• Re: Claws-Mail vs. Sylpheed

    From Barcelona@21:1/5 to John" on Sun Sep 8 03:23:12 2024
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 09:42:53 +0100
    "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 02:11:11 -0000 (UTC)
    Ini Nagap <invalid@nagap.ini> wrote:

    Claws Mail client has gotten increasingly buggy over time on Linux.

    Now it crashes often. It especially crashes when accessing pop and
    nntp over a Tor proxy. The way it interfaces with the gnu nntp
    library causes it to crash a lot. This newsreader has become
    aggravating to use. It is almost like someone put the bug there on
    purpose to discourage Tor usage.

    But you're a newbie; you've not posted to usenet before. Why do you
    need to hide behind Tor?

    I am looking at Sylpheed as a replacement. Does anyone have
    experience with Sylpheed? What has that experience been like? Do
    unexpected bugs hide in its woodwork? Has the developer gone AWOL?
    What is the status of the project?

    Works OK, some grumbles: I haven't got a KF working, have to manually
    snip sigs, and xposted messages don't seem to get Marked As Read.

    No idea after that. I *think* I moved to it for utf support - but I
    haven't checked if it does.


    I can't use Thunderbird. It takes 30 to 45 seconds just to open the
    program and it freezes up periodically.



    Standard.

    Libsylph seems to have none of the problems of libetpan20. Since Claws
    is based upon Sylpheed the Claws devs could just re-link to Libsylph
    for the proxy and nntp logic. If anyone knows how to compile claws-mail
    that way I would be willing to try and test it.

    I cannot understand why claws devs thought it a good idea to move to
    libetpan. They created one more external dependency for no benefit.
    Sylpheed was (almost) bug free.

    One gripe about sylpheed is that after marking newsgroups read, the
    next time it syncs the very messages marked read are marked unread
    again. Unless and until a bevy of new messages are posted to the group,
    every time the application is synced all the read messages from the
    former session will be re-marked as unread. This is very annoying.

    Another Sylpheed gripe is the inability to mark all folders read
    recursively. If I am reading 25 newsgroups I have to mark them read individually.

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  • From Ini Nagap@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 02:11:11 2024
    Claws Mail client has gotten increasingly buggy over time on Linux.

    Now it crashes often. It especially crashes when accessing pop and nntp over a Tor proxy. The way it interfaces with the gnu nntp library causes it to crash a lot. This newsreader has become aggravating to use. It is almost like someone put the bug there
    on purpose to discourage Tor usage.

    I am looking at Sylpheed as a replacement. Does anyone have experience with Sylpheed? What has that experience been like? Do unexpected bugs hide in its woodwork? Has the developer gone AWOL? What is the status of the project?

    I can't use Thunderbird. It takes 30 to 45 seconds just to open the program and it freezes up periodically.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Ini Nagap on Tue Aug 27 09:42:53 2024
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 02:11:11 -0000 (UTC)
    Ini Nagap <invalid@nagap.ini> wrote:

    Claws Mail client has gotten increasingly buggy over time on Linux.

    Now it crashes often. It especially crashes when accessing pop and nntp over a Tor proxy. The way it interfaces with the gnu nntp library causes it to crash a lot. This newsreader has become aggravating to use. It is almost like someone put the bug
    there on purpose to discourage Tor usage.


    But you're a newbie; you've not posted to usenet before. Why do you need
    to hide behind Tor?

    I am looking at Sylpheed as a replacement. Does anyone have experience with Sylpheed? What has that experience been like? Do unexpected bugs hide in its woodwork? Has the developer gone AWOL? What is the status of the project?

    Works OK, some grumbles: I haven't got a KF working, have to manually
    snip sigs, and xposted messages don't seem to get Marked As Read.

    No idea after that. I *think* I moved to it for utf support - but I
    haven't checked if it does.


    I can't use Thunderbird. It takes 30 to 45 seconds just to open the program and it freezes up periodically.



    Standard.



    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ini Nagap on Tue Aug 27 12:58:41 2024
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 02:11:11 -0000 (UTC), Ini Nagap <invalid@nagap.ini> wrote: >Claws Mail client has gotten increasingly buggy over time on Linux.
    Now it crashes often. It especially crashes when accessing pop and nntp
    over a Tor proxy. The way it interfaces with the gnu nntp library causes
    it to crash a lot. This newsreader has become aggravating to use. It is >almost like someone put the bug there on purpose to discourage Tor usage.
    I am looking at Sylpheed as a replacement. Does anyone have experience
    with Sylpheed? What has that experience been like? Do unexpected bugs
    hide in its woodwork? Has the developer gone AWOL? What is the status of
    the project?
    I can't use Thunderbird. It takes 30 to 45 seconds just to open the
    program and it freezes up periodically.

    hmm... i'm not a linux user, but tor browser and omnimix tor both
    work great in every popular version of ms windows (from xp to 11);
    i would start by searching links for using tor browser with linux:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+tor+browser https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+site%3Atorproject.org

    and search links for using sylpheed & claws mail with tor browser:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sylpheed+linux+tor+browser https://duckduckgo.com/?q=claws-mail+linux+tor+browser https://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/
    https://www.claws-mail.org/

    other newsgroups might be helpful (one newsgroup at a time), e.g.:

    news:alt.comp.linux
    news:alt.comp.os.linux
    news:alt.privacy.anon-server
    news:news.software.nntp

    tor browser 13.5.2 (2024-8-6)
    https://www.torproject.org/

    omnimix 2.7.3 (2024-05-12)
    https://danner-net.de/om.htm

    many linux users out there in usenet land . . . what works best?

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 17:36:35 2024
    On 27.08.2024 um 02:11 Uhr Ini Nagap wrote:

    Claws Mail client has gotten increasingly buggy over time on Linux.

    Now it crashes often. It especially crashes when accessing pop and
    nntp over a Tor proxy. The way it interfaces with the gnu nntp
    library causes it to crash a lot. This newsreader has become
    aggravating to use. It is almost like someone put the bug there on
    purpose to discourage Tor usage.

    Please open bug reports for that in the Claws Mail tracker.
    IIRC one of the crashes is related to libetpan which is built with the
    wrong options:

    https://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2024-March/032788.html

    I reported that to Debian, but they didn't change it yet. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1068446

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1724717471muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Ini Nagap@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Thu Aug 29 19:35:52 2024
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:36:35 +0200
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

    On 27.08.2024 um 02:11 Uhr Ini Nagap wrote:

    Claws Mail client has gotten increasingly buggy over time on Linux.

    Now it crashes often. It especially crashes when accessing pop and
    nntp over a Tor proxy. The way it interfaces with the gnu nntp
    library causes it to crash a lot. This newsreader has become
    aggravating to use. It is almost like someone put the bug there on
    purpose to discourage Tor usage.

    Please open bug reports for that in the Claws Mail tracker.
    IIRC one of the crashes is related to libetpan which is built with the
    wrong options:

    Looking through their copious bug reports on this issue, it appears they have been aware of the issue for several years. One more bug report on the same issue is not going to change anything.

    The last thing I am going to do is jump through hoops, devote time to setting up debug and logging environment, only to have my efforts ignored, or to be told that they can't replicate the bugs on their end.

    Some things just aren't worth the hassle. If they don't want people using Tor, this is their way of saying so.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Ini Nagap on Fri Aug 30 00:08:49 2024
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 19:35:52 -0000 (UTC), Ini Nagap <invalid@nagap.ini> wrote: >On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:36:35 +0200
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 27.08.2024 um 02:11 Uhr Ini Nagap wrote:
    Claws Mail client has gotten increasingly buggy over time on Linux.
    Now it crashes often. It especially crashes when accessing pop and
    nntp over a Tor proxy. The way it interfaces with the gnu nntp
    library causes it to crash a lot. This newsreader has become
    aggravating to use. It is almost like someone put the bug there on
    purpose to discourage Tor usage.

    Please open bug reports for that in the Claws Mail tracker.
    IIRC one of the crashes is related to libetpan which is built with the
    wrong options:

    Looking through their copious bug reports on this issue, it appears they have been aware of the issue for several years. One more bug report on the same issue is not going to change anything.
    The last thing I am going to do is jump through hoops, devote time to setting up debug and logging environment, only to have my efforts ignored, or to be told that they can't replicate the bugs on their end.
    Some things just aren't worth the hassle. If they don't want people using Tor, this is their way of saying so.

    may not be deliberate "anti-tor" behavior, but agree that bug reports
    also may not be taken seriously if their systems are not experiencing
    similar problems . . . recommend testing other newsreaders with linux
    (list w/links here: http://usenet-fr.yakakwatik.org/newsreaders.html);

    seems ironic that the majority of popular free usenet newsservers are tor-friendly, including the popular novabbs "rocksolid-light" website: https://news.novabbs.org/computers/thread.php?group=news.software.readers

    e.g. rocksolid-light https://gitlab.com/rslight-public/rocksolid-light
    *Tested with Claws Mail, Thunderbird, Knews, tin, Pan and some others encouraging tor users ... in stark contrast to "cloudflare" ad nauseam:

    https://news.novabbs.org/common/connect.php
    Clearnet Newsreader Access:
    Approximately 42,000 Usenet text groups
    Create an account on www.i2pn2.org (it's free)
    Direct your news client to: news.i2pn2.org:119 or 563
    Using i2p or Tor?
    Create an account on:
    rslight.i2p
    or
    fev4bgoasgxttqb3x3tukxxia6lwryteq6a2ramqb2gjiol3zbu6xaid.onion
    Connect your news client here: >v77lu6t26velvaddm4gibyzd5sogskuczp7vwoc4vxmukvvaucva.b32.i2p
    or
    tk4pwu574u4zrndofwx7dtlh2g2swauhtfblyrbhzxypznomgxxhgqyd.onion:119
    [end quote]

    if only 40tude dialog and omnimix would work smoothly in linux, then
    then the entire world would be a better place to live...err, sort of

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  • From Anton Shepelev@21:1/5 to Ini Nagap on Thu Sep 19 18:22:41 2024
    Ini Nagap <invalid@nagap.ini> wrote:

    I am looking at Sylpheed as a replacement. Does anyone have
    experience with Sylpheed?

    Yes, I do. I enjoy Shelpheed as both mail- and newsreader.

    What has that experience been like?

    Very positive: Sylpheed is light, fast, portable, good-looking (one
    you hide the icons), configurable, and easy to operate with both
    the mouse and the keyboard. I had tried many e-mail clients, but
    I have stuck with Sylpheed.

    Do unexpected bugs hide in its woodwork?

    I don't know, which is a good thing, innit?

    Has the developer gone AWOL?

    Hiroyuki has not posted to the mailing list (which I read via NNTP,
    via Gmane, via Sylpheed) in quite q wwhile, so I fear Sylpheed may
    be an orphaned project.

    I can't use Thunderbird. It takes 30 to 45 seconds just to open the
    program and it freezes up periodically.

    Bloatware.

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  • From Schlomo Goldberg@21:1/5 to Ini Nagap on Mon Nov 25 09:18:01 2024
    Ini Nagap <invalid@nagap.ini> writes:

    I can't use Thunderbird. It takes 30 to 45 seconds just to open the
    program and it freezes up periodically.

    Why don't you go with terminal-based newsreaders? They're the best Linux
    have to offer, and they should be very easy to torify.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Schlomo Goldberg on Mon Nov 25 19:20:03 2024
    Schlomo Goldberg <schlomo.goldberg@mailinator.com> wrote at 09:18 this Monday (GMT):
    Ini Nagap <invalid@nagap.ini> writes:

    I can't use Thunderbird. It takes 30 to 45 seconds just to open the
    program and it freezes up periodically.

    Why don't you go with terminal-based newsreaders? They're the best Linux
    have to offer, and they should be very easy to torify.


    I personally think slrn is pretty good.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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