• Inside the multi-day meltdown at Newark airport

    From useapen@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 6 08:34:12 2025
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    Air traffic controllers in Philadelphia Terminal Radar Approach Control
    had been guiding planes to Newark Liberty International Airport in New
    Jersey last week when communication went down.

    ôApproach, are you there?ö one pilot asked the controller, who had stopped responding. United Airlines flight 1951, flying from New Orleans to
    Newark, a major hub for the company, tried to radio the controller five
    times before they got a response.

    ôUnited 1951, how do you hear me?ö the controller finally asks, according
    to air traffic control conversations recorded by the website LiveATC.net.

    ôI got you loud and clear, United 1951,ö the pilot responds.

    But those 30 seconds of silence when communication went down ultimately cascaded into a weeklong meltdown at Newark, one of the nationÆs largest airports. It resulted in delays and cancellations for thousands of
    customers, controllers taking leave for trauma, and renewed scrutiny on an outdated air traffic control system.

    The chaos also highlighted the challenges of an understaffed air traffic control system, the latest incident in an already turbulent year for
    aviation that included a deadly collision between a passenger jet and US
    army helicopter.

    ôI donÆt know where you areö
    Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy told Fox News Monday traffic
    controllers had lost the primary communication and the backup line did not immediately take over. Audio obtained by CNN shows the tense moments from
    the afternoon of April 28.

    ôUnited (flight) 674, radar contact lost,ö a controller tells a pilot
    flying to Newark from Charleston, South Carolina. ôWe lost our radar so
    just stay on the arrival and maintain 6000 (feet).ö

    The same flight, traveling at hundreds of miles an hour, returns to the
    radar but does not show up in an accurate position.

    The connectivity between Federal Aviation Administration radar and the frequencies that air traffic controllers use to manage planes flying in
    and out of the airport ôcompletely failed,ö a source with knowledge of the situation said. Without radar, another approach controller told the pilot
    of a smaller aircraft to rely on towers for clearance.

    ôDo I have bravo clearance?ö the pilot asks. Bravo clearance is permission
    to enter into the airspace surrounding a larger airport, like Newark
    Liberty International.

    ôNo, you do not have a bravo clearance. We lost our radar and itÆs not
    working correctly. Radar service terminatesà If you want a bravo
    clearance, you can just call the tower when you get closer,ö the
    controller said.

    About 15 û 20 flights were being controlled by Newark Liberty
    International Airport approach controllers when communication and radar
    went down on Monday, April 28, according to an analysis by flight tracking
    site Flightradar24.

    The number is based on the altitude of aircraft bound for and departing
    Newark and audio from the approach radio frequency, Ian Petchenik, the
    Director of Communications for the site tells CNN.

    No crashes occurred, but at least five FAA employees took 45 days of
    trauma leave afterward.

    The incident has compounded existing staffing shortages and equipment
    failures and contributed to frustrating hourslong delays for passengers,
    Duffy told Fox News.

    More than 150 flights into or out of the airport on Monday were canceled,
    with more than 350 flights delayed, according to the flight tracking
    website FlightAware.

    The FAA has indicated it expects delays at the airport to continue due to
    the staffing shortages. Duffy added that authorities will have to slow
    traffic at Newark before restoring full capacity.

    A traumatic event
    The current shortage of air traffic controllers is nearly the worst in 30 years, said the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, which
    represents 10,800 certified air traffic controllers across the country.

    The control facility responsible for traffic at Newark has been
    ôchronically understaffed for years,ö United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby said
    in a Friday message addressing the delays. He also said the shortage was compounded by over 20% of FAA controllers who ôwalked off the jobö at
    Newark Airport last week.

    A CNN analysis of FAA airspace advisories shows at least 14 straight days
    of FAA-imposed delays for flights to or from Newark.

    The controllerÆs union said workers did not ôwalk off the job.ö

    ôThe controllers didnÆt just walk off the job they were traumatized, their equipment failed,ö the source with knowledge of the situation said. ôItÆs written in the regulations if they experience a traumatic event ùthey can
    take time off to go see psychiatrist.. the people working that day did
    that.ö

    But filling those empty positions is not an issue that can be sorted
    overnight, according to the FAA.

    Air traffic control applicants must be less than 31 years old so they can
    work the mandatory 20 or 25 years needed to qualify for pensions before
    their mandatory retirement age of 56, according to the FAA. Physical
    stamina and mental sharpness is also required to do the job.

    ôWhile we cannot quickly replace (the controllers) due to this highly specialized profession, we continue to train controllers who will
    eventually be assigned to this busy airspace,ö the FAA said.

    A frail system in place
    Flights arriving to Newark were experiencing an average delay of 4 hours
    and 54 minutes as of Monday evening.

    One passenger, Geraldine Wallace, told CNN Sunday she was anxious about
    the staffing shortage after her flight was delayed for almost three hours.

    Mark Wallace, her partner, told CNN he was more worried about equipment failures.

    ôAs concerning as the manpower issue is, according to news reports, the equipment that theyÆre using out of Philadelphia is antiquated,ö he said.

    The Department of Transportation will announce a plan Thursday to
    transform the air traffic control system, remodeling an outdated system
    that contributed to days of delays at Newark International Airport, Duffy,
    the transportation secretary, told Fox News on Monday.

    The system used to manage air traffic at Newark is ôincredibly old,ö Duffy said.

    ôWe use floppy disks. We use copper wires,ö he said Friday. ôThe system
    that weÆre using is not effective to control the traffic that we have in
    the airspace today.ö

    Duffy has since pledged to implement a new, ôstate-of-the-artö system at
    air traffic control facilities across the country that would be the ôenvy
    of the worldö û but said it might take three to four years.

    ôWe are going to radically transform the way air traffic control looks,ö
    Duffy told Fox NewsÆ Laura Ingraham.

    President Donald Trump has ôbought into the plan,ö he said.

    Duffy also reiterated that the airspace was still safe.

    Peter Goelz, former managing director of the National Transportation
    Safety Board, said he wasnÆt sure heÆd want to fly out of Newark for the
    next 10 days.

    ôWe have a very safe system, but anytime itÆs stressed like this, where
    you have controllers who are feeling under maximum pressure, it impacts
    safety û and people have a right to be concerned,ö Goelz told CNN.

    ôYou cannot expect humans to function at their highest level for sustained periods of time with this kind of pressure on them.ö

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/06/us/inside-the-multi-day-meltdown-at-newark- airport

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to useapen on Tue May 6 01:51:25 2025
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    On 6/5/25 1:34, useapen wrote:
    But those 30 seconds of silence when communication went down ultimately cascaded into a weeklong meltdown at Newark, one of the nationÆs largest airports. It resulted in delays and cancellations for thousands of
    customers, controllers taking leave for trauma, and renewed scrutiny on an outdated air traffic control system.

    Biden's fault for not hiring controllers.

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  • From Larry Dighera@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 10:36:19 2025
    How many decades has the FAA been attempting to implement sweeping update of our NAS and ATC?

    I recall the FAA NextGen initiative push over twenty years ago. While ADS-B has been accomplished, it is flawed by its vulnerability of spoofing, and
    use by nefarious persons/states. https://www.faa.gov/nextgen

    Personally, if the new Duffy proposed NAS update is based on satellite communications, it will be even more vulnerable to the vagaries of solar dynamics, and hostile forces. Fiber is the answer, IMNSHO.






    On Tue, 6 May 2025 08:34:12 -0000 (UTC), useapen <yourdime@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    Duffy has since pledged to implement a new, ôstate-of-the-artö system at
    air traffic control facilities across the country that would be the ôenvy
    of the worldö û but said it might take three to four years.

    ôWe are going to radically transform the way air traffic control looks,ö >Duffy told Fox NewsÆ Laura Ingraham.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Larry Dighera on Sat May 10 11:41:05 2025
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote:

    How many decades has the FAA been attempting to implement sweeping update of our NAS and ATC?

    Since 1926, if you count the CAA years.

    You do understand that technology is in a constant state of flux and it
    is problematic to make major changes to all ground and airborne equipment,
    even in just the US?

    The Low Frequency Radio Range (LFR), 1928-1974, was the cat's pajama's
    in the pre-WWII years.

    Very High Frequency Omnidirectional Radio Range (VOR), 1946-PRES, was a
    huge improvement over LFR but LFR still managed to hang around until 1974.


    I recall the FAA NextGen initiative push over twenty years ago. While ADS-B has been accomplished, it is flawed by its vulnerability of spoofing, and
    use by nefarious persons/states. https://www.faa.gov/nextgen

    Personally, if the new Duffy proposed NAS update is based on satellite communications, it will be even more vulnerable to the vagaries of solar dynamics, and hostile forces. Fiber is the answer, IMNSHO.

    I think you are mixing apples, oranges, and watermelons.

    Communications among facilities is but a very tiny part of the NAS and
    ATC.

    Fiber is also vulnerable to some guy with a backhoe digging in the wrong
    place. There is no 100% failsafe system of any kind for anything.



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