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Answered by
Martin Konopko
Mar 27

If you were uprooted from your home and your land taken away, wouldn't
you be rightly ticked off like the Palestinians are at the Israelis?
When the UN recognized Israel, no Arab land was taken. This may
contradict what you've seen on social media platforms like TikTok, so
allow me to explain. The administration of the land changed, but that
was the extent of it. When five Arab armies attacked the newborn state
of Israel, some Arabs left the area at the instruction of the invading
Arab armies, some stayed and fought against the Israelis, and others
simply remained and waited it out.

After the war, approximately 15,000 Arabs who fled or fought against
Israel were prevented from returning to Israel

. This event is the origin of what is referred to as the "Nakba."

In English, "Nakba" means "Catastrophe," but some interpret it as "we
started a war, lost, and now we're complaining about the consequences"

Any land that was owned by these Arabs was indeed lost unless they could
prove ownership. However, it's important to note that very little of
this land was actually owned by individual Arabs. Many were poor tenant
farmers working on land owned by wealthy landowners or government land..

It's understandable to be upset if one's property is taken by foreign
forces, similar to the Israeli-owned property in East Jerusalem that was forcibly taken by Jordan. This property is now inhabited by Arab
residents who refuse to pay rent..

This perspective offers another side of the complex historical narrative surrounding the establishment of Israel and the subsequent conflict.

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Arthur Simmonds
· Mar 27
I find it interesting that the Arabs complain about the loss of land
following the 1948 war for Israel’s survival, while there is no mention
made concerning the expulsion in 1949. Following the defeat of the Arab
armies, Jews living in Arab countries were forcibly removed. Manyhad
been living there for centuries. Just under one million Jews were
dispossessed of their lands.

Israel gave them protection.

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Caroline
· Mar 27
We don't even have to go that far. Any Jew living in the Jewish Quarter
of Jerusalem and other east areas of Jerusalem, plus any Jew in most of
Judea and Samaria, was either slaughtered or expelled during the War of Independence, and the areas were occupied by Jordan. Jordan didn't let
them go back to their homes.

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Joe Mandt
· Mar 28
Almost 20,000 Jews were expelled from the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem in
1948. That was a third of the population of the old city. Metropolitan Jerusalem was a majority Jewish city in 1947 by a factor of almost -1.


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Alan Gossels
· Mar 28
Yemen 1948–49, Iraq 1950–51, Egypt 1956–7 and 1967, Libya 1948–9 1951, Syria 1948–49. What is also important to note is when Arab countries did
NOT allow their Jews to emigrate and kept them in ghettos under
restricted conditions living in the fear of the Mukhabarat (Secret
Police) ande sometimes next to Arabs who fled the former Mandate, and
who ere encouraged to bully the neighbouring Jews. This especially in Syria.

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Joe Mandt
· Mar 28
Oh. You weren’t talking about the 12–15,000,000 ethnic Germans, who were expelled from eastern and central Europe between 1945 and 1950? Never mind.

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Michel Juneau
· Mon
I am not sure what your ideological perspective is, but your statement
is correct, so it doesn’t matter.

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Joe Mandt
· Mon
My point is that we have made up new rules where the losers get to write
the history, even if they were the bad guys, but only if there’s some
kind of “oppressed” group

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Billy Maguire
· Mar 28
Most of those critical of Israel appear to be totally ignorant about the history of the region. Overeducated Morons!

Peter Townsend
· Mar 28
There are so many versions of this story now available, all sworn
‘truths’, that I am naturally suspicious. All the more so because my
main memory of the time was the King David Hotel bomb, which no-one
mentions (I was just 16 then).

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David Minton
· Sun
The British fellow is looking for sympathy? How many countries were
pillaged by the British Empire in the 20th century alone?

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Michel Juneau
· Mon
You yourself have a very British sounding name, don’t you?

I prefer to assume that every one speaks as another human, until I have
reason to think otherwise.

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David Minton
· Mon
My name doesn’t make me British, while Peter Townsend’s bio says he
lives in Oxford, UK, which strongly suggests he is. I’m curious why you
are so interested in me when my observation was so easy to find?

But on the original subject, multiple branches of my family had their
property seized for no legitimate reason, sometimes more than once. And
you know what? They moved on and were successful in other countries.


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Michel Juneau
· Mon
Hi David.

Precisely. You don’t know him.

I think you should (and I) should simply take him, and everyone else, at
face value. Imputing motivations or blaming him for the actions of
British of another age is unhelpful.

Are you sure that your ancestors didn’t pillage? And if they did, what
of it? You may be your brother’s keeper; you are certainly not your great-great-grandfather’s keeper.

All that said, Britain did indeed pillage. She also abolished the
international slave trade, unilaterally in 1807, and enforced this
decree around the globe. In 1833, she freed all the slaves in the
British Empire, compensating the slave owners for their losses. Afew
years ago, the exchequer finally paid off the debts incurred so doing. I
think that the British have much of which to be proud.

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Gilbert Friedman
· Mon
I’m not sure that “no one mentions” the King David Hotel bombing. Certainly the Jewish insurgency against the British, including the hotel bombing, is established history. The hotel bombing was, for many, going
too far, especially since many non-British civilians (including Jews)
were killed. It divided the Haganah, Lehi and Irgun. The Lehi and Irgun employed terrorism, and their tactics contributed to the success of the struggle to establish a Jewish state. I would argue that terrorism is a reasonable tactic in the struggle of an insurgent nationalist group to
oust a colonial occupier—IF that struggle has at least a chance of
success. It hasn’t worked for the Palestinians (except perhaps for some
who make their living from it). Palestinian terrorism has made life
miserable for a lot of people, especially their own people, and
accomplished nothing. Having failed, it is no longer a reasonable
tactic. Moreover, Israelis are not a colonial occupier. Unlike the
British in Palestine (and India, or the French in Algeria and Indochina,
the Belgians in Congo, the Portuguese in Angola, etc.) the Jews are not
a foreign power who conquered and exploited a foreign country. They were
an oppressed minority who wanted to establish a Jewish state in their
ancestral homeland. Having fulfilled that dream—through generations of struggle, suffering, and work—they cannot just go back to their own
country. Israel is their own country.

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