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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 16:58:22 2025
    On Sun May 4 06:53:05 2025 zen cycle wrote:
    On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.

    Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.

    What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version

    No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
    it's not YOUR software.

    Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
    program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
    more aligned with reality:

    Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
    program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
    features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>> that you find."

    Introducing the new Public Beta Program
    <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>

    How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>

    Public Beta Reports:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>



    Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
    than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.

    You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?

    Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad
    that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you
    really proud.




    Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.

    Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
    me a lot of money to do it.

    Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.

    Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell
    you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
    link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
    bracket at the beginning also. Secondly, any browser app will look at
    the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
    click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)

    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/ <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/

    Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser intsallation app.

    And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
    - it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the
    brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?




    That's why Frank told us that he had to prepare to ride through Youngstown. teach mechanical engineering rather than an MS. On a good day you prove over and over that you haven't a clue what your talking about.

    Have you considered stgand up comedy? "Yes, I hold an important job. Ir's so important that my boss doesn't give a shit what I do."

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 21:36:19 2025
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:51:19 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
    9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?
    Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.

    Congratulations. You've been fooled by AI.

    1. Gary, Indiana was generated with AI. Notice that there are no
    readable letters or numbers on any of the buildings.

    2. Camden, New Jersey was also done with AI. I don't see any house
    numbers on any of the buildings or doors. Someone must be taking care
    of the road because there are no weeds in the road, while there are
    far too many weeds near the houses. I would also expect there to be
    some graffiti on the walls, broken windows, and trash on the streets.

    3 and 4 are similar to 2.

    5. St. Louis, Missouri shows the first indications of graffiti. Some
    of the artwork is too high or badly located to be real. St Louis is
    spelled wrong (because the AI screwed up the text conversion). The
    green "lawn" area looks too real. Unkempt lawn do not support a
    monoculture but tend to support a diverse assortment of plants. No
    debris anywhere is rather suspicious.

    6. Again, the graffiti doesn't look real (no text or numbers). It's
    amazing how many photos of slums can be found without clutter, trees
    or street signs.

    I'll skip forward to:
    9. Youngstown, Ohio which looks very much like the other photos. At
    least there's one trash barrel in the photo. However, I really doubt
    that the city trash and recycling services provide garage collection.
    Most garbage collection involves multiple barrels, by type of waste,
    to make recycling possible. Blue would be recycling.

    30. Bakersfield, California is an exception. Facing the sun, one
    cannot see any detail or colors. Also, not trash and debris in the
    street. Same with
    43. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina

    41. Marion, Indiana shows a small sign in a window, that's completely unreadable. No other letters or numbers anywhere.

    ALL of the 50 photos show very similar sky, clouds, and green plants.
    None of the buildings, objects, poles, etc show any sign of having a
    shadow on the ground. It's also amazing that almost all of the photos
    have almost exactly the same color green plants, even though they are
    located in 50 different cities.




    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Mon May 12 01:19:01 2025
    On 5/12/2025 12:36 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:51:19 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
    9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?
    Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.

    Congratulations. You've been fooled by AI.

    1. Gary, Indiana was generated with AI. Notice that there are no
    readable letters or numbers on any of the buildings.

    2. Camden, New Jersey was also done with AI. I don't see any house
    numbers on any of the buildings or doors. Someone must be taking care
    of the road because there are no weeds in the road, while there are
    far too many weeds near the houses. I would also expect there to be
    some graffiti on the walls, broken windows, and trash on the streets.

    3 and 4 are similar to 2.

    5. St. Louis, Missouri shows the first indications of graffiti. Some
    of the artwork is too high or badly located to be real. St Louis is
    spelled wrong (because the AI screwed up the text conversion). The
    green "lawn" area looks too real. Unkempt lawn do not support a
    monoculture but tend to support a diverse assortment of plants. No
    debris anywhere is rather suspicious.

    6. Again, the graffiti doesn't look real (no text or numbers). It's
    amazing how many photos of slums can be found without clutter, trees
    or street signs.

    I'll skip forward to:
    9. Youngstown, Ohio which looks very much like the other photos. At
    least there's one trash barrel in the photo. However, I really doubt
    that the city trash and recycling services provide garage collection.
    Most garbage collection involves multiple barrels, by type of waste,
    to make recycling possible. Blue would be recycling.

    30. Bakersfield, California is an exception. Facing the sun, one
    cannot see any detail or colors. Also, not trash and debris in the
    street. Same with
    43. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina

    41. Marion, Indiana shows a small sign in a window, that's completely unreadable. No other letters or numbers anywhere.

    ALL of the 50 photos show very similar sky, clouds, and green plants.
    None of the buildings, objects, poles, etc show any sign of having a
    shadow on the ground. It's also amazing that almost all of the photos
    have almost exactly the same color green plants, even though they are
    located in 50 different cities.

    I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN
    but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the
    forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.

    The image purportedly from Youngstown has trash containers that don't
    match the company that does the collection (Waste Management). There's
    bright sunlight on one house, but no corresponding shadow from adjacent
    houses. The roofs of the houses are amazingly perfect, etc. etc.

    As I said, the article contained not one bit of actual data. A young
    hack journalist hit on an idea and picked a near-random set of cities to
    slag. I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
    would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such
    work?


    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to frkrygow@gXXmail.com on Sun May 11 23:26:26 2025
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:

    I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN
    but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the
    forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.

    Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
    of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no
    broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It
    wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
    them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images
    on one page makes it easier to compare: <https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
    (click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
    look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.

    I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
    would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such
    work?

    Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example:

    "Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
    house designs, from layout to aesthetics."
    <https://openart.ai/generator/house>

    More: <https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>

    I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to
    design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
    think I could have produced something useful eventually.

    Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
    "Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
    That produced this: <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
    and this:
    "add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
    The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
    "brighten picture" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
    Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
    "undo" followed by "brighten bicycle" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
    Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.

    Try it. You might even like it.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 23:42:26 2025
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:26:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:

    I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN
    but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the >>forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.

    Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
    of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no
    broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It
    wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
    them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images
    on one page makes it easier to compare: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
    (click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
    look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.

    I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
    would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such >>work?

    Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example:

    "Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
    house designs, from layout to aesthetics." ><https://openart.ai/generator/house>

    More: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>

    I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to
    design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
    think I could have produced something useful eventually.

    Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
    "Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
    That produced this: ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
    and this:
    "add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
    The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
    "brighten picture" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
    Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
    "undo" followed by "brighten bicycle" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
    Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.

    Notice what the AI though "downtube shifters" look like. Hardly
    realistic and on the wrong tube. Similar problems with pedals and
    headlight.

    This is my first (and last) attempt to produce a run down
    neighborhood, like in the original article. Amazingly similar,
    methinks:
    "draw a run down urban row of stores, with thick grass growing along
    the sidewalk, some graffiti on the walls, and a trash bin in front of
    one house" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.efcaba9c-45d8-48b2-96fc-7b4f953ac4ed.png>
    Notice the similar sky compared to the original article.
    "brighten the buildings" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.a3de4530-e4a6-40a0-8d13-8c22026c1f5b.png>

    Starting to look familiar? I suspect such garbage will be quite
    common, especially because it doesn't require signed photo release
    forms.


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Mon May 12 07:48:03 2025
    On 5/12/2025 1:42 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:26:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:

    I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN
    but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the
    forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.

    Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
    of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no
    broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It
    wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
    them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images
    on one page makes it easier to compare:
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
    (click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
    look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.

    I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
    would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such
    work?

    Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example:

    "Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
    house designs, from layout to aesthetics."
    <https://openart.ai/generator/house>

    More:
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>

    I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to
    design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
    think I could have produced something useful eventually.

    Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
    "Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
    That produced this:
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
    and this:
    "add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
    The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
    "brighten picture"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
    Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
    "undo" followed by "brighten bicycle"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
    Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.

    Notice what the AI though "downtube shifters" look like. Hardly
    realistic and on the wrong tube. Similar problems with pedals and
    headlight.

    This is my first (and last) attempt to produce a run down
    neighborhood, like in the original article. Amazingly similar,
    methinks:
    "draw a run down urban row of stores, with thick grass growing along
    the sidewalk, some graffiti on the walls, and a trash bin in front of
    one house" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.efcaba9c-45d8-48b2-96fc-7b4f953ac4ed.png>
    Notice the similar sky compared to the original article.
    "brighten the buildings" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.a3de4530-e4a6-40a0-8d13-8c22026c1f5b.png>

    Starting to look familiar? I suspect such garbage will be quite
    common, especially because it doesn't require signed photo release
    forms.



    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from
    customer is a competent LBS? Is that a residential address
    for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest-listings

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Mon May 12 15:29:58 2025
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:42:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:26:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:

    I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN >>>> but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the
    forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.

    Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
    of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no
    broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It
    wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
    them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images
    on one page makes it easier to compare:
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
    (click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
    look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.

    I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
    would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such >>>> work?

    Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example:

    "Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
    house designs, from layout to aesthetics."
    <https://openart.ai/generator/house>

    More:
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>

    I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to
    design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
    think I could have produced something useful eventually.

    Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
    "Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
    That produced this:
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
    and this:
    "add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
    The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
    "brighten picture"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
    Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
    "undo" followed by "brighten bicycle"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
    Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.

    Notice what the AI though "downtube shifters" look like. Hardly
    realistic and on the wrong tube. Similar problems with pedals and
    headlight.

    This is my first (and last) attempt to produce a run down
    neighborhood, like in the original article. Amazingly similar,
    methinks:
    "draw a run down urban row of stores, with thick grass growing along
    the sidewalk, some graffiti on the walls, and a trash bin in front of
    one house"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.efcaba9c-45d8-48b2-96fc-7b4f953ac4ed.png>
    Notice the similar sky compared to the original article.
    "brighten the buildings"
    <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.a3de4530-e4a6-40a0-8d13-8c22026c1f5b.png>

    Starting to look familiar? I suspect such garbage will be quite
    common, especially because it doesn't require signed photo release
    forms.

    Most of those pictures look terribly fake.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    They are! AI while a useful tool tends to be copy/paste so textures etc are uniform, see also fake images of various famous people.

    Ok I used to be into photography but to my eyes it’s very obvious!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 11:51:20 2025
    On 5/11/2025 2:08 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 5 12:59:49 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:

    brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?

    Becase you don't ride so nothing happens to you. You and Frank are alike andput in 5 miles a year.And then talk about riding as if you actually did it.

    Sure sparky..Internet links work for us because we don't ride bikes.
    There's some kunich-logic if I ever heard it.

    That point notwithstanding....

    https://www.strava.com/athletes/16053273

    2025:
    Activities - 34
    Distance - 709.4 mi
    Elev Gain - 39,112 ft
    Time - 39h 28m (Avg speed ~ 21)

    2024:
    Activities - 126
    Distance - 2,847.1 mi
    Elev Gain - 160,297 ft
    Time - 165h 18m (avg speed ~17 mph)



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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 11:53:05 2025
    On 5/11/2025 7:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sun May 4 09:51:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 06:53:05 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.

    Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.

    What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version

    No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>>>> it's not YOUR software.

    Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>>>> more aligned with reality:

    Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
    program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta >>>>>>> features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>>>> that you find."

    Introducing the new Public Beta Program
    <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>

    How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>

    Public Beta Reports:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>>>>



    Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
    than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.

    You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?

    Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>>>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>>>> really proud.




    Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.

    Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
    me a lot of money to do it.

    Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.

    Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell >>> you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
    link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
    bracket at the beginning also.

    Yep. The angle brackets don't work as delimiters unless there is a
    matched pair of angle brackets.

    Secondly, any browser app will look at
    the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and
    extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
    click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)

    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
    <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
    https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/
    <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/

    All those work as expected using Forte Agent. However, one of the
    purposes of the angle brackets is to deal with spaces and special
    characters in the middle of a URL. That's also the reason that online
    news services replace spaces with "-" dash characters in the URL. For
    example, trying to use double quotes to deal with blanks results in
    non-functional URL's like these:

    "https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the basics of time domain
    reflectometry tdr"

    https://www.hvtechnologies.com/"the basics of time domain
    reflectometry tdr"

    The angle brackets also prevent the spelling checker in Forte Agent
    from attempting to spell check words in the URL. It will correctly
    ignore spelling issues in anything that starts with http or https and
    which is properly delimited by angle brackets. Without these, Forte
    Agent will try to spell check everything after the first space in the
    URL.

    Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser
    intsallation app.

    Tom is not using a browser. There's no line in the header identifying
    the software in any of his postings. For example:
    User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
    is mising. Instead, he's probably using the news reader from his NNTP
    service (Newshosting.com).
    <https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
    Another indication that he's using their news reader is the mess it
    makes dealing with upper/lower case replies such as:
    Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Disc's without power

    And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
    - it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the
    brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?




    https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/

    9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?

    Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.

    Yes, you linked an opinion piece. Here's a fact-based pace

    https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/


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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 11:56:33 2025
    On 5/11/2025 12:58 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sun May 4 06:53:05 2025 zen cycle wrote:
    On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.

    Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.

    What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version

    No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>>> it's not YOUR software.

    Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>>> more aligned with reality:

    Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
    program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
    features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>>> that you find."

    Introducing the new Public Beta Program
    <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>

    How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>

    Public Beta Reports:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>>>



    Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
    than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.

    You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?

    Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>>> really proud.




    Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.

    Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
    me a lot of money to do it.

    Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.

    Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell
    you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
    link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
    bracket at the beginning also. Secondly, any browser app will look at
    the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and
    extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
    click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)

    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
    <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
    https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/> >>

    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/
    <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/ >>
    Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser
    intsallation app.

    And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
    - it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the
    brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?




    That's why Frank told us that he had to prepare to ride through Youngstown.

    <WHOOSH>

    teach mechanical engineering rather than an MS. On a good day you prove over and over that you haven't a clue what your talking about.

    Have you considered stgand up comedy? "Yes, I hold an important job. Ir's so important that my boss doesn't give a shit what I do."

    Yup, that would be a joke, it's so far from the truth as to be absurd.
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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 12:05:58 2025
    On 5/11/2025 12:50 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Tue May 6 06:18:07 2025 zen cycle wrote:


    He does pretty well with that on his own.




    Flunky, you've alreqdy told us that your boss doesn't give a shit what you do.

    I did? Where did I write that?

    So the oinly thing you do is sign things.

    It's not surprising someone like you would make an absurd assumption
    like that.

    With that sort of experience your ability to deduce things is questionable at best.

    I think my logic stands up to yours quite well, mr "i rode a dent out of
    my top tube".

    I have money and you don't.

    Liar
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/hicB2nXjlr4/m/G2axqs0k_IwJ

    Aug 9, 2013, 11:11:36 AM, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:

    "Trouble is that while I was out of it I sold or gave away almost my
    entire bicycle collection. And all of my wardrobe and most of my tools!
    And now on Social Security I have to VERY slowly make it up."

    I have spent around 50 years as an engineer. working for important companies and you're afraid to use your own name for fear that people will look you up on LinkedIn.

    I get daily notifications from Linked about people who have looked me
    up. It tommy world those are "job offers".

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 12:08:19 2025
    On 5/11/2025 1:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Tue May 6 06:18:07 2025 zen cycle wrote:
    On 5/5/2025 10:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 05 May 2025 18:05:52 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html This was submitted to three cycling magazines who responded that they were trying to increase helmet use so wouldn't publish it.

    It's their right to refuse to publish your article. You could scream
    censorship, but if you're not running for political office, freedom of
    speech doesn't apply. Free speech only restricts the government from
    tossing your articles in the recycler.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech>

    https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?

    Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
    Copyright Office. Have you done this?
    <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>

    Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
    need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
    legislation or an "opinion piece".

    You stated that:
    "I have written scientific studies and reports."
    If you have written more than one, where are they?

    I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.

    You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
    If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
    would have been de-classified by now.

    I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL.

    He didn't. If he did, he should be able to at least recall the subject
    matter and summarize the abstract of the papers here - and as you note,
    it would have been declassified long ago.

    The time
    span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
    your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
    recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009,

    Correction - drunken driving accident. Tom may have had a bike accident,
    but that wasn't the incident that was coincident with his two year gap.
    I'm pretty convinced he did jail time for that since an arrest warrant
    was issued for him for failure to appear for his drunk driving charge.
    This would explain his lack of presence in forums as well as his
    complaint that he had to sell all his bike stuff (to pay the fines).

    you worked full time
    during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
    and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
    your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
    required considerable editorial assistance.

    I worked for LBRL as well.

    That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
    Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
    your online resume:
    <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

    And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
    super accurate timing.

    Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
    including post graduate students.

    I also note he claims to have this "extreme high voltage experience" yet
    nothing in his resume show that experience. Then too he claims they
    needed "super accurate timing". If they were interested in critical
    timing measurements, I think it's safe to assume that anyone with
    tommy's alleged credentials wouldn't have a much of a learning curve to
    be able to contribute (because a recent college graduate is more
    desirable for critical control systems than a season profession in the
    specific area of expertise...lol).

    For all intents and purposes, the statement "I had been hired there for
    my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very
    high voltage and super accurate timing" is just more self-aggrandizing
    bullshit. He may have gotten an interview because of the embellishments
    on his resume (spelling and factual errors therein notwithstanding) but
    he never actually worked at NASA, LLRL, LBNL, or Analog Devices.


    05/27/2024
    Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$EkJ4.11941@fx14.iad>
    <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
    (need to update post number)
    "...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
    AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
    degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
    keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
    investments." etc...

    Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.

    Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
    The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.

    Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?

    Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of
    yourself.

    He does pretty well with that on his own.

    Gee, I have recommendations from prominent managers and scientists.

    Somehow....

    You have nothing at all.

    Except a nice career, nice hose, regular vacations...

    Isn't that surprising.

    Not at all.


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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 12:16:54 2025
    On 5/11/2025 12:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 5 19:17:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?

    Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
    Copyright Office. Have you done this?
    <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>

    Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
    need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
    legislation or an "opinion piece".

    You stated that:
    "I have written scientific studies and reports."
    If you have written more than one, where are they?

    I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.

    You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
    If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
    would have been de-classified by now.

    I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL. The time
    span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
    your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
    recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009, you worked full time
    during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
    and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
    your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
    required considerable editorial assistance.

    I worked for LBRL as well.

    That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
    Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
    your online resume:
    <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

    And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
    super accurate timing.

    Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
    including post graduate students.

    05/27/2024
    Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$EkJ4.11941@fx14.iad>
    <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
    (need to update post number)
    "...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
    AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
    degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
    keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
    investments." etc...

    Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.

    Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
    The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.

    Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?

    Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of
    yourself.




    You didn't answer my question, was your mother's health impaired when she was pregnant with you? There is certainly something wrong with a person that took 6 years to get a 4 year degree and was never able to work above the levewl of technician.

    Have you ever simply stepped back and observed the course of your life?

    Have you ever simply stepped back and observed how your alcoholism has
    affected your life and those around you?

    How getting arrested for drunk driving and failure to appear led to
    financial collapse that you never recovered from to the point where you
    can't afford simple vacations?

    Seems to me that your impotence and alcoholism were directly affected by
    your mother and fathers alcohol problems. Maybe that's why you're so
    obsessed with Jeffs alleged issues, because your life is such a fucking
    train wreck that your so desperate to find someone who is worse off than
    you that you're willing to make up lies about them.

    You really are a loathesome piece of trash.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 09:20:09 2025
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 14:56:27 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 12 05:47:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:

    Most of those pictures look terribly fake.

    You couldn't possibly believe articles like that could you? But the general gist is currect. It was a town founded on coal and steel which is no more so Youngstown has no reason to exist.

    Tom. Do you believe what you post? Apparently not. Or, was it
    "entirely your opinion". It was YOU who posted that link as examples
    of urban decay in Youngstown OH.

    Message-ID: <XJaUP.210243$lbbb.77504@fx18.iad>
    NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 23:51:19 UTC
    (...)
    https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
    9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?
    Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
    than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over
    a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 14:07:00 2025
    On 5/12/2025 10:44 AM, cyclintom wrote:

    When was the last time you were in Youngstown, Liebermann?

    How about you, Tom? ;-)

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 18:47:11 2025
    On Mon May 12 14:07:00 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 10:44 AM, cyclintom wrote:

    When was the last time you were in Youngstown, Liebermann?

    How about you, Tom? ;-)




    Why is it that you couldn't read my original post on this subject? Or didn't you notice where I said that those articles were All opinions.

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
    than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over
    a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.

    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Two ways that seems odd:

    First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but
    lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
    don't see people rushing to get away.

    Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
    You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been "destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.

    Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.


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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
    than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over
    a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.




    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....


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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 18:51:30 2025
    On Mon May 12 14:07:00 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 10:44 AM, cyclintom wrote:

    When was the last time you were in Youngstown, Liebermann?

    How about you, Tom? ;-)




    Tell me the last time you owned a disc brake bike? What's the title on this thread? Do actually know anything at all about disc brakes on bicycles?

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 18:55:20 2025
    On Mon May 12 11:53:05 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 7:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sun May 4 09:51:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 06:53:05 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.

    Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.

    What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version

    No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>>>> it's not YOUR software.

    Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>>>> more aligned with reality:

    Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta >>>>>>> program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta >>>>>>> features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>>>> that you find."

    Introducing the new Public Beta Program
    <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>

    How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>

    Public Beta Reports:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/>




    Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
    than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.

    You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?

    Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>>>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>>>> really proud.




    Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.

    Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay >>> me a lot of money to do it.

    Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.

    Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell >>> you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
    link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
    bracket at the beginning also.

    Yep. The angle brackets don't work as delimiters unless there is a
    matched pair of angle brackets.

    Secondly, any browser app will look at
    the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and >>> extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
    click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)

    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
    <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
    https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/
    <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/

    All those work as expected using Forte Agent. However, one of the
    purposes of the angle brackets is to deal with spaces and special
    characters in the middle of a URL. That's also the reason that online
    news services replace spaces with "-" dash characters in the URL. For
    example, trying to use double quotes to deal with blanks results in
    non-functional URL's like these:

    "https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the basics of time domain
    reflectometry tdr"

    https://www.hvtechnologies.com/"the basics of time domain
    reflectometry tdr"

    The angle brackets also prevent the spelling checker in Forte Agent
    from attempting to spell check words in the URL. It will correctly
    ignore spelling issues in anything that starts with http or https and
    which is properly delimited by angle brackets. Without these, Forte
    Agent will try to spell check everything after the first space in the
    URL.

    Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser
    intsallation app.

    Tom is not using a browser. There's no line in the header identifying
    the software in any of his postings. For example:
    User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
    is mising. Instead, he's probably using the news reader from his NNTP
    service (Newshosting.com).
    <https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
    Another indication that he's using their news reader is the mess it
    makes dealing with upper/lower case replies such as:
    Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Disc's without power

    And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
    - it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the
    brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?




    https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/

    9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?

    Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.

    Yes, you linked an opinion piece. Here's a fact-based pace

    https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/




    Another person who cannot read. Does illiteracy run in your family. Or do you just like the feel of Polish ass on your lips?

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 15:26:22 2025
    On 5/12/2025 2:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 11:53:05 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 7:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sun May 4 09:51:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sun, 4 May 2025 06:53:05 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.

    Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>>>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.

    What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version

    No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>>>>>> it's not YOUR software.

    Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>>>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>>>>>> more aligned with reality:

    Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>>>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta >>>>>>>>> program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta >>>>>>>>> features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>>>>>> that you find."

    Introducing the new Public Beta Program
    <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>

    How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>

    Public Beta Reports:
    <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/>




    Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
    than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.

    You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?

    Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>>>>>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>>>>>> really proud.




    Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.

    Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay >>>>> me a lot of money to do it.

    Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.

    Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell >>>>> you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs >>>>> link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
    bracket at the beginning also.

    Yep. The angle brackets don't work as delimiters unless there is a
    matched pair of angle brackets.

    Secondly, any browser app will look at
    the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and >>>>> extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse >>>>> click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)

    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
    <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
    https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
    https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>


    "https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
    [https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/
    <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/

    All those work as expected using Forte Agent. However, one of the
    purposes of the angle brackets is to deal with spaces and special
    characters in the middle of a URL. That's also the reason that online >>>> news services replace spaces with "-" dash characters in the URL. For >>>> example, trying to use double quotes to deal with blanks results in
    non-functional URL's like these:

    "https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the basics of time domain
    reflectometry tdr"

    https://www.hvtechnologies.com/"the basics of time domain
    reflectometry tdr"

    The angle brackets also prevent the spelling checker in Forte Agent
    from attempting to spell check words in the URL. It will correctly
    ignore spelling issues in anything that starts with http or https and
    which is properly delimited by angle brackets. Without these, Forte
    Agent will try to spell check everything after the first space in the
    URL.

    Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser >>>>> intsallation app.

    Tom is not using a browser. There's no line in the header identifying >>>> the software in any of his postings. For example:
    User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
    is mising. Instead, he's probably using the news reader from his NNTP >>>> service (Newshosting.com).
    <https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
    Another indication that he's using their news reader is the mess it
    makes dealing with upper/lower case replies such as:
    Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Disc's without power

    And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
    - it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the >>>>> brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?




    https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/

    9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?

    Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.

    Yes, you linked an opinion piece. Here's a fact-based pace

    https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/




    Another person who cannot read. Does illiteracy run in your family. Or do you just like the feel of Polish ass on your lips?

    I agreed with you, dumbass.....

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 22:20:31 2025
    On Mon May 12 11:51:20 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 2:08 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 5 12:59:49 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:

    brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?

    Becase you don't ride so nothing happens to you. You and Frank are alike andput in 5 miles a year.And then talk about riding as if you actually did it.

    Sure sparky..Internet links work for us because we don't ride bikes.
    There's some kunich-logic if I ever heard it.

    That point notwithstanding....

    https://www.strava.com/athletes/16053273

    2025:
    Activities - 34
    Distance - 709.4 mi
    Elev Gain - 39,112 ft
    Time - 39h 28m (Avg speed ~ 21)

    2024:
    Activities - 126
    Distance - 2,847.1 mi
    Elev Gain - 160,297 ft
    Time - 165h 18m (avg speed ~17 mph)




    So that gives you bragging rights to what exactly? A third of the mileage I had in 2021 and a sixth of the climbing?

    Despite having a stroke I have put 158 in more miles than you and 15,000 feet less than you and that despite our hill roads being repair less than a month.

    And considering that amount of climbing I don't believe that riding time or average speed for one second. I think thst you throw the bike on the car, Turn your Garmin or whatever on, drive to the start of your group ride, do the ride and then drive home
    and turn your Garmin off and log your ride. There is no way on Earth that a man who finishes 5 minutes behind the Cat 3 winner can average half that speed.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 22:37:11 2025
    On Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
    than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.

    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Two ways that seems odd:

    First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but
    lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
    don't see people rushing to get away.

    Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
    You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been "destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.

    Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.




    Perhaps you can explain why, since Newsome has taken office, there has been a population loss of over 20,000 citizens net and ALL people with money? He is presently about to chase 2 refineries out of the state which will end up almost doubling the cost
    of gas. I am not in misery. My investments are safe and I pay no taxes lust like the illegals here. Prop 13 protects mefrom excess property taxes and tourists like you pay the overwhelming amount of sales taxes. Stick around until you pay $2,000 to fly
    back home.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 22:40:56 2025
    On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
    than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.




    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....




    Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis. Tell us more about your wealth.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 22:46:01 2025
    On Mon May 12 12:05:58 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 12:50 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Tue May 6 06:18:07 2025 zen cycle wrote:


    He does pretty well with that on his own.




    Flunky, you've alreqdy told us that your boss doesn't give a shit what you do.

    I did? Where did I write that?

    So the oinly thing you do is sign things.

    It's not surprising someone like you would make an absurd assumption
    like that.

    With that sort of experience your ability to deduce things is questionable at best.

    I think my logic stands up to yours quite well, mr "i rode a dent out of
    my top tube".

    I have money and you don't.

    Liar https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/hicB2nXjlr4/m/G2axqs0k_IwJ

    Aug 9, 2013, 11:11:36?AM, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:

    "Trouble is that while I was out of it I sold or gave away almost my
    entire bicycle collection. And all of my wardrobe and most of my tools!
    And now on Social Security I have to VERY slowly make it up."

    I have spent around 50 years as an engineer. working for important companies and you're afraid to use your own name for fear that people will look you up on LinkedIn.

    I get daily notifications from Linked about people who have looked me
    up. It tommy world those are "job offers".




    Thanks for reminding us of all of the people that you, Liebermann and Krygowski chased away.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 22:51:03 2025
    On Mon May 12 12:16:54 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 12:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 5 19:17:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?

    Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
    Copyright Office. Have you done this?
    <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>

    Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
    need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
    legislation or an "opinion piece".

    You stated that:
    "I have written scientific studies and reports."
    If you have written more than one, where are they?

    I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.

    You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
    If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
    would have been de-classified by now.

    I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL. The time
    span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
    your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
    recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009, you worked full time
    during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
    and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
    your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
    required considerable editorial assistance.

    I worked for LBRL as well.

    That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
    Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
    your online resume:
    <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

    And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
    super accurate timing.

    Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
    including post graduate students.

    05/27/2024
    Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$EkJ4.11941@fx14.iad>
    <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
    (need to update post number)
    "...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
    AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
    degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
    keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
    investments." etc...

    Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.

    Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
    The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.

    Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?

    Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of
    yourself.




    You didn't answer my question, was your mother's health impaired when she was pregnant with you? There is certainly something wrong with a person that took 6 years to get a 4 year degree and was never able to work above the levewl of technician.

    Have you ever simply stepped back and observed the course of your life?

    Have you ever simply stepped back and observed how your alcoholism has affected your life and those around you?

    How getting arrested for drunk driving and failure to appear led to
    financial collapse that you never recovered from to the point where you
    can't afford simple vacations?

    Seems to me that your impotence and alcoholism were directly affected by
    your mother and fathers alcohol problems. Maybe that's why you're so
    obsessed with Jeffs alleged issues, because your life is such a fucking
    train wreck that your so desperate to find someone who is worse off than
    you that you're willing to make up lies about them.

    You really are a loathesome piece of trash.




    But I am enough of a man not to hide behind ananymity while you use that and distance to create your own universe. Exactly why is it again that you don't take a job where you can make real money?

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 19:11:05 2025
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:51:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 12 12:16:54 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 12:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 5 19:17:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?

    Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
    Copyright Office. Have you done this?
    <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>

    Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
    need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
    legislation or an "opinion piece".

    You stated that:
    "I have written scientific studies and reports."
    If you have written more than one, where are they?

    I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.

    You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
    If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
    would have been de-classified by now.

    I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL. The time
    span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
    your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
    recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009, you worked full time
    during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
    and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
    your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
    required considerable editorial assistance.

    I worked for LBRL as well.

    That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
    Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
    your online resume:
    <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

    And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
    super accurate timing.

    Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
    including post graduate students.

    05/27/2024
    Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$EkJ4.11941@fx14.iad>
    <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
    (need to update post number)
    "...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
    AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
    degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
    keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
    investments." etc...

    Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.

    Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
    The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.

    Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?

    Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of
    yourself.




    You didn't answer my question, was your mother's health impaired when she was pregnant with you? There is certainly something wrong with a person that took 6 years to get a 4 year degree and was never able to work above the levewl of technician.

    Have you ever simply stepped back and observed the course of your life?

    Have you ever simply stepped back and observed how your alcoholism has
    affected your life and those around you?

    How getting arrested for drunk driving and failure to appear led to
    financial collapse that you never recovered from to the point where you
    can't afford simple vacations?

    Seems to me that your impotence and alcoholism were directly affected by
    your mother and fathers alcohol problems. Maybe that's why you're so
    obsessed with Jeffs alleged issues, because your life is such a fucking
    train wreck that your so desperate to find someone who is worse off than
    you that you're willing to make up lies about them.

    You really are a loathesome piece of trash.




    But I am enough of a man not to hide behind ananymity while you use that and distance to create your own universe. Exactly why is it again that you don't take a job where you can make real money?

    Why shouldn't a person stay anonymous on Usenet? I can understand a
    person wanting to promotes their business, but otherwise using your
    own name on the internet is an invitation to have your privacy
    invaded.

    On the other hand, it's hard to get attention and brag when nobody
    knows your name.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 19:34:24 2025
    On 5/12/2025 6:37 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.

    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Two ways that seems odd:

    First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but
    lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
    don't see people rushing to get away.

    Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
    You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been
    "destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.

    Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.

    I am not in misery.

    Yet you complain FAR more than anyone else here!

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to frkrygow@gXXmail.com on Mon May 12 20:04:46 2025
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 19:44:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/12/2025 6:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>>
    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>>> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.




    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....

    Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis. Tell us more about your wealth.

    Good grief, Tom! You were complaining about California's economy, not
    that of the entire U.S.

    As Zen pointed out, California's _state_ economy has grown to surpass
    the _national_ economy of Japan. That's evidence that your economic
    whining is false.

    California's economy was never the largest in the world. You're
    "thinking" (loosely speaking) of the U.S. as a whole, which is still #1.
    IOW you're confused yet again, confusing U.S. and California data.

    Get help. Hire some teenager to explain things to you - things like >economics, history, bike mechanics, computer use, spelling, etc. etc.

    https://apnews.com/article/california-budget-deficit-18ff9c1ec885ec5bc69e790a836d9bdd

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon May 12 19:44:06 2025
    On 5/12/2025 6:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.




    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....

    Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis. Tell us more about your wealth.

    Good grief, Tom! You were complaining about California's economy, not
    that of the entire U.S.

    As Zen pointed out, California's _state_ economy has grown to surpass
    the _national_ economy of Japan. That's evidence that your economic
    whining is false.

    California's economy was never the largest in the world. You're
    "thinking" (loosely speaking) of the U.S. as a whole, which is still #1.
    IOW you're confused yet again, confusing U.S. and California data.

    Get help. Hire some teenager to explain things to you - things like
    economics, history, bike mechanics, computer use, spelling, etc. etc.

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 18:32:05 2025
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:40:56 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >> >>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >> >>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
    than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >> >> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.




    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....

    Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis. Tell us more about your wealth.

    Apples and oranges with a topping of baloney. For 2024, New York, Massachusetts and Washington state had higher GDP (gross domestic
    product) numbers than California: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/1hgdfhx/the_ten_us_states_with_the_highest_gdp_per_capita/#lightbox>

    Comparing states to countries:
    "List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita> Using the World Bank numbers, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg,
    Bermuda, Ireland, Switzerland, Cayman Islands, Isle of Man, Norway and Singapore all had higher GDP numbers than USA.

    That was a good example of why we don't compare apples and oranges.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue May 13 06:10:32 2025
    On 5/12/2025 6:46 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 12:05:58 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 12:50 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Tue May 6 06:18:07 2025 zen cycle wrote:


    He does pretty well with that on his own.




    Flunky, you've alreqdy told us that your boss doesn't give a shit what you do.

    I did? Where did I write that?

    So the oinly thing you do is sign things.

    It's not surprising someone like you would make an absurd assumption
    like that.

    With that sort of experience your ability to deduce things is questionable at best.

    I think my logic stands up to yours quite well, mr "i rode a dent out of
    my top tube".

    I have money and you don't.

    Liar
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/hicB2nXjlr4/m/G2axqs0k_IwJ >>
    Aug 9, 2013, 11:11:36?AM, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:

    "Trouble is that while I was out of it I sold or gave away almost my
    entire bicycle collection. And all of my wardrobe and most of my tools!
    And now on Social Security I have to VERY slowly make it up."

    I have spent around 50 years as an engineer. working for important companies and you're afraid to use your own name for fear that people will look you up on LinkedIn.

    I get daily notifications from Linked about people who have looked me
    up. It tommy world those are "job offers".




    Thanks for reminding us of all of the people that you, Liebermann and Krygowski chased away.

    Yeah, like Jay Beattie, right tommy?....gawd you're such a little asshole.

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue May 13 06:13:58 2025
    On 5/12/2025 6:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 12:16:54 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 12:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 5 19:17:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?

    Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
    Copyright Office. Have you done this?
    <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>

    Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I >>>> need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
    legislation or an "opinion piece".

    You stated that:
    "I have written scientific studies and reports."
    If you have written more than one, where are they?

    I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.

    You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
    If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
    would have been de-classified by now.

    I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL. The time
    span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
    your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
    recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009, you worked full time
    during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
    and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
    your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
    required considerable editorial assistance.

    I worked for LBRL as well.

    That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
    Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
    your online resume:
    <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

    And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
    super accurate timing.

    Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
    including post graduate students.

    05/27/2024
    Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$EkJ4.11941@fx14.iad>
    <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
    (need to update post number)
    "...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
    AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
    degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even >>>> keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
    investments." etc...

    Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.

    Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
    The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.

    Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?

    Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of
    yourself.




    You didn't answer my question, was your mother's health impaired when she was pregnant with you? There is certainly something wrong with a person that took 6 years to get a 4 year degree and was never able to work above the levewl of technician.

    Have you ever simply stepped back and observed the course of your life?

    Have you ever simply stepped back and observed how your alcoholism has
    affected your life and those around you?

    How getting arrested for drunk driving and failure to appear led to
    financial collapse that you never recovered from to the point where you
    can't afford simple vacations?

    Seems to me that your impotence and alcoholism were directly affected by
    your mother and fathers alcohol problems. Maybe that's why you're so
    obsessed with Jeffs alleged issues, because your life is such a fucking
    train wreck that your so desperate to find someone who is worse off than
    you that you're willing to make up lies about them.

    You really are a loathesome piece of trash.




    But I am enough of a man not to hide behind ananymity while you use that and distance to create your own universe.

    You were outed by Jobst because he couldn't stand you, and you were too
    fucking clueless to get the hint.

    Exactly why is it again that you don't take a job where you can make real money?

    I make more now than you ever did in your life, and that's compensating
    for inflation.

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/hicB2nXjlr4/m/G2axqs0k_IwJ

    ***@yahoo.com Aug 9, 2013, 11:11:36 AM
    " now on Social Security I have to VERY slowly make it up."

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Tue May 13 06:18:58 2025
    On 5/12/2025 9:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:40:56 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>>
    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>>> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.




    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....

    Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis. Tell us more about your wealth.

    Apples and oranges with a topping of baloney. For 2024, New York, Massachusetts and Washington state had higher GDP (gross domestic
    product) numbers than California: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/1hgdfhx/the_ten_us_states_with_the_highest_gdp_per_capita/#lightbox>

    Comparing states to countries:
    "List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita> Using the World Bank numbers, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg,
    Bermuda, Ireland, Switzerland, Cayman Islands, Isle of Man, Norway and Singapore all had higher GDP numbers than USA.

    That was a good example of why we don't compare apples and oranges.


    And a good example of why we never take tommy's word for anything.

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue May 13 06:18:00 2025
    On 5/12/2025 6:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).

    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>> listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.




    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....




    Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis.

    pssst - you're full of shit, as usual.

    Tell us more about your wealth.

    I never claimed I was wealthy. You OTOH constantly brag about a mythical million dollar investment, which after 5 years is still only worth a
    million.

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue May 13 07:56:56 2025
    On 5/12/2025 6:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 11:51:20 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 2:08 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 5 12:59:49 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:

    brackets
    - why is it only happening to you?

    Becase you don't ride so nothing happens to you. You and Frank are alike andput in 5 miles a year.And then talk about riding as if you actually did it.

    Sure sparky..Internet links work for us because we don't ride bikes.
    There's some kunich-logic if I ever heard it.

    That point notwithstanding....

    https://www.strava.com/athletes/16053273

    2025:
    Activities - 34
    Distance - 709.4 mi
    Elev Gain - 39,112 ft
    Time - 39h 28m (Avg speed ~ 21)

    2024:
    Activities - 126
    Distance - 2,847.1 mi
    Elev Gain - 160,297 ft
    Time - 165h 18m (avg speed ~17 mph)




    So that gives you bragging rights to what exactly? A third of the mileage I had in 2021 and a sixth of the climbing?

    It directly contradicts your idiotic claim "Becase you don't ride so
    nothing happens to you. You and Frank are alike andput in 5 miles a
    year.And then talk about riding as if you actually did it.", dumbass.
    (not to mention the bizarre logic that internet links posted in this
    forum work for Frank and I becasue we "don't ride".)


    Despite having a stroke I have put 158 in more miles than you and 15,000 feet less than you and that despite our hill roads being repair less than a month.

    Says you. We have no proof of your rides. We have no proof of your
    alleged stroke. I think you're lying about that in a desperate plea for sympathy.

    Besides that, you're also retired and in an area where you can ride
    year-round. I've never claimed my mileage was impressive, in fact, I've
    always stated my yearly mileage is _not_ impressive.


    And considering that amount of climbing I don't believe that riding time or average speed for one second.

    What you choose to believe or not is irrelevant. The Garmin doesn't lie.

    I think thst you throw the bike on the car, Turn your Garmin or whatever on, drive to the start of your group ride, do the ride and then drive home and turn your Garmin off and log your ride.

    Then show an example of that. You have access to all the rides I posted.
    Show one - just one - that you think was done in a vehicle. Should be
    easy enough, just look for a ride where I averaged in single digits in
    the middle but kept up with the speed limit at the beginning and end.

    There is no way on Earth that a man who finishes 5 minutes behind the Cat 3 winner can average half that speed.

    Maybe, but you'd have to find someone that finishes 5 minutes behind the
    cat 3 winner to support that claim.
    --
    Add xx to reply

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 18:52:22 2025
    On Mon May 12 19:34:24 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 6:37 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a
    competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>
    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest-
    listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.

    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Two ways that seems odd:

    First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but
    lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
    don't see people rushing to get away.

    Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
    You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been
    "destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.

    Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.

    I am not in misery.

    Yet you complain FAR more than anyone else here!




    I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you two would have if you could give me a black eye!

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue May 13 15:26:52 2025
    On 5/13/2025 2:52 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 19:34:24 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 6:37 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a
    competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>>>
    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest-
    listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>>>> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.

    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Two ways that seems odd:

    First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but >>>> lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
    don't see people rushing to get away.

    Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
    You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been
    "destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.

    Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.

    I am not in misery.

    Yet you complain FAR more than anyone else here!




    I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and gang up on me?

    lol...what a whiny little shit.

    Just think of the glory you two would have if you could give me a black eye!


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    Add xx to reply

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 12:57:53 2025
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:52:22 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you two would have if you could give me a black eye!


    Added to the ever growing list of Tom's threats of violence.

    09/14/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/KvIpVSj1RiQ/m/564R3TRrAQAJ> "Assassination is an entirely different matter. Public officials must
    be out in the public so killing them is fairly easy. Not one of those
    armored limos could sustain an antitank weapon. And with Biden pouring thousands of them into the Ukraine one of them could easily go
    missing. Wouldn't be justice if someone put an antitank rocket into
    Biden's car?"

    07/10/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QM7CD5zO3hc/m/yH9adNniAgAJ> "No worries, Liebermann will continue teaching others why Jews were
    stuck in ovens during that unfortunate time in German history."

    07/23/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/kOeFYBo9BgAJ>
    "I don't believe in 500 meter kill shots. I believe in walking right
    up to you and breaking your neck. I know just how to do it so that it
    won't kill you, just paralyze you and put you in a wheelchair for the
    rest of your life. But you could use friction shifters on it and rim
    brakes."

    10/04/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/CwbxyLGleUc/m/5zn_DqgrAwAJ> "Jeff is not a nice person and a perfect example of why Jews were
    hated in all of Europe. Most were OK but enough of them were like
    Liebermann, that worthless POS that Hitler didn't have to work hard to
    condemn them all to death."

    02/13/2024 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Iu7QOrGj8UQ/m/E0YPeMHhAAAJ> "Liebermann should be punched as should Flunky. I know where
    Lievermann lives and haven't punched him yet since he doesn't even
    know that he is dying from this vaccinations. Flunky is a loud mouth
    that would run and hide from me. So a threat is just a threat and not
    an action."

    02/20/2024 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/lQ1CbekCAQAJ> "now that you've given us youe name and where your house is that I
    should fly out and kick your ass for ten or fifteen minutes?"

    09/10/2024
    <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/8FpQ9PSy/speed-sensor#post29>
    "If you were within arms reach you would never again be able to use
    your arms."

    09/16/2024
    <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/RxazhfgM/machine-shop#post58>
    "In person yopu would spend the rest of your life in emergency care
    ward and you know it. Your cowaedice is second only to Flunky."

    Tom... Insufficient attention again? Looks like your threats of
    violence aren't working. So now, you're inviting abuse and offering
    to act as a victim. It's a change, but not necessarily an
    improvement. Try hitting your reflection in a mirror and see if that
    helps.

    05/13/2025
    Message-ID: <GxMUP.67935$aIqa.37321@fx07.iad> <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125834&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125834>
    "I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and
    Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you two would
    have if you could give me a black eye!"


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue May 13 20:43:24 2025
    On 5/13/2025 2:52 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 19:34:24 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 6:37 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    AI for that's pathetic.
    I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a
    competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>>>
    Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest-
    listings

    I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>>>> a million dollars.

    I prefer where I live, thanks.

    Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.

    Two ways that seems odd:

    First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but >>>> lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
    don't see people rushing to get away.

    Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
    You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been
    "destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.

    Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.

    I am not in misery.

    Yet you complain FAR more than anyone else here!

    I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers.

    Most of your complaints have nothing to do with that. You've complained
    about security in your neighborhood (Hispanic roofers supposedly casing
    your house), your drinking water, your roads falling apart, your
    expenses, your bike equipment not working, etc. etc. Most of your
    complaints center on living in your hell hole.

    And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and
    gang up on me?

    First, your complaining is often amusing. I guess clowns have always
    amused people. But as I recall, you're an old man with admitted balance problems. I'm not prone to violence, and certainly not violence against
    feeble old guys.

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 21:29:48 2025
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:57:53 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:52:22 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you two would have if you could give me a black eye!


    Added to the ever growing list of Tom's threats of violence.

    09/14/2022 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/KvIpVSj1RiQ/m/564R3TRrAQAJ> >"Assassination is an entirely different matter. Public officials must
    be out in the public so killing them is fairly easy. Not one of those
    armored limos could sustain an antitank weapon. And with Biden pouring >thousands of them into the Ukraine one of them could easily go
    missing. Wouldn't be justice if someone put an antitank rocket into
    Biden's car?"

    07/10/2023 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QM7CD5zO3hc/m/yH9adNniAgAJ> >"No worries, Liebermann will continue teaching others why Jews were
    stuck in ovens during that unfortunate time in German history."

    07/23/2023 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/kOeFYBo9BgAJ> >"I don't believe in 500 meter kill shots. I believe in walking right
    up to you and breaking your neck. I know just how to do it so that it
    won't kill you, just paralyze you and put you in a wheelchair for the
    rest of your life. But you could use friction shifters on it and rim
    brakes."

    10/04/2023 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/CwbxyLGleUc/m/5zn_DqgrAwAJ> >"Jeff is not a nice person and a perfect example of why Jews were
    hated in all of Europe. Most were OK but enough of them were like
    Liebermann, that worthless POS that Hitler didn't have to work hard to >condemn them all to death."

    02/13/2024 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Iu7QOrGj8UQ/m/E0YPeMHhAAAJ> >"Liebermann should be punched as should Flunky. I know where
    Lievermann lives and haven't punched him yet since he doesn't even
    know that he is dying from this vaccinations. Flunky is a loud mouth
    that would run and hide from me. So a threat is just a threat and not
    an action."

    02/20/2024 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/lQ1CbekCAQAJ> >"now that you've given us youe name and where your house is that I
    should fly out and kick your ass for ten or fifteen minutes?"

    09/10/2024 ><https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/8FpQ9PSy/speed-sensor#post29>
    "If you were within arms reach you would never again be able to use
    your arms."

    09/16/2024 ><https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/RxazhfgM/machine-shop#post58>
    "In person yopu would spend the rest of your life in emergency care
    ward and you know it. Your cowaedice is second only to Flunky."

    Tom... Insufficient attention again? Looks like your threats of
    violence aren't working. So now, you're inviting abuse and offering
    to act as a victim. It's a change, but not necessarily an
    improvement. Try hitting your reflection in a mirror and see if that
    helps.

    05/13/2025
    Message-ID: <GxMUP.67935$aIqa.37321@fx07.iad> ><https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125834&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125834>
    "I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are >engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and
    Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you
    have if you could give me a black eye!"

    Given Tom's ultra million doller bank account one can only wonder
    why he doesn't buy a monthly air ticket - coast to coast and return -
    and make a trip monthly to sort all those that "bad mouth" him.

    --
    cheers,

    John B.

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to jbslocomb@fictitious.site on Tue May 13 21:43:02 2025
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:29:48 -0700, John B.
    <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:57:53 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:52:22 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you two would have if you could give me a black eye!


    Added to the ever growing list of Tom's threats of violence.

    09/14/2022 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/KvIpVSj1RiQ/m/564R3TRrAQAJ> >>"Assassination is an entirely different matter. Public officials must
    be out in the public so killing them is fairly easy. Not one of those >>armored limos could sustain an antitank weapon. And with Biden pouring >>thousands of them into the Ukraine one of them could easily go
    missing. Wouldn't be justice if someone put an antitank rocket into
    Biden's car?"

    07/10/2023 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QM7CD5zO3hc/m/yH9adNniAgAJ> >>"No worries, Liebermann will continue teaching others why Jews were
    stuck in ovens during that unfortunate time in German history."

    07/23/2023 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/kOeFYBo9BgAJ> >>"I don't believe in 500 meter kill shots. I believe in walking right
    up to you and breaking your neck. I know just how to do it so that it
    won't kill you, just paralyze you and put you in a wheelchair for the
    rest of your life. But you could use friction shifters on it and rim >>brakes."

    10/04/2023 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/CwbxyLGleUc/m/5zn_DqgrAwAJ> >>"Jeff is not a nice person and a perfect example of why Jews were
    hated in all of Europe. Most were OK but enough of them were like >>Liebermann, that worthless POS that Hitler didn't have to work hard to >>condemn them all to death."

    02/13/2024 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Iu7QOrGj8UQ/m/E0YPeMHhAAAJ> >>"Liebermann should be punched as should Flunky. I know where
    Lievermann lives and haven't punched him yet since he doesn't even
    know that he is dying from this vaccinations. Flunky is a loud mouth
    that would run and hide from me. So a threat is just a threat and not
    an action."

    02/20/2024 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/lQ1CbekCAQAJ> >>"now that you've given us youe name and where your house is that I
    should fly out and kick your ass for ten or fifteen minutes?"

    09/10/2024 >><https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/8FpQ9PSy/speed-sensor#post29>
    "If you were within arms reach you would never again be able to use
    your arms."

    09/16/2024 >><https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/RxazhfgM/machine-shop#post58>
    "In person yopu would spend the rest of your life in emergency care
    ward and you know it. Your cowaedice is second only to Flunky."

    Tom... Insufficient attention again? Looks like your threats of
    violence aren't working. So now, you're inviting abuse and offering
    to act as a victim. It's a change, but not necessarily an
    improvement. Try hitting your reflection in a mirror and see if that >>helps.

    05/13/2025
    Message-ID: <GxMUP.67935$aIqa.37321@fx07.iad> >><https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125834&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125834>
    "I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are >>engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and
    Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you
    have if you could give me a black eye!"

    Given Tom's ultra million doller bank account one can only wonder
    why he doesn't buy a monthly air ticket - coast to coast and return -
    and make a trip monthly to sort all those that "bad mouth" him.

    another
    test :-(
    --
    cheers,

    John B.

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