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Anton Shepelev <ant@tilde.culb> wrote:

Hello, all

Why can `tin' be printing:

Can't get a (fully qualified) domain-name!

to STDERR at startup? Can it be the cause of it showing the following message:

*** Posing not allowed ***

at the bottom of the screen every time I press `w' to
post an article to any newsgroup on any server (anonymous or not)
even though at startup tin wrote:

(posting ok)

Wrong newsgroup.

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Anton Shepelev wrote:

Why can `tin' be printing:

Can't get a (fully qualified) domain-name!

to STDERR at startup? Can it be the cause of it showing the following
message:

*** Posing not allowed ***

at the bottom of the screen every time I press `w' to
post an article to any newsgroup on any server (anonymous or not)
even though at startup tin wrote:

(posting ok)

[<http://bzr.tin.org/README>]
[...]
| Note that tin requires a valid fully qualified domain name for the host
| you are running tin on. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HOST NAME WITH A VALID DOMAIN
| GO AND GET ONE AND CONFIGURE YOUR HOST -- NOW! (This will prevent problems
! with other software, too.) Otherwise users may get "Invalid Sender" error
! messages and won't be able to post using the internal inews.
[...]

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In news.software.readers Urs Janßen <urs@buil.tin.org> wrote:

Anton Shepelev wrote:

Why can `tin' be printing:

Can't get a (fully qualified) domain-name!

to STDERR at startup? Can it be the cause of it showing the following
message:

*** Posting not allowed ***

at the bottom of the screen every time I press `w' to
post an article to any newsgroup on any server (anonymous or not)
even though at startup tin wrote:

(posting ok)

[<http://bzr.tin.org/README>]
[...]
| Note that tin requires a valid fully qualified domain name for the host
| you are running tin on. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HOST NAME WITH A VALID DOMAIN
| GO AND GET ONE AND CONFIGURE YOUR HOST -- NOW! (This will prevent problems ! with other software, too.) Otherwise users may get "Invalid Sender" error
! messages and won't be able to post using the internal inews.

Thank you. I searched both the man pages, but neglected the README.
I think such an important requirement should be documented in the
man pages. Also, it was by sheer luck that I even saw the message

Can't get a (fully qualified) domain-name!

because it does not appear if I start tin the usual way, e.g.:

>rtin -g <server>

And only when I decided to compare the version of tin between
machines with and without this problem, did I notice it; and it is
not at all obvious that the "Posting not allowed" message inside
tin is caused by the absnece of an FQDN. Can you please make the
startup message more conspicuous, and/or imporove the other message,
e.g. thus:

*** Cannot post: no FQDN configured ***

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Anton Shepelev wrote:

man pages. Also, it was by sheer luck that I even saw the message

Can't get a (fully qualified) domain-name!

because it does not appear if I start tin the usual way, e.g.:

>rtin -g <server>

It's printed before starting curses, so at leat it shall still be
visible after ending tin. Anyway I fixed the sleep(4) which got lost
and added a no posting hint to that message. With the next version
(2.6.4) there will be a connection info screen ('J') which will also
hold that info.

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Urs Janssen <urs@buil.tin.org> wrote:

Anton Shepelev wrote:

man pages. Also, it was by sheer luck that I even saw the message

Can't get a (fully qualified) domain-name!

because it does not appear if I start tin the usual way, e.g.:

>rtin -g <server>

It's printed before starting curses, so at leat it shall still be
visible after ending tin.

I use Tin from the "hardware" TTYs (Ctrl+Alt+F2-F8) with no back
scrolling. Upon exit from Tin, all I see is a blank screen with
the prompt at the bottom. This is why I kept missing this warning.

Anyway I fixed the sleep(4) which got lost
and added a no posting hint to that message.

Thank you. I think that forcing the user to read the warning and
press Enter to continue would also be a good option for the those
with slow reactions, e.g.:

# Have user confirm warnings instead of auto-hiding them after
# a delay:
confirm_warnings=YES

With the next version (2.6.4) there will be a connection info screen
('J') which will also hold that info.

That sounds useful, and I hope it will look so, too.

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Anton Shepelev wrote:

Thank you. I think that forcing the user to read the warning and
press Enter to continue would also be a good option for the those
with slow reactions, e.g.:

| Can't get a (fully-qualified) domain-name!
| *** Posting not allowed ***

now stays for 4 secs. that should be enough for those who can't
either configure thier system (set a valid FQDN on the system or
at least HOSTNAME or $HOST) or tin (--with-domain-name).

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Urs Janssen <urs@buil.tin.org> wrote:

Anton Shepelev wrote:

Thank you. I think that forcing the user to read the warning and
press Enter to continue would also be a good option for the those
with slow reactions, e.g.:

| Can't get a (fully-qualified) domain-name!
| *** Posting not allowed ***

now stays for 4 secs. that should be enough for those who can't
either configure thier system (set a valid FQDN on the system or
at least HOSTNAME or $HOST) or tin (--with-domain-name).

Yes, I think so. As for me, I set an /invalid/ (not pingable) FQDN,
to prevent Tin from... complaining. By the way, which is the preferred spelling of the name in plain text: `tin', tin, or Tin?

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Anton Shepelev wrote:

to prevent Tin from... complaining. By the way, which is the preferred spelling of the name in plain text: `tin', tin, or Tin?

As I'm not Iain Lea: *shrug* - I'd use tin.

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