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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 16:33:00 2025
    On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
    to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
    posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.

    Wrong. It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
    command. I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on
    the way to a lavish Chinese lunch. <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
    "Crop Tool for Activities" <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>

    However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava. There are instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read
    don't look very easy or reliable. <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
    Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that? There's no prices,
    acclaim or notoriety for doing it. There are also people who would be
    happy to report anything suspicious. It's just not worth the risk.

    Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide
    some evidence.

    "How to Report Cheating on Strava" <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>




    This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 10:21:48 2025
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
    to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
    posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.

    Wrong. It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
    command. I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop
    logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on
    the way to a lavish Chinese lunch.
    <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
    "Crop Tool for Activities"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>

    However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava. There are
    instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read
    don't look very easy or reliable.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
    Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that? There's no prices,
    acclaim or notoriety for doing it. There are also people who would be
    happy to report anything suspicious. It's just not worth the risk.

    Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide
    some evidence.

    "How to Report Cheating on Strava"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>

    This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.

    I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really
    bright days". Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2. Fortunately,
    things do look brighter at around noon.

    I don't own a Garmin cycling computer. I use a phone (Moto G Power
    2020) and the free Strava app: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strava>
    I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?)
    bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as
    needed. Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it.

    I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app. It
    happens more often than I care to admit. I solved that problem by
    hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder.

    I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to
    turn off the data logger. I usually walk (not ride) in the morning
    and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later. If
    you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays
    from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits
    somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT.
    <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>

    Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all
    your saved data?


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Sun May 11 19:56:17 2025
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
    to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
    posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.

    Wrong. It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
    command. I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop
    logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on
    the way to a lavish Chinese lunch.
    <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
    "Crop Tool for Activities"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>

    However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava. There are
    instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read
    don't look very easy or reliable.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
    Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that? There's no prices,
    acclaim or notoriety for doing it. There are also people who would be
    happy to report anything suspicious. It's just not worth the risk.

    Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide
    some evidence.

    "How to Report Cheating on Strava"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>

    This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw
    turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.

    Strava is rather better at flagging such stuff up, MTBers are common for
    this, ie forget to turn it off, so have the drive home as well!

    I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really
    bright days". Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2. Fortunately,
    things do look brighter at around noon.

    I don't own a Garmin cycling computer. I use a phone (Moto G Power
    2020) and the free Strava app: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strava>
    I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?)
    bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as
    needed. Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it.

    I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app. It
    happens more often than I care to admit. I solved that problem by
    hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder.

    I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to
    turn off the data logger. I usually walk (not ride) in the morning
    and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later. If
    you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays
    from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits
    somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT.
    <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>

    Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all
    your saved data?


    I rather suspect it showed his bragging rights to be rather unfounded!

    I find it useful as a diary and as a social tool, plus I do like the route builder as I like the path less traveled so can see if someone has used X
    trail and when? Ie is it likely to exist on the ground or does it exist
    only on the map and so on.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Sun May 11 14:12:04 2025
    On 11 May 2025 19:56:17 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
    to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
    posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.

    Wrong. It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
    command. I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop >>>> logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on >>>> the way to a lavish Chinese lunch.
    <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
    "Crop Tool for Activities"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>

    However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava. There are
    instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read >>>> don't look very easy or reliable.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
    Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that? There's no prices,
    acclaim or notoriety for doing it. There are also people who would be >>>> happy to report anything suspicious. It's just not worth the risk.

    Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide
    some evidence.

    "How to Report Cheating on Strava"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>

    This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw >>> turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.

    Strava is rather better at flagging such stuff up, MTBers are common for >this, ie forget to turn it off, so have the drive home as well!

    I just noticed that Tom suggest that:

    "All you have to do isw turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your
    car..."

    That's rather difficult because I don't walk much in areas frequented
    by motor vehicles, hike on paved roads, engage in racing, etc. I
    suspect that Tom expects me to drive my car on the same narrow dirt
    trails on which I hike. I don't think my Subaru will fit: <https://www.reddit.com/r/norcalhiking/comments/116xhb0/quail_hollow_ranch_county_park_feb_3_2023/>

    <https://photos.app.goo.gl/SuzNVahC97S6u4k28>
    Hmmm... Dec 20, 2019. The current sign now includes 4(?) additional
    "No" items.

    I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really
    bright days". Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2. Fortunately,
    things do look brighter at around noon.

    I don't own a Garmin cycling computer. I use a phone (Moto G Power
    2020) and the free Strava app:
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strava>
    I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?)
    bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as
    needed. Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it.

    I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app. It
    happens more often than I care to admit. I solved that problem by
    hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder.

    I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to
    turn off the data logger. I usually walk (not ride) in the morning
    and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later. If
    you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays
    from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits
    somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT.
    <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>

    Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all
    your saved data?


    I rather suspect it showed his bragging rights to be rather unfounded!

    Actually, Tom's Strava data didn't show many unfounded claims. At the
    time, I was being very diplomatic and did NOT post many remarks about
    Tom's rides. My only comments involved Tom making occasional mistakes
    and using his rides as "proof" whether Abbott Labs had closed one of
    their building in the area. I didn't fact check all of Tom's rides,
    but the one's I checked were generally accurate for location and
    fairly inaccurate at to speed and distance probably because Tom didn't calibrate his speed and cadence sensor or crop is data the few times
    when he accidentally included a car ride. I suspect the only reason
    Tom was posting his rides to Strava was because Lou Holtman had asked
    Tom to post his Strava rides (approx May 2021 thru Feb 2024).

    I find it useful as a diary and as a social tool, plus I do like the route >builder as I like the path less traveled so can see if someone has used X >trail and when? Ie is it likely to exist on the ground or does it exist
    only on the map and so on.

    I record my rides on Strava mostly to impress my friends, some of whom
    are becoming couch potatoes (fat and lazy). I also want to get better aquatinted with the program and how it works. Also, because my
    cardiologist repeatedly demands that I get more exercise.

    Roger Merriman

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 22:30:33 2025
    On Sun May 11 19:56:17 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
    to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
    posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.

    Wrong. It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
    command. I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop >>> logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on >>> the way to a lavish Chinese lunch.
    <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
    "Crop Tool for Activities"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>

    However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava. There are
    instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read >>> don't look very easy or reliable.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
    Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that? There's no prices,
    acclaim or notoriety for doing it. There are also people who would be >>> happy to report anything suspicious. It's just not worth the risk.

    Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide
    some evidence.

    "How to Report Cheating on Strava"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>

    This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw >> turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.

    Strava is rather better at flagging such stuff up, MTBers are common for this, ie forget to turn it off, so have the drive home as well!

    I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really
    bright days". Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2. Fortunately,
    things do look brighter at around noon.

    I don't own a Garmin cycling computer. I use a phone (Moto G Power
    2020) and the free Strava app: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strava>
    I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?) bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as
    needed. Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it.

    I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app. It
    happens more often than I care to admit. I solved that problem by
    hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder.

    I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to
    turn off the data logger. I usually walk (not ride) in the morning
    and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later. If
    you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays
    from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits
    somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT. <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>

    Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all
    your saved data?


    I rather suspect it showed his bragging rights to be rather unfounded!

    I find it useful as a diary and as a social tool, plus I do like the route builder as I like the path less traveled so can see if someone has used X trail and when? Ie is it likely to exist on the ground or does it exist
    only on the map and so on.




    I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about how much faster they were. Half of these guys were Cat 1 or 2! This was the same reason I stopped riding with the
    club - I am not a racer and if I'm going fast it pisses me off that the club racers would take a different route so that they could get there before me. And up to four years ago I was outclimbing most of the people in the club without trying to. So I
    took to riding with the slowpokes at the back. I could drop anyone on a decent. Probably because I didn't like riding close to others at speed.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 22:52:02 2025
    On Wed May 7 15:51:52 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Wed, 07 May 2025 20:11:56 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 5 18:00:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:25:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    But the fact remains that you don't even know what a test engineer is.

    Methinks the problem is that you don't know what a fact is.

    Jeff the only time you worked for a company, was it QC or test engineer?

    Nice of you to provide a rather limited number of choices.

    You'll find my resume at: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/> Don't forget to pretend that you couldn't find my resume. If it helps
    any, I was mostly able to pick my own title. My favorites was "Keeper
    of the Faith" (from Planet of the Apes).

    In any case, did you have time to haunt newsgroups while you were working?

    It was rather difficult for me to haunt Usenet newsgroups before
    Usenet was available to the GUM (great unwashed masses), which was
    everyone who was not a corporation or a university. They didn't have
    public Usenet newsgroups when I was working for a company. My first
    NNTP server, running B-News 2.10 through UUNET) was in about 1984.
    Before that, online chatter and a maximum of 16 newsgroups was limited
    to BBS's (bulletin board systems) using a mechanical Model 33 ASR
    teletype.

    10/18/2024 <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=112701&group=rec.bicycles.tech#112701>
    Message-ID: <2BAQO.251408$EEm7.40885@fx16.iad>
    "When I worked a job, I NEVER had time for anything other than work"




    Jeff, why did you avoid the question? There were private newsgroups forever since Jobst started all of the "rec.bicycles" groups. I will say that it is sort of peculiar that the three of you are so interested in protecting each other's asses. There is
    obviously a reason for that.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to You on Sun May 11 20:55:24 2025
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 22:52:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed May 7 15:51:52 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Wed, 07 May 2025 20:11:56 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 5 18:00:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:25:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    But the fact remains that you don't even know what a test engineer is. >> >>
    Methinks the problem is that you don't know what a fact is.

    Jeff the only time you worked for a company, was it QC or test engineer?

    Nice of you to provide a rather limited number of choices.

    You'll find my resume at:
    <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
    Don't forget to pretend that you couldn't find my resume. If it helps
    any, I was mostly able to pick my own title. My favorites was "Keeper
    of the Faith" (from Planet of the Apes).

    In any case, did you have time to haunt newsgroups while you were working? >>
    It was rather difficult for me to haunt Usenet newsgroups before
    Usenet was available to the GUM (great unwashed masses), which was
    everyone who was not a corporation or a university. They didn't have
    public Usenet newsgroups when I was working for a company. My first
    NNTP server, running B-News 2.10 through UUNET) was in about 1984.
    Before that, online chatter and a maximum of 16 newsgroups was limited
    to BBS's (bulletin board systems) using a mechanical Model 33 ASR
    teletype.

    10/18/2024
    <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=112701&group=rec.bicycles.tech#112701>
    Message-ID: <2BAQO.251408$EEm7.40885@fx16.iad>
    "When I worked a job, I NEVER had time for anything other than work"

    Jeff, why did you avoid the question? There were private newsgroups forever since Jobst started all of the "rec.bicycles" groups. I will say that it is sort of peculiar that the three of you are so interested in protecting each other's asses. There is
    obviously a reason for that.

    You asked me:

    Jeff the only time you worked for a company, was it QC or test engineer?

    I answered with:

    Nice of you to provide a rather limited number of choices.
    You'll find my resume at: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/> Don't forget to pretend that you couldn't find my resume.

    You forgot to pretend. Notice that neither QC or test engineer
    appears in my online resume.

    Debating with you is a waste of my time. However, it does offer a
    diversion while I'm waiting for the thread locker (Loctite Blue 242)
    to totally cure. Googling... The destructions say 24 hrs. That's
    too much time to waste arguing with you. There should be a YouTube
    video on what to do while waiting for the thread lock to cure.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 01:01:20 2025
    On 5/11/2025 6:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 5 18:12:22 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/5/2025 2:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:

    knock off the bullshit. After you published that obviously fake account of 2 200 mile rides at a 20 mph average ...

    Nope, that never happened, and nobody here believes it did. You're
    fantasizing, Tom, and making yourself look really foolish yet again.

    You can fix this two ways. One would be to link to Zen's actual post
    where he said what you claim. Problem is, that's impossible.

    Another way would be to admit you're wrong yet again. You've managed to
    do that only a couple times, but it's not impossible.

    There is absolutely no way that you could have missed that claim of 2, 200 mile rides from someone that couldn't ride 50 miles.

    So you're lying because that is what you do.

    Tom, you should have noticed that NOBODY has backed up your imagination
    about what Zen has posted. NOBODY else says they have seen what you claim.

    Again, if it's true, give a link. If you can't, admit you're wrong.
    You're making yourself look worse each time you repeat your nonsense.


    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Mon May 12 06:19:59 2025
    On 5/11/2025 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
    to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
    posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.

    Wrong. It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
    command. I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop
    logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on
    the way to a lavish Chinese lunch.
    <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
    "Crop Tool for Activities"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>

    However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava. There are
    instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read
    don't look very easy or reliable.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
    Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that? There's no prices,
    acclaim or notoriety for doing it. There are also people who would be
    happy to report anything suspicious. It's just not worth the risk.

    Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide
    some evidence.

    "How to Report Cheating on Strava"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>

    This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.

    I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really
    bright days". Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2. Fortunately,
    things do look brighter at around noon.

    I don't own a Garmin cycling computer. I use a phone (Moto G Power
    2020) and the free Strava app: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strava>
    I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?)
    bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as
    needed. Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it.

    I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app. It
    happens more often than I care to admit. I solved that problem by
    hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder.

    I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to
    turn off the data logger. I usually walk (not ride) in the morning
    and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later. If
    you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays
    from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits
    somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT.
    <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>

    Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all
    your saved data?



    I suspect tommy keeps claiming he saw these herculean rides that were
    obviously cheated becasue that's something he would do.

    Remember, tommy's the one who keeps claiming he hits 69 mph on a
    downhill recently

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon May 12 06:24:06 2025
    On 5/11/2025 3:56 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
    to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
    posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.

    Wrong. It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
    command. I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop >>>> logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on >>>> the way to a lavish Chinese lunch.
    <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
    "Crop Tool for Activities"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>

    However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava. There are
    instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read >>>> don't look very easy or reliable.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
    Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that? There's no prices,
    acclaim or notoriety for doing it. There are also people who would be >>>> happy to report anything suspicious. It's just not worth the risk.

    Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide
    some evidence.

    "How to Report Cheating on Strava"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>

    This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw >>> turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.

    Strava is rather better at flagging such stuff up, MTBers are common for this, ie forget to turn it off, so have the drive home as well!

    That's happened to me, and I've always cropped the rides.
    I really don't understand the obsession tommy is having with these lies
    about these rides. As i keep saying, if I were to ever post a ride like
    that my friends would immediately have called bullshit. What sense
    would it make for me to try to lie to people I ride with all the time
    who know I'd never able to accomplish something like that, but for some
    reason try to hide it from some on-line jackass like tommy?


    I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really
    bright days". Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2. Fortunately,
    things do look brighter at around noon.

    I don't own a Garmin cycling computer. I use a phone (Moto G Power
    2020) and the free Strava app:
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strava>
    I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?)
    bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as
    needed. Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it.

    I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app. It
    happens more often than I care to admit. I solved that problem by
    hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder.

    I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to
    turn off the data logger. I usually walk (not ride) in the morning
    and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later. If
    you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays
    from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits
    somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT.
    <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>

    Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all
    your saved data?


    I rather suspect it showed his bragging rights to be rather unfounded!

    I find it useful as a diary and as a social tool, plus I do like the route builder as I like the path less traveled so can see if someone has used X trail and when? Ie is it likely to exist on the ground or does it exist
    only on the map and so on.

    Roger Merriman




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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 09:17:44 2025
    On 5/11/2025 6:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:

    I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about how much faster they were. Half of these guys were Cat 1 or 2!

    Bullshit - that isn't how Strava works. The only way that would happen
    is if you somehow managed to piss them off so that they would comment on
    the ride and mention you specifically. It's more likely that in the
    early days of strava you managed a KOM due to it being a relatively new segment, and some kid came along a blew it out of the water. Of course,
    you being the narcissistic little prick that you are took it as a
    personal affront, when all the kid did was ride the same segment faster
    than you.

    This was the same reason I stopped riding with the club - I am not a racer and if I'm going fast it pisses me off that the club racers would take a different route so that they could get there before me.

    More like 'get away from you'.

    And up to four years ago I was outclimbing most of the people in the club without trying to.

    We've let annoying assholes like you go alone up a hill before as well,
    then wait till they were out of sight and turn off.

    So I took to riding with the slowpokes at the back.

    Those poor unfortunate souls....

    I could drop anyone on a decent. Probably because I didn't like riding close to others at speed.

    More likely the same reason they let you go up the hill alone. Some
    obnoxious asshole with sketchy handling skill - yeah, just let him go.


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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Mon May 12 13:30:05 2025
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On 11 May 2025 19:56:17 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
    to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
    posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.

    Wrong. It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
    command. I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop >>>>> logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on >>>>> the way to a lavish Chinese lunch.
    <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
    "Crop Tool for Activities"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>

    However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava. There are
    instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read >>>>> don't look very easy or reliable.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
    Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that? There's no prices,
    acclaim or notoriety for doing it. There are also people who would be >>>>> happy to report anything suspicious. It's just not worth the risk.

    Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide >>>>> some evidence.

    "How to Report Cheating on Strava"
    <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>

    This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw >>>> turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.

    Strava is rather better at flagging such stuff up, MTBers are common for
    this, ie forget to turn it off, so have the drive home as well!

    I just noticed that Tom suggest that:

    "All you have to do isw turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car..."

    That's rather difficult because I don't walk much in areas frequented
    by motor vehicles, hike on paved roads, engage in racing, etc. I
    suspect that Tom expects me to drive my car on the same narrow dirt
    trails on which I hike. I don't think my Subaru will fit: <https://www.reddit.com/r/norcalhiking/comments/116xhb0/quail_hollow_ranch_county_park_feb_3_2023/>

    <https://photos.app.goo.gl/SuzNVahC97S6u4k28>
    Hmmm... Dec 20, 2019. The current sign now includes 4(?) additional
    "No" items.

    I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really
    bright days". Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2. Fortunately,
    things do look brighter at around noon.

    I don't own a Garmin cycling computer. I use a phone (Moto G Power
    2020) and the free Strava app:
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strava>
    I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?)
    bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as
    needed. Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it.

    I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app. It
    happens more often than I care to admit. I solved that problem by
    hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder.

    I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to
    turn off the data logger. I usually walk (not ride) in the morning
    and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later. If
    you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays
    from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits
    somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT.
    <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>

    Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all
    your saved data?


    I rather suspect it showed his bragging rights to be rather unfounded!

    Actually, Tom's Strava data didn't show many unfounded claims. At the
    time, I was being very diplomatic and did NOT post many remarks about
    Tom's rides. My only comments involved Tom making occasional mistakes
    and using his rides as "proof" whether Abbott Labs had closed one of
    their building in the area. I didn't fact check all of Tom's rides,
    but the one's I checked were generally accurate for location and
    fairly inaccurate at to speed and distance probably because Tom didn't calibrate his speed and cadence sensor or crop is data the few times
    when he accidentally included a car ride. I suspect the only reason
    Tom was posting his rides to Strava was because Lou Holtman had asked
    Tom to post his Strava rides (approx May 2021 thru Feb 2024).

    I find it useful as a diary and as a social tool, plus I do like the route >> builder as I like the path less traveled so can see if someone has used X
    trail and when? Ie is it likely to exist on the ground or does it exist
    only on the map and so on.

    I record my rides on Strava mostly to impress my friends, some of whom
    are becoming couch potatoes (fat and lazy). I also want to get better aquatinted with the program and how it works. Also, because my
    cardiologist repeatedly demands that I get more exercise.

    <www.veloviewer.com> will allow more geekery as with Strava is limited by
    the accuracy of the units but interestingly nevertheless.

    Roger Merriman


    Roger Merriman

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