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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 16:42:47 2025
    On Mon May 5 19:17:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?

    Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
    Copyright Office. Have you done this? <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>

    Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
    need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
    legislation or an "opinion piece".

    You stated that:
    "I have written scientific studies and reports."
    If you have written more than one, where are they?

    I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.

    You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
    If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
    would have been de-classified by now.

    I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL. The time
    span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
    your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
    recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009, you worked full time
    during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
    and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
    your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
    required considerable editorial assistance.

    I worked for LBRL as well.

    That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
    Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
    your online resume: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

    And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and super
    accurate timing.

    Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
    including post graduate students.

    05/27/2024
    Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$EkJ4.11941@fx14.iad> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
    (need to update post number)
    "...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
    AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
    degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
    keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
    investments." etc...

    Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.

    Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
    The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.

    Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?

    Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of yourself.




    You didn't answer my question, was your mother's health impaired when she was pregnant with you? There is certainly something wrong with a person that took 6 years to get a 4 year degree and was never able to work above the levewl of technician.

    Have you ever simply stepped back and observed the course of your life?

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 16:50:00 2025
    On Tue May 6 06:18:07 2025 zen cycle wrote:
    On 5/5/2025 10:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 18:05:52 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html This was submitted to three cycling magazines who responded that they were trying to increase helmet use so wouldn't publish it.

    It's their right to refuse to publish your article. You could scream censorship, but if you're not running for political office, freedom of speech doesn't apply. Free speech only restricts the government from tossing your articles in the recycler. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech>

    https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?

    Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
    Copyright Office. Have you done this? <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>

    Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
    need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
    legislation or an "opinion piece".

    You stated that:
    "I have written scientific studies and reports."
    If you have written more than one, where are they?

    I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.

    You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
    If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
    would have been de-classified by now.

    I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL.

    He didn't. If he did, he should be able to at least recall the subject
    matter and summarize the abstract of the papers here - and as you note,
    it would have been declassified long ago.

    The time
    span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
    your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
    recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009,

    Correction - drunken driving accident. Tom may have had a bike accident,
    but that wasn't the incident that was coincident with his two year gap.
    I'm pretty convinced he did jail time for that since an arrest warrant
    was issued for him for failure to appear for his drunk driving charge.
    This would explain his lack of presence in forums as well as his
    complaint that he had to sell all his bike stuff (to pay the fines).

    you worked full time
    during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
    and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
    your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
    required considerable editorial assistance.

    I worked for LBRL as well.

    That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL, Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
    your online resume: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

    And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
    super accurate timing.

    Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
    including post graduate students.

    I also note he claims to have this "extreme high voltage experience" yet nothing in his resume show that experience. Then too he claims they
    needed "super accurate timing". If they were interested in critical
    timing measurements, I think it's safe to assume that anyone with
    tommy's alleged credentials wouldn't have a much of a learning curve to
    be able to contribute (because a recent college graduate is more
    desirable for critical control systems than a season profession in the specific area of expertise...lol).

    For all intents and purposes, the statement "I had been hired there for
    my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very
    high voltage and super accurate timing" is just more self-aggrandizing bullshit. He may have gotten an interview because of the embellishments
    on his resume (spelling and factual errors therein notwithstanding) but
    he never actually worked at NASA, LLRL, LBNL, or Analog Devices.


    05/27/2024
    Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$EkJ4.11941@fx14.iad> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
    (need to update post number)
    "...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
    AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
    degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
    keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their investments." etc...

    Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.

    Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
    The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.

    Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?

    Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of yourself.

    He does pretty well with that on his own.




    Flunky, you've alreqdy told us that your boss doesn't give a shit what you do. So the oinly thing you do is sign things. With that sort of experience your ability to deduce things is questionable at best. I have money and you don't. I have spent around
    50 years as an engineer. working for important companies and you're afraid to use your own name for fear that people will look you up on LinkedIn.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 17:01:39 2025
    On Tue May 6 06:18:07 2025 zen cycle wrote:
    On 5/5/2025 10:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 18:05:52 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html This was submitted to three cycling magazines who responded that they were trying to increase helmet use so wouldn't publish it.

    It's their right to refuse to publish your article. You could scream censorship, but if you're not running for political office, freedom of speech doesn't apply. Free speech only restricts the government from tossing your articles in the recycler. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech>

    https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?

    Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
    Copyright Office. Have you done this? <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>

    Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
    need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
    legislation or an "opinion piece".

    You stated that:
    "I have written scientific studies and reports."
    If you have written more than one, where are they?

    I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.

    You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
    If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
    would have been de-classified by now.

    I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL.

    He didn't. If he did, he should be able to at least recall the subject
    matter and summarize the abstract of the papers here - and as you note,
    it would have been declassified long ago.

    The time
    span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
    your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
    recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009,

    Correction - drunken driving accident. Tom may have had a bike accident,
    but that wasn't the incident that was coincident with his two year gap.
    I'm pretty convinced he did jail time for that since an arrest warrant
    was issued for him for failure to appear for his drunk driving charge.
    This would explain his lack of presence in forums as well as his
    complaint that he had to sell all his bike stuff (to pay the fines).

    you worked full time
    during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
    and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
    your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
    required considerable editorial assistance.

    I worked for LBRL as well.

    That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL, Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
    your online resume: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

    And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
    super accurate timing.

    Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
    including post graduate students.

    I also note he claims to have this "extreme high voltage experience" yet nothing in his resume show that experience. Then too he claims they
    needed "super accurate timing". If they were interested in critical
    timing measurements, I think it's safe to assume that anyone with
    tommy's alleged credentials wouldn't have a much of a learning curve to
    be able to contribute (because a recent college graduate is more
    desirable for critical control systems than a season profession in the specific area of expertise...lol).

    For all intents and purposes, the statement "I had been hired there for
    my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very
    high voltage and super accurate timing" is just more self-aggrandizing bullshit. He may have gotten an interview because of the embellishments
    on his resume (spelling and factual errors therein notwithstanding) but
    he never actually worked at NASA, LLRL, LBNL, or Analog Devices.


    05/27/2024
    Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$EkJ4.11941@fx14.iad> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
    (need to update post number)
    "...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
    AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
    degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
    keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their investments." etc...

    Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.

    Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
    The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.

    Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?

    Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of yourself.

    He does pretty well with that on his own.




    Gee, I have recommendations from prominent managers and scientists. You have nothing at all. Isn't that surprising.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 18:08:56 2025
    On Mon May 5 12:59:49 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:

    brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?




    Becase you don't ride so nothing happens to you. You and Frank are alike andput in 5 miles a year.And then talk about riding as if you actually did it.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 23:51:19 2025
    On Sun May 4 09:51:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 06:53:05 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.

    Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.

    What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version

    No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>> it's not YOUR software.

    Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>> more aligned with reality:

    Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
    program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
    features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>> that you find."

    Introducing the new Public Beta Program
    <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>

    How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>

    Public Beta Reports:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>>



    Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
    than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.

    You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?

    Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>> really proud.




    Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.

    Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
    me a lot of money to do it.

    Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.

    Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell >you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
    link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
    bracket at the beginning also.

    Yep. The angle brackets don't work as delimiters unless there is a
    matched pair of angle brackets.

    Secondly, any browser app will look at
    the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and >extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
    click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)

    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] ><https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] >https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/ ><https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/

    All those work as expected using Forte Agent. However, one of the
    purposes of the angle brackets is to deal with spaces and special
    characters in the middle of a URL. That's also the reason that online
    news services replace spaces with "-" dash characters in the URL. For example, trying to use double quotes to deal with blanks results in non-functional URL's like these:

    "https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the basics of time domain
    reflectometry tdr"

    https://www.hvtechnologies.com/"the basics of time domain
    reflectometry tdr"

    The angle brackets also prevent the spelling checker in Forte Agent
    from attempting to spell check words in the URL. It will correctly
    ignore spelling issues in anything that starts with http or https and
    which is properly delimited by angle brackets. Without these, Forte
    Agent will try to spell check everything after the first space in the
    URL.

    Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser >intsallation app.

    Tom is not using a browser. There's no line in the header identifying
    the software in any of his postings. For example:
    User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
    is mising. Instead, he's probably using the news reader from his NNTP service (Newshosting.com).
    <https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
    Another indication that he's using their news reader is the mess it
    makes dealing with upper/lower case replies such as:
    Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Disc's without power

    And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
    - it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the >brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?




    https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/

    9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?

    Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 14:08:19 2025
    On Mon May 12 01:19:01 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

    I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN
    but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the
    forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.

    The image purportedly from Youngstown has trash containers that don't
    match the company that does the collection (Waste Management). There's
    bright sunlight on one house, but no corresponding shadow from adjacent houses. The roofs of the houses are amazingly perfect, etc. etc.

    As I said, the article contained not one bit of actual data. A young
    hack journalist hit on an idea and picked a near-random set of cities to slag. I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such
    work?




    Frank, are you claiming that Youngstown is heaven on Earth? As for waste management, who did you call at WM, show them those pictures and ask about them? WM here has changed the waste reccepticles over time because they do not make them and it is a
    lowest bidder industry.

    The ends you two will go to to cover your asses is incredible. You won't even ride to those areas and you're agreeing with the moron that just told you that the newsgroups didn't exist when he was working.

    There's no bullshit too deep for you three to walk in.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 14:44:35 2025
    On Sun May 11 23:42:26 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:26:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:

    I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN >>but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the >>forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.

    Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
    of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no >broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It >wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
    them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images
    on one page makes it easier to compare: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
    (click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
    look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.

    I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
    would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such >>work?

    Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example:

    "Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
    house designs, from layout to aesthetics." ><https://openart.ai/generator/house>

    More: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>

    I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to >design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
    think I could have produced something useful eventually.

    Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
    "Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
    That produced this: ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
    and this:
    "add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
    The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
    "brighten picture" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
    Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
    "undo" followed by "brighten bicycle" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
    Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.

    Notice what the AI though "downtube shifters" look like. Hardly
    realistic and on the wrong tube. Similar problems with pedals and
    headlight.

    This is my first (and last) attempt to produce a run down
    neighborhood, like in the original article. Amazingly similar,
    methinks:
    "draw a run down urban row of stores, with thick grass growing along
    the sidewalk, some graffiti on the walls, and a trash bin in front of
    one house" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.efcaba9c-45d8-48b2-96fc-7b4f953ac4ed.png>
    Notice the similar sky compared to the original article.
    "brighten the buildings" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.a3de4530-e4a6-40a0-8d13-8c22026c1f5b.png>

    Starting to look familiar? I suspect such garbage will be quite
    common, especially because it doesn't require signed photo release
    forms.




    When was the last time you were in Youngstown, Liebermann? The fact is that you've never been anywhere in your life! You were right there with Google Earth to tell everyone that I was lying about the condition of the road and that there was no reservoir
    behind the dam on Cull Canyon when you had never been there in your life. But You can't see the wrecks around Bears Den Road in Youngstown? Houses without waterproof roofs etc.

    The fact is that you couldn't even read my statement that photos like that tell you nothing. Without numbers? All that means is that they do not receive mail to an address. For that matter, the houses in Poland, OH look like the oldest junk pn west
    Oakland.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 14:56:27 2025
    On Mon May 12 05:47:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:

    Most of those pictures look terribly fake.




    You couldn't possibly believe articles like that could you? But the general gist is currect. It was a town founded on coal and steel which is no more so Youngstown has no reason to exist.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 15:01:10 2025
    On Mon May 12 07:48:03 2025 AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from
    customer is a competent LBS? Is that a residential address
    for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest-listings




    Those are high end houses. Show high end houses here ($2 million plus)

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 18:40:08 2025
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
    than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over
    a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.




    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 18:43:31 2025
    On Mon May 12 15:29:58 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:42:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:26:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:

    I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN >>>> but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the >>>> forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.

    Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
    of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no >>> broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It >>> wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
    them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images >>> on one page makes it easier to compare:
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
    (click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
    look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.

    I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
    would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such >>>> work?

    Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example: >>>
    "Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
    house designs, from layout to aesthetics."
    <https://openart.ai/generator/house>

    More:
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>

    I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to >>> design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
    think I could have produced something useful eventually.

    Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
    "Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
    That produced this:
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
    and this:
    "add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
    The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
    "brighten picture"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
    Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
    "undo" followed by "brighten bicycle"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
    Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.

    Notice what the AI though "downtube shifters" look like. Hardly
    realistic and on the wrong tube. Similar problems with pedals and
    headlight.

    This is my first (and last) attempt to produce a run down
    neighborhood, like in the original article. Amazingly similar,
    methinks:
    "draw a run down urban row of stores, with thick grass growing along
    the sidewalk, some graffiti on the walls, and a trash bin in front of
    one house"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.efcaba9c-45d8-48b2-96fc-7b4f953ac4ed.png>
    Notice the similar sky compared to the original article.
    "brighten the buildings"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.a3de4530-e4a6-40a0-8d13-8c22026c1f5b.png>

    Starting to look familiar? I suspect such garbage will be quite
    common, especially because it doesn't require signed photo release
    forms.

    Most of those pictures look terribly fake.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    They are! AI while a useful tool tends to be copy/paste so textures etc are uniform, see also fake images of various famous people.

    Ok I used to be into photography but to my eyes it?s very obvious!




    Anyone that would believe anything from the media has sanity that must be questioned.

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