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I've made some updates to Newsgrouper, my web interface to Usenet.
It's now at https://newsgrouper.org.uk and the old url will redirect there.
I've made some updates to Newsgrouper, my web interface to Usenet.
It's now at https://newsgrouper.org.uk and the old url will redirect there.
I've made some updates to Newsgrouper, my web interface to Usenet.
It's now at https://newsgrouper.org.uk and the old url will redirect there. >The display of a thread is redesigned. If Javascript is enabled you can >navigate a thread with the keyboard:
- RightArrow will jump to the next message in the thread.
- LeftArrow will jump to the previous message in the thread.
- 'n' will jump to the next New message in the thread.
- 'v' will View the raw source of the current message.
There is a facility to block all posts from annoying people, like the >traditional "kill file", see "Block Poster" at the bottom of the article >display and the general "Preferences".
At the bottom of the list of threads for a group there is now a
"Find Articles" button which can search through 20 years worth of posts
for a specific string (or glob pattern) in the Subject or From field.
...
https://newsgrouper.org.uk/news.software.readers
...
Newsgrouper Update Colin Macleod 24 Oct 2 1 >https://newsgrouper.org.uk/news.software.readers/36312
From: Colin Macleod
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Newsgrouper Update
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:07:49 GMT
...
Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!newsgrouper.org.uk!.POSTED!not-for-mail[end quoted plain text]
From: Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.uk.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Newsgrouper Update
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:07:49 GMT
Message-ID: <1729782469-7@newsgrouper.org.uk>
Injection-Info: newsgrouper.org.uk; mail-complaints-to="newsgrouper@yahoo.com"; posting-account=user7
Injection-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 15:07:49 GMT
User-Agent: Newsgrouper/0.6.1
Xref: news.eternal-september.org news.software.readers:36312
Newsgrouper
A web interface to Usenet discussion groups (no binaries)
Find groups to read
Including this Text: Matching this Pattern:
In the Group Name In the Description
Find an article by message-id
Message-Id: (this has the form <random-stuff@some.site>)
From: Allan Girvan <allangirvan@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Let's Start a XanaNews Thread
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:20:42 +0100
Message-ID: <bdqnl9.2ag.1@ID-66775.user.dfncis.de>
Article with message-id: <bdqnl9.2ag.1@ID-66775.user.dfncis.de>
Article Not Found.
From: Colin Macleod <user7@cmacleod.me.uk.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Newsgrouper - a web interface to Usenet (text only)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 24 22:01:55 GMT
Message-ID: <1708034515-1637776@cmacleod.me.uk>
Article with message-id: <1708034515-1637776@cmacleod.me.uk>
Article Not Found.
newsgrouper search returned "article not found". . .
On 10/24/24 6:54 PM, D wrote:
newsgrouper search returned "article not found". . .
Newsgrouper's source is Eternal September which currently does not have
older articles due to some technical issues.
So currently I assume you will not find anything older there.
ind articles in news.software.readers
Including this Text: Matching this Pattern:
In the Subject In the From (Author) In the References
From: Colin Macleod <user7@cmacleod.me.uk.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Newsgrouper - a web interface to Usenet (text only)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 24 22:01:55 GMT
Message-ID: <1708034515-1637776@cmacleod.me.uk>
From: Eddie <edimodric@makni.inet.hr>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: [Dialog] Browsing through groups marks first message read
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:46:09 +0100
Message-ID: <otb014ec0r13.dlg@eddie.co.uk>
On 10/24/24 6:54 PM, D wrote:
newsgrouper search returned "article not found". . .
Newsgrouper's source is Eternal September which currently does not have
older articles due to some technical issues.
So currently I assume you will not find anything older there.
Path: nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!!news.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!spool1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!injection-bsd1!not-for-mail
From: Allan Girvan <allangirvan@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Let's Start a XanaNews Thread
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:20:42 +0100
Organization: Home
Lines: 31
Message-ID: <bdqnl9.2ag.1@ID-66775.user.dfncis.de>
References: <1057015357.75259.0@doris.uk.clara.net>
Reply-To: <allan.girvan@btinternet.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-41-46-209.in-addr.btopenworld.com (217.41.46.209) >X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1057019235 33108126 217.41.46.209 (16 [66775]) >X-Orig-Path: girvan.news.server!not-for-mail
User-Agent: Xnews/06.02.16
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X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/2.0.2.1
X-KorrNews: Used
Xref: nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com news.software.readers:2949
On 01 Jul 2003, Terry wrote:
Who's using it and what are the good and bad points? I've been
playing with it this evening and am fairly impressed at first
sight. I've not investigated its multi server binary functionality
yet...
Nor me!
I'm a committed Xnews user but I'm aware that Luu has pretty much
given up on Xnews development.
I took a look at Dialog and was impressed but there was something
about it I just didn't like (I have no idea what it was - it just
didn't *feel* right).
Xananews, on the other hand, looks and feels like a winner. I'm
sticking with Xnews for the time being but I think that Xananews may
well become my newsreader of choice. (I'll not commit myself until it
lets me set up separate folders to allow me to gather various
subscribed newsgroups under generic headings - one of the things that
Xnews does really well.)
Other than that, I have no criticisms - an excellent program.
Cheers,
Allan.
--
Please use the "Reply To" address for emails
On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:49:23 +0200, morena <morena@morena.rip> wrote:
On 10/24/24 6:54 PM, D wrote:
newsgrouper search returned "article not found". . .
Newsgrouper's source is Eternal September which currently does not have >older articles due to some technical issues.
So currently I assume you will not find anything older there.
p.s.
that oldest message-id <bdqnl9.2ag.1@ID-66775.user.dfncis.de> copied
from the "blueworld" server (dated 2003/07/01, twenty-one years ago)
was found in https://newsgrouper.org.uk/news.software.readers/search
by searching for the article subject "let's start a xananews thread":
Thanks for the report, I believe I've fixed this now.
It was rather odd. I was already encoding html entities, but it seems
that this was undone because I used "srcdoc" to load the article html
into an iframe. I've made a workaround now.
Colin Macleod wrote:
I've made some updates to Newsgrouper, my web interface to Usenet.
It's now at https://newsgrouper.org.uk and the old url will redirect there.
Good news: non-ASCII characters are now perfectly decoded. Thanks for
that!
However, I've noticed another problem when a URL is between two angle brackets, like this:
<https://gemini.oxydable.fr>
I've made some updates to Newsgrouper, my web interface to Usenet.
It's now at https://newsgrouper.org.uk and the old url will redirect there.
The display of a thread is redesigned. If Javascript is enabled you can navigate a thread with the keyboard:
- RightArrow will jump to the next message in the thread.
- LeftArrow will jump to the previous message in the thread.
- 'n' will jump to the next New message in the thread.
- 'v' will View the raw source of the current message.
There is a facility to block all posts from annoying people, like the traditional "kill file", see "Block Poster" at the bottom of the article display and the general "Preferences".
At the bottom of the list of threads for a group there is now a
"Find Articles" button which can search through 20 years worth of posts
for a specific string (or glob pattern) in the Subject or From field.
Amazing work!
What if we could have your frontend as an option @ the site of Eternal-September... Google Groups resurrected...
=?UTF-8?B?U2FtdWVsIFPDtmRlcmJlcmc=?= <samuel@samuelsoderberg.se> posted:
Amazing work!
What if we could have your frontend as an option @ the site of
Eternal-September... Google Groups resurrected...
Thanks for the encouragement.
A few months ago Ray Banana, the E-S admin, was experimenting with
Rocksolid Light, as used at https://www.novabbs.com with a view to
providing that as a web front-end to E-S. I don't know what the state
of that project is now.
On 24 Oct 2024 at 16:07:49 CEST, "Colin Macleod" ><user7@newsgrouper.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
I've made some updates to Newsgrouper, my web interface to Usenet.
It's now at https://newsgrouper.org.uk and the old url will redirect there. >> The display of a thread is redesigned. If Javascript is enabled you can
navigate a thread with the keyboard:
- RightArrow will jump to the next message in the thread.
- LeftArrow will jump to the previous message in the thread.
- 'n' will jump to the next New message in the thread.
- 'v' will View the raw source of the current message.
There is a facility to block all posts from annoying people, like the
traditional "kill file", see "Block Poster" at the bottom of the article
display and the general "Preferences".
At the bottom of the list of threads for a group there is now a
"Find Articles" button which can search through 20 years worth of posts
for a specific string (or glob pattern) in the Subject or From field.
Google Groups resurrected...
Newsgrouper - a web interface to usenet newsgroups[end quoted plain text]
This is the Tcl code used to run my site https://newsgrouper.org.uk.
It is not currently in a form where it would be very easy for someone
else to install, but I'm making it available just in case anyone is >interested. It has only been tested on Debian 12.
I have moved confidential parameters like login credentials for the
usenet server into config files, and I supply only dummy sample
versions here. But there are many other things hard-coded which
ideally would be configurable.
Prerequisites
Tcl 9.0
Tk (only needed for the user_admin program)
Tcllib
Tclhttpd
TclTls (if https support is wanted)
Retcl (Tcl interface to Redis)
Tclsqlite (Tcl interface to sqlite)
Redis (any of the compatible forks should also work but I have not
tested this)
NNTP access to a usenet server
X-Face support needs the uncompface program (for Debian this is
part of the compface package)
Downloads
You can download the code from The Download Page. >https://chiselapp.com/user/cmacleod/repository/newsgrouper/download >Architecture
Newsgrouper loads news headers and articles on-demand from one or
more usenet servers. These are then cached locally for configurable
times. This allows it to offer the full range of groups available
on the server without needing huge local resources.
The web server used here is Tclhttpd, which is itself implemented
in Tcl. It is customised for this purpose by loading more Tcl code, >principally server/news_code.tcl which generates all the Newsgrouper
web pages on demand.
Communication with the usenet server(s) is delegated to separate
newsgetter processes. Each of these opens one NNTP connection to a
usenet server. Most servers will permit up to 4 concurrent
connections per login, so up to 4 newsgetter processes can be run
per server.
There is also a newsutility process, currently its only job is to
generate PNG images from X-Face headers.
Coordination of these processes and caching of their results is
done through Redis, using the DisTcl system - see >https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/DisTcl for more info about this.
User login info, both for registered users and guests, is kept in
a single sqlite table. A utility program user_admin can be used to
initialise the database and to add registered users.
Other user-specific info like their preferences and which groups
they read is kept in Redis.
License
This software uses the ISC LICENSE:
Copyright (c) 2024 Colin G. Macleod
...
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) posted:
Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) posted:
Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Ofcom have stated unequivocally that geo-blocking the UK[...]
will put a site outside the scope of the Act.
Writing as a disinterested observer:
could the use of a non-UK VPN node circumvent such a block?
I refer the honourable member to my previous answer.
Hmm. I don't see a plain answer to my particular question but
(at risk of error) I can infer one. Whatever, it isn't my problem;
good luck with your project.
Providing guidance on how unscrupulous persons might subvert a legal restriction would be most unethical. I should certainly never
encourage any such behaviour.
On 2025-02-14, s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:17:38 -0000 (UTC), rek2 hispagatos wrote:
Can't you host on a non 8 eyes country? and have the few in the uk
using it use tor/vpn? you could also give http access on tor/i2p
:shrugs:
It's Nine Eyes, isn't it?
Indeed seems like unfortunately the "eyes" keeps growing :)
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:17:38 -0000 (UTC), rek2 hispagatos wrote:
Can't you host on a non 8 eyes country? and have the few in the uk
using it use tor/vpn? you could also give http access on tor/i2p
:shrugs:
It's Nine Eyes, isn't it?
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> posted:
On 2025-02-14, s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:17:38 -0000 (UTC), rek2 hispagatos wrote:
Can't you host on a non 8 eyes country? and have the few in the uk
using it use tor/vpn? you could also give http access on tor/i2p
:shrugs:
It's Nine Eyes, isn't it?
Indeed seems like unfortunately the "eyes" keeps growing :)
The new UK law doesn't care where the service is hosted, only whether
it's available to UK users. Also users who are sophisticated enough
to use tor or a vpn would most likely be using their own nntp client
and so would not need my web interface at all.
If it's just to whom the service is offered, then all other News servers/services would also be bound by this new UK law, i.e.
for example News.Individual.NET in Germany, Eternal September in
<wherever>, etc..
rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> posted:
On 2025-02-14, s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:17:38 -0000 (UTC), rek2 hispagatos wrote:Indeed seems like unfortunately the "eyes" keeps growing :)
Can't you host on a non 8 eyes country? and have the few in the uk
using it use tor/vpn? you could also give http access on tor/i2p
:shrugs:
It's Nine Eyes, isn't it?
The new UK law doesn't care where the service is hosted, only whether
it's available to UK users. Also users who are sophisticated enough
to use tor or a vpn would most likely be using their own nntp client
and so would not need my web interface at all.
Sorry, but I've now decided I need to block access to Newsgrouper from the >UK, starting 16th March. This is because I find it impractical to meet the >requirements of the UK's Online Safety Act, which comes into effect then.
See https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety and https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk >I've done a fair bit more homework on this, reading some of the guidance,
but not all the thousands of pages that Ofcom has produced, and following >their online seminars. Unfortunately very many aspects remain vague, and >requests to Ofcom to provide clearer guidelines get answers like "It depends >on your circumstances", "We can't advise individual sites", "You have to
make the judgement", etc..
I'm afraid my conclusion is that trying to comply with the OSA is just too >much effort. It's not just the initial risk assessments and policy/system >changes. It's also that one is then required to respond to any reports that >come in and judge whether that content is really illegal. You are required
to remove anything that *is* illegal under a long list of categories, but >also to protect users' right to freedom of speech. It's easy to think of >cases where this balance could be very tricky. I simply don't want to get >into the business of having to police other people's speech.
Ofcom have stated unequivocally that geo-blocking the UK will put a site >outside the scope of the Act. So I put up a simple survey on the newsgrouper >site, this appeared for UK users only, and I let it run for two weeks.
There was just one question and a space for comments. I got 11 responses,
as follows:
How would a UK block affect you? Answers
1: Not Concerned, I can follow Usenet by other means. 1
2: An Annoyance, but not the end of the world. 5
3: Oh No, that would be a disaster! 5
The comments were generally disappointed, but some also expressed >understanding. So blocking UK access would be a real inconvenience to
5 people. I regret that, but they may be able to use one of the other web >interfaces to Usenet, see: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-based_Usenet#Web-based_sites_and_popularity >Also UK people are only about 15% of my users now.
I have seen comments that having a .uk address is enough to bring a site
into the scope of the act. I'm not convinced about that, but to be on the >safe side I have reregistered my site as newsgrouper.org with a redirect
from newsgrouper.org.uk .
My software is available at: >https://chiselapp.com/user/cmacleod/repository/newsgrouper/home
so if anyone else wants to take on the job of running an instance that would >remain open to UK users, they are welcome to do so.
Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Ofcom have stated unequivocally that geo-blocking the UK[...]
will put a site outside the scope of the Act.
Writing as a disinterested observer:
could the use of a non-UK VPN node circumvent such a block?
Sorry, but I've now decided I need to block access to Newsgrouper from the UK, starting 16th March. This is because I find it impractical to meet the requirements of the UK's Online Safety Act, which comes into effect then.
See https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety and https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk
I've done a fair bit more homework on this, reading some of the guidance,
but not all the thousands of pages that Ofcom has produced, and following their online seminars. Unfortunately very many aspects remain vague, and requests to Ofcom to provide clearer guidelines get answers like "It depends on your circumstances", "We can't advise individual sites", "You have to
make the judgement", etc..
I'm afraid my conclusion is that trying to comply with the OSA is just too much effort. It's not just the initial risk assessments and policy/system changes. It's also that one is then required to respond to any reports that come in and judge whether that content is really illegal. You are required
to remove anything that *is* illegal under a long list of categories, but also to protect users' right to freedom of speech. It's easy to think of cases where this balance could be very tricky. I simply don't want to get into the business of having to police other people's speech.
Ofcom have stated unequivocally that geo-blocking the UK will put a site outside the scope of the Act. So I put up a simple survey on the newsgrouper site, this appeared for UK users only, and I let it run for two weeks.
There was just one question and a space for comments. I got 11 responses,
as follows:
How would a UK block affect you? Answers
1: Not Concerned, I can follow Usenet by other means. 1
2: An Annoyance, but not the end of the world. 5
3: Oh No, that would be a disaster! 5
The comments were generally disappointed, but some also expressed understanding. So blocking UK access would be a real inconvenience to
5 people. I regret that, but they may be able to use one of the other web interfaces to Usenet, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-based_Usenet#Web-based_sites_and_popularity Also UK people are only about 15% of my users now.
I have seen comments that having a .uk address is enough to bring a site
into the scope of the act. I'm not convinced about that, but to be on the safe side I have reregistered my site as newsgrouper.org with a redirect
from newsgrouper.org.uk .
My software is available at: https://chiselapp.com/user/cmacleod/repository/newsgrouper/home
so if anyone else wants to take on the job of running an instance that would remain open to UK users, they are welcome to do so.
Can't you host on a non 8 eyes country? and have the few in the uk
using it use tor/vpn? you could also give http access on tor/i2p
:shrugs:
Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) posted:
Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Ofcom have stated unequivocally that geo-blocking the UK[...]
will put a site outside the scope of the Act.
Writing as a disinterested observer:
could the use of a non-UK VPN node circumvent such a block?
I refer the honourable member to my previous answer.
Hmm. I don't see a plain answer to my particular question but
(at risk of error) I can infer one. Whatever, it isn't my problem;
good luck with your project.
On 2025-02-14, Colin Macleod <user7@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Sorry, but I've now decided I need to block access to Newsgrouper from the >> UK, starting 16th March. This is because I find it impractical to meet the >> requirements of the UK's Online Safety Act, which comes into effect then.
See https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety and https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk >>
I've done a fair bit more homework on this, reading some of the guidance,
but not all the thousands of pages that Ofcom has produced, and following
their online seminars. Unfortunately very many aspects remain vague, and
requests to Ofcom to provide clearer guidelines get answers like "It depends >> on your circumstances", "We can't advise individual sites", "You have to
make the judgement", etc..
I'm afraid my conclusion is that trying to comply with the OSA is just too >> much effort. It's not just the initial risk assessments and policy/system >> changes. It's also that one is then required to respond to any reports that >> come in and judge whether that content is really illegal. You are required >> to remove anything that *is* illegal under a long list of categories, but
also to protect users' right to freedom of speech. It's easy to think of
cases where this balance could be very tricky. I simply don't want to get
into the business of having to police other people's speech.
Ofcom have stated unequivocally that geo-blocking the UK will put a site
outside the scope of the Act. So I put up a simple survey on the newsgrouper >> site, this appeared for UK users only, and I let it run for two weeks.
There was just one question and a space for comments. I got 11 responses,
as follows:
How would a UK block affect you? Answers
1: Not Concerned, I can follow Usenet by other means. 1
2: An Annoyance, but not the end of the world. 5
3: Oh No, that would be a disaster! 5
The comments were generally disappointed, but some also expressed
understanding. So blocking UK access would be a real inconvenience to
5 people. I regret that, but they may be able to use one of the other web
interfaces to Usenet, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-based_Usenet#Web-based_sites_and_popularity
Also UK people are only about 15% of my users now.
I have seen comments that having a .uk address is enough to bring a site
into the scope of the act. I'm not convinced about that, but to be on the
safe side I have reregistered my site as newsgrouper.org with a redirect
from newsgrouper.org.uk .
My software is available at:
https://chiselapp.com/user/cmacleod/repository/newsgrouper/home
so if anyone else wants to take on the job of running an instance that would >> remain open to UK users, they are welcome to do so.
Can't you host on a non 8 eyes country? and have the few in the uk
using it use tor/vpn? you could also give http access on tor/i2p
:shrugs:
Providing guidance on how unscrupulous persons might subvert a legal >restriction would be most unethical. I should certainly never encourage
any such behaviour.