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On 9/18/24 08:37, Michael Ejercito wrote:

NefeshBarYochai wrote:

As Israeli ministers, generals, and academics bay for a decisive new
phase in the war,

So the people there will get the experience what people in
Germany and Japan did in the first half of the 1940's!

The citizens of war torn Germany and Japan were willing to face
the reality of their situation, and resolved to start taking
actions to improve the future for themselves and their children.
They understood they could not live in the past, nor change it.
But it is necessary to live in the current time and make a
better future.

I have read quite a bit from Palestinian authors in the last
several years, but I have not seen any that have written
speculative fiction on how the current might be if other
choices was made in the past, in 1947, or even 2000.

I have walked along the lovely Mediterranean coast, and
thought of how there might be nice Resorts there just like
in Jaffa.

Just think of how things would be different if in 1947 the
Palestinians had accepted the UN and UK offered Partition Plan.
They would now have had over 75 years progress on their own
independent and free country. They could have used pipes
to build irrigation lines rather than rockets. They could
have used concrete to build resorts and hospitals and schools
rather than terrorist tunnels. But, no, sadly they sadly decided
they would not compromise and share the land. They decided
they needed to have it all for themselves. They decided to
fight.

Or, how about if they had decided to accept POTUS Bill Clinton's
2000 offer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#:~:text=The%20proposal%20demanded%20any%20territory,narrow%20strip%20of%20Israeli%20land.

"Clinton's initiative led to the Taba negotiations in January 2001,
where the two sides published a statement saying they had never been
closer to agreement

Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret
that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into
being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for
a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace."
The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser
Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of
Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[56][57][58]
Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former
minister in the Palestinian Authority.[59] In My Life, Clinton wrote
that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great
man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you
made me one."[60]

Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were
taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't
be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[62]






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