflecting on the outliers.
p.s. Think about The War of Jenkins' Ear versus the USS
Pueblo incident.
I may not finish this now. Vacation activities are calling.
But:
It may be very human to "reason" from exceptional incidents,
but I take most of that to be a sign of human imperfection.
Humans are easily duped, misled, deluded. When I hear of an
exceptional incident, I frequently begin to wonder "Is that
likely to recur?" and "How much of a problem is it?" I don't
automatically think it's a critical issue.
The case you cited above is regrettable, but: There are
certainly (true) female volleyball players who are large,
tough and muscular. If one of them had done this spike, what
would have been the reaction? How often do injuries like
this happen anyway? Is it simply something that happens in
the sport at that level?
Understand, I'm not generally sympathetic to trans "women"
competing against normal women. I do think the "former" men
have continuing physical advantages. But I think the amount
of political attention being given to this issue is grossly
excessive, and I do think it's being purposely done to
distract from many issues that are much more critical.
On 5/9/2025 6:52 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 9 May 2025 10:18:58 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 9 May 2025 08:30:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:This is 0.2% of the population trans athletes are literally a handful of >>> people, let alone that various organisations have rowed back on this
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:50 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:05:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike RyderThose are males. Males are not women.
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle
<funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Musk, to
rein in some of the most egregious of the government's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual
Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-big-
beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for-their-states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to >>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and >>>>>>>>>>>>> hate-monger
about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee- >>>>>>>>>>>>> chairwoman-opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will >>>>>>>>>>>>> help eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth" >>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Life isn?t a simple as that, nor biology see intersex folks! >>>>>>>>> Folks on
hormone therapy and so on, while I have reservations about
participating in
sporting events, and access particularly to women?s spaces
needs to be done
cautiously if at all, and frankly should be done case by case >>>>>>>>> ie let the
folks who have experience and skill make decisions rather than >>>>>>>>> politics.
Within reason if it walks like a duck let it be a duck.
0.4 % of population are trans and split into 3 ie trans men/ >>>>>>>>> women/non
binary.
The chances of encounters so vanishingly small, this is almost >>>>>>>>> entirely
being used for culture wars, and the algorithm which go for
hate as that
will get engagement ie clicks ie makes money from folks dumb >>>>>>>>> enough to get
wound up but such stuff, your being played by your media.
Roger Merriman
NO, I'm standing up for women who don't want to have to compete in >>>>>>>> athletics with men and don't want to have men in their locker rooms >>>>>>>> and rest rooms.
As this is nominally a cycling group I?ll note that UCI events
have banned
trans athletes, in theory someone who transitioned before puberty >>>>>>> would be
eligible but don?t believe there are any.
I believe most sports are similar ie realised that equality isn?t >>>>>>> the same
as fairness and all that jazz.
Note as ever it?s always trans women as that?s what gets the hate >>>>>>> and
attention, which is what the media and so on want.
Note that more than that, it's what the Republican congress-people >>>>>> want!
Look at this conversation:
1) Congressmen are fighting cuts that affect their districts!
2) Yes, just like always.
Note the response was not "Let's all write to our congressmen and
tell
them to cut funding for us." Instead:
3) BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS PEOPLE???
... and the congressfolk are off the hook again.
Those of little intellect can't possibly ignore a dog whistle.
They love
to yap.
folks
have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear
of the
unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
Roger Merriman
1) What is the reason that a person not having met a person who claims >>>> to have changed their gender have to do with their not approving of
males in women's athletics, rest rooms, or locker rooms?
2) It's not "fear of the unknown," it's a dislike for the actual cases >>>> of those events happening.
over
the last few years.
Some have, some haven't.
"578+ Male* Victories in Female Sports: A Nine-Month Tally"
https://womenssportspolicy.org/253-male-victories-in-female-sports/
Ie the argument in sports for transgender athletes was always weak,
and has
been won essentially.
Not in the USA.
As before your being played, for someone who claims to be free
thinker your
not doing much of that.
See the "Nine-Month Tally," above.. I think you're the one that's
being played. Where on Earth do you get your news?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
What could go wrong?
https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender- opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out
On 5/9/2025 1:51 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 12:22:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:
On 5/9/2025 4:30 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Folks are being played for 0.2 % of the population who most likely
folks
have never met! Let at lone have conversation with! As ever fear of
the
unknown and all that, there are so many more important issues.
They are being played. They're as smart as a dog who's suddenly seen a
squirrel. The dog drops whatever he was doing and thinks "SQUIRREL!
SQUIRREL! SQUIRREL!"
The yapping puppy here drops discussion of legitimate economic issues
and says "TRANS! TRANS! TRANS!" And all other thoughts fly out of his
brain.
Krygowski, apparently wants everyone to shut up about trans people,...
Krygowski prefers to talk about bike technology, or about issues that
really matter. 0.2% of the population is important only as a political
dog whistle.
On Thu May 8 14:56:21 2025 floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 14:09:10 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/8/2025 11:18 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to >>>>>>>> rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I >>>>>>>> predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial >>>>>>>> interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their- >>>>>>>> states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually
investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger >>>>>>> about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman- >>>>>>> opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help
eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Hmmmm.? Comprised of a few billion cells, each with all and only X
chromosomes? Unless that, it's untrue.
There's significantly more to gender than chromosomes, whether the
homophobic patriarchy wants to accept it or not.
Assumes "facts" not in evidence.
On Thu May 8 14:56:21 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 14:09:10 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/8/2025 11:18 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to >>>>>>>> rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I >>>>>>>> predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial >>>>>>>> interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their- >>>>>>>> states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually
investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger >>>>>>> about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman- >>>>>>> opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help
eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Hmmmm.? Comprised of a few billion cells, each with all and only X
chromosomes? Unless that, it's untrue.
There's significantly more to gender than chromosomes, whether the
homophobic patriarchy wants to accept it or not.
Assumes "facts" not in evidence.
Whenh I was working on the team to discover the cause of AIDS,
I interviewed many queers dying of that illness.
They had a particular manner of speaking and over and over, Flunky reminds me of them and then totally self centered egos.
Here he pulls and Obama and tells us that men can be women by wishing it so.
This IS a queer fetish and he has been doing this for a long time.
On 5/9/2025 4:33 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:45 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women.
Yes there are. There's even one in my daughter's class at school.
A woman with all XX cells throughout her body is a woman. Else, not.
On Thu May 8 14:56:21 2025 floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 14:09:10 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/8/2025 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/8/2025 11:18 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 07:45:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
We discussed the administration's intentions, piloted by Mr Musk, to >>>>>>>>> rein in some of the most egregious of the government's overspending. I
predicted that effort would fall to individual Congressmen's parochial
interests.
Headline today says it all:
https://www.nysun.com/article/republicans-demand-trumps-one-big- >>>>>>>>> beautiful-bill-not-add-a-penny-to-the-deficit-unless-its-for-their- >>>>>>>>> states
Perhaps if Midge would use the DOGE house committee to actually >>>>>>>> investigate waste and fraud rather than use it to rant and hate-monger >>>>>>>> about her pet peeves they might get somewhere.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/doge-subcommittee-chairwoman- >>>>>>>> opens-hearing-on-keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
Because banning trans women from competing in sports will help >>>>>>>> eliminate
waste and fraud in the government, right?
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Hmmmm.? Comprised of a few billion cells, each with all and only X
chromosomes? Unless that, it's untrue.
There's significantly more to gender than chromosomes, whether the
homophobic patriarchy wants to accept it or not.
Assumes "facts" not in evidence.
The facts exists, as facts. That you don't like them doesn't make them
any less factual.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6677266/
On 5/9/2025 12:08 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 16:47:53 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 15:44 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 14:17:30 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>> wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 14:07 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-
mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-
mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in >>>>>>>>>> born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and >>>>>>>>> very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because >>>>>>>>> "women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's
athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every >>>>>>>> day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have >>>>>>> to put
up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the
women's
line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to
the rest
room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms. Most women >>>>>> do mind men in their restrooms.
IOC. Most black people don't mind white people in their part of
the bus
but most white people mind black people in their part of the bus.
You wish to time-travel back to the 1950's.
Perhaps back in the 1950s, but what's your point?
Do think that because most men don't have a problem with women in
their restrooms, women should not have a problem with men in their
restrooms? If you do, take that issue up with the women in your life.
My point is that "I have a problem with persons of type XXX in a certain >>> public place" is a very bad argument, irrespective of whether 'XXX' is
"black", "male" or "homosexual".
I have to put up with polite female cleaners in male restrooms, and
every woman will have to put up with polite male cleaners in female
restrooms (the number of male cleaners is very small, but the number of
transexuals is a lot smaller).
I should not have to put up with any harassment in male restrooms,
regardless whether this harassment originated from a male or female
person,
and no female person should have to put up with any harassment in female >>> restroom, regardless whether this harassement originated from a male or
female person.
Restroom cleaning people are not the issue here, nor is harrassment.
Most women seem to have a preference for female gender specific
restrooms and locker rooms. Unless there are no male gender specific
restrooms and locker rooms available, why shouldn't their preference
prevail, as it has for hundreds of years?
Or just ask any woman. Really, any woman.
On 5/9/2025 10:01 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/9/2025 4:33 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:45 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women.
Yes there are. There's even one in my daughter's class at school.
A woman with all XX cells throughout her body is a woman. Else, not.
There's significantly more to gender than chromosomes, whether the
homophobic patriarchy wants to accept it or not.
Am 09.05.2025 um 19:37 schrieb AMuzi:
On 5/9/2025 12:08 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 16:47:53 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 15:44 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 14:17:30 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>> wrote:My point is that "I have a problem with persons of type XXX in a certain >>>> public place" is a very bad argument, irrespective of whether 'XXX' is >>>> "black", "male" or "homosexual".
Am 09.05.2025 um 14:07 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 13:13:35 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-
mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 09.05.2025 um 12:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 9 May 2025 11:36:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig- >>>>>>>>> mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:53 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryderá wrote:
Those are males. Males are not women.
The curiosity of this condition is that it does not occur in >>>>>>>>>>> born women who believe that they were really men.
The number of trans men and trans women is very similar (and >>>>>>>>>> very small).
It's just the "anti-woke" people do not take an issue.
Similarly, Queen Victoria did not ban female homosexuality because >>>>>>>>>> "women do not have sex voluntarily".
Homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is men in women's
athletics,
rest rooms, and locker rooms. The fact that it doesn't happen every >>>>>>>>> day, doesn't mean that it's not an issue.
Why is "women in mens rest room" not an issue? I personally have >>>>>>>> to put
up with women in mens rest room at least once a year when the
women's
line to the rest room has a 15 minute wait and the mens line to >>>>>>>> the rest
room is empty.
It's because most men don't mind women in their restrooms. Most women >>>>>>> do mind men in their restrooms.
IOC.á Most black people don't mind white people in their part of
the bus
but most white people mind black people in their part of the bus.
You wish to time-travel back to the 1950's.
Perhaps back in the 1950s, but what's your point?
Do think that because most men don't have a problem with women in
their restrooms, women should not have a problem with men in their
restrooms? If you do, take that issue up with the women in your life. >>>>
I have to put up with polite female cleaners in male restrooms, and
every woman will have to put up with polite male cleaners in female
restrooms (the number of male cleaners is very small, but the number of >>>> transexuals is a lot smaller).
I should not have to put up with any harassment in male restrooms,
regardless whether this harassment originated from a male or female
person,
and no female person should have to put up with any harassment in female >>>> restroom, regardless whether this harassement originated from a male or >>>> female person.
Restroom cleaning people are not the issue here, nor is harrassment.
Most women seem to have a preference for female gender specific
restrooms and locker rooms. Unless there are no male gender specific
restrooms and locker rooms available, why shouldn't their preference
prevail, as it has for hundreds of years?
Or just ask any woman.á Really, any woman.
As always, it very much depends on the exact question you are asking.
Try using the question "Which of these two people do you prefer to see
in a ladies' toilet?" with a picture of
a) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Angel>
b) ><https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/05/09/trans-military-commander-confronts-trumps-ban-00339091>
My wife would prefer not to bump into option a above in the rest room.
Kind regards,
Rolf
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5/9/2025 10:01 AM, AMuzi wrote:Indeed seems to be one of those the more you know the more complicated and
On 5/9/2025 4:33 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 22:45 schrieb cyclintom:
On Thu May 8 12:28:55 2025 Catrike Ryderá wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:18:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2025 10:38:01 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
There's no such thing as "trans women."
"Trans woman"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman>
"Transgender women are women who were assigned male at birth"
Those are males. Males are not women.
You will note that there are no men who were born women.
Yes there are.á There's even one in my daughter's class at school.
A woman with all XX cells throughout her body is a woman. Else, not.
There's significantly more to gender than chromosomes, whether the
homophobic patriarchy wants to accept it or not.
so on it gets! Which to be fair Biology is quite good at!
Roger Merriman
On 5/9/2025 11:16 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Whenh I was working on the team to discover the cause of AIDS,
Bullshit. The cause of AIDS was discovered long before you started
working on the PCR project.
On Mon, 12 May 2025 06:44:26 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5/9/2025 11:16 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Whenh I was working on the team to discover the cause of AIDS,
Bullshit. The cause of AIDS was discovered long before you started
working on the PCR project.
The cause was identified on May 20, 1983.
"40 years of HIV discovery: the virus responsible for AIDS is
identified on May 20, 1983" <https://www.pasteur.fr/en/research-journal/news/40-years-hiv-discovery-virus-responsible-aids-identified-may-20-1983>
Difficult to tell where Tom was working on that day as it's earlier
than his first employment (bottom of list): <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
Otherwise, there's nothing in his resume that is even remotely
associated with experience in virology. Perhaps Tom can help with the
name of what institute was funding his "team"?