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https://www.npr.org/2024/11/14/nx-s1-5183142/police-welcome-trumps-return-to-the-white-house
Police welcome Trump's return to the White House
November 15, 20246:00 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
Martin Kaste 2010
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President-elect Donald Trump speaks to the National Fraternal Order of
Police during the campaign, in Charlotte, N.C., as FOP president Patrick
Yoes, left, and FOP vice president Joe Gamaldi listen.
President-elect Donald Trump speaks to the National Fraternal Order of
Police during the campaign, in Charlotte, N.C., as FOP president Patrick
Yoes, left, and FOP vice president Joe Gamaldi listen.
Evan Vucci/AP
Police were some of the biggest cheerleaders for the reelection of
President Trump. The National Fraternal Order of Police endorsed him for
a third time in 2024, and he promised them he would "always back the blue."
As FOP Vice President Joe Gamaldi told Newsmax the day after the
election, police see Trump's victory as a mandate from voters who are
"tired of all the chaos and disorder we're seeing in our streets. We are
tired of the 'defund the police' talk, and basically we're just tired of
the crap."
But it's been a few years since "defund the police" has been a common
refrain, especially after violent crime spiked during the tail end of
the pandemic. These days, many departments have trouble spending the
funds they have, as they struggle to recruit and retain a full
complement of officers.
Ronal Serpas, a former police chief and member of the Council on
Criminal Justice, says part of the problem has been morale.
"So one of the things Trump did the last time is he was very clear that
he supported the notion of policing in a very aggressive and positive
way," he says. "President Biden [also] did so, but perhaps not as much
in the minds of many officers."
Trump's moral support sometimes causes unease. During a September
campaign speech in Erie, Pa., he riffed about how police should handle shoplifters.
"We have to let the police do their job. And if they have to be
extraordinarily rough ..."
Later in the speech he added, "One rough hour! And I mean real rough.
The word will get out and it will end immediately."
At a minimum, this kind of talk affects how some people see the police,
says Col. Jeffrey Glover of the Arizona Department of Public Safety and president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives.
"Saying, you know, 'Knock people over the head and have a bad day,' that
is counterproductive to what we need to do in this country in terms of
earning that trust with our community members."
Trump has also made vague campaign promises of greater legal immunity
for police, even as it's become slightly more common for local
prosecutors to charge police for unjustified use of force.
"I'm not sure that that is something the federal government can do,"
says Joanna Schwartz, a UCLA law professor who has written about police accountability.
"It's hard to imagine how the federal government can constitutionally
override local prosecutors' decisions to press criminal charges," she
says. "On the other hand, the Supreme Court last term by my view created presidential immunity out of thin air. So it's certainly possible."
More likely, she says, Trump will use money as leverage. His last administration tried to use federal grants to get local police to help
with immigration enforcement, and she says it's possible he and a
Republican Congress could tie federal funds to greater immunity
protection for officers, or more aggressive policing.
There's also a general assumption that the Justice Department under
Trump will refrain from threatening lawsuits to force cities into
consent decrees — court-monitored reform plans for individual
departments. The tactic was used most often by the Obama administration
and stopped with the first Trump term. President Biden brought back
consent decrees in principle, though his administration has yet to
finalize a reform plan with any large police departments.
But Laurie Robinson does not anticipate Trump will be able to reverse
what she regards as the improvements in American policing in the decade
since she co-chaired President Obama's Task Force on 21st Century Policing.
"In areas like de-escalation, strengthening hiring to reflect
communities, relationship with communities ... these advances will not
turn backwards," she says.
Retired Charlotte-Mecklenburg police chief Darrel Stephens, also with
the Council on Criminal Justice, shares that optimism.
"The reforms have not stopped at all, even during [Trump's] first administration. Those agencies that have changes that they need to make,
I don't think will stop during his second administration," he says.
"There just won't be federal oversight."
Stephens says some officers may cheer Trump's talk about "rough"
policing, but "ultimately most of them know that if they engage in that
kind of behavior, the President's not going to save them. They're going
to be held accountable by their own local police agencies."
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