badgolferman wrote on Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:17:13 -0000 (UTC) :

If you create a new AppleID as of Feb2023, that new account must
use 2FA. You cannot, for the rest of your life, remove that 2FA.

Only Apple does that.

That is total bullshit. I have lots of financial and other accounts
that demand 2FA, no option out.

To be fair, I think he was talking about mobile phone manufacturers.

Hi badgolferman,

Thank you for understanding I was comparing with other operating systems.

I'm consistent on the Apple newsgroups in that I compare facts about Apple
to each of the other common consumer operating systems, as you are aware.

I happen to have most of those operating systems right in front of me.
Most of the ignorant Apple religious zealots have never used the others.

So they're completely unaware that Apple is the only common consumer
operating system vendor who forces 2FA upon you for the rest of your life.

Obviously I fought that requirement tooth and nail. And I lost.
To be clear, I contacted Apple Support at 800-275-2273 three times.

I spoke with six different people (three "Support Advisors" and three escalations to "Senor Support Advisors") during those 3 hours of talk.

True to form that most people who own Apple products don't know a thing
about them, each of the "Advisors" initially claimed you don't need 2FA.

Then, in turn, separately, each of the three "Senior Advisors" checked with Apple engineers and reported that it's impossible to create an Apple ID
with adding 2FA which is then required for life to log into the device.

One even went so far as to agree that if you want privacy from Apple, then probably I should return the iPads and get something else, instead.

Because this is a FACT.
I wish it was NOT a fact. I really do. But it's a FACT.

You can NOT remove 2FA from any Apple ID created after February of 2023.

The question now, given the finality of that fatal flaw for privacy,
is what is the most private way for 2FA when you're forced to do it?

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On 2024-09-02, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

On 9/2/2024 12:22 AM, Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Sep 2024 19:45:00 GMT :

It doesn�t matter what Arlen says or does.

Nonsense. Lies always matter, and Arlen lies constantly.

Heh heh heh... Jolly Roger hates well-known facts about Apple
products.

FACT:
If you create a new AppleID as of Feb2023, that new account must
use 2FA. You cannot, for the rest of your life, remove that 2FA.

Only Apple does that.

That is total bullshit. I have lots of financial and other accounts
that demand 2FA, no option out.

To be fair, I think he was talking about mobile phone manufacturers.

To be fair, many companies require 2FA to be enabled, and many others
prefer it to be enabled, because it greatly increases security for those accounts, and more importantly most people never need to disable it.
Also to be fair, there is no supposed "loss of privacy" inherent with
2FA as little Arlen claims. This entire topic is a manufactured troll.
That you side with and support Arlen's every troll says a lot about you.

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On 2024-09-02, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

That's just a fact that you *must* provide Apple a phone number.
And you *must* have that phone with you for the rest of your life.
Every time you log into an Apple device.

Nope, just the very first time. Afterwards there is no need to do 2FA
since the device is remembered from then on. Also, you can easily
change the 2FA number if/when needed. As usual, Arlen can't write about anything Apple-related without injecting outright lies into it.

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On 2024-09-01 10:14, badgolferman wrote:

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

XanaNews Statistic for misc.phone.mobile.iphone. 09/01/2024 08:58:13

From article 66839 (08/01/2024 00:54:26) to article 67131 (08/31/2024
19:15:16)

Number of threads ................... 40
Number of articles .................. 296
Average articles per thread ......... 7.40
Number of unanswered posts .......... 8

Certainly looks like troll free august was largely a success.

Even Arlen behaved.

Any chance this can continue?

It doesn’t matter what Arlen says or does. It’s people like Alan and Jolly
Roger who have to refute and argue incessantly which extends threads.
However to his credit, Jolly Roger has behaved this month.

How is refuting bullshit wrong, BGM?

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On 2024-09-01 10:49, badgolferman wrote:

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

XanaNews Statistic for misc.phone.mobile.iphone. 09/01/2024 08:58:13 >>>>>
From article 66839 (08/01/2024 00:54:26) to article 67131 (08/31/2024 >>>>> 19:15:16)

Number of threads ................... 40
Number of articles .................. 296
Average articles per thread ......... 7.40
Number of unanswered posts .......... 8

Certainly looks like troll free august was largely a success.

Even Arlen behaved.

Any chance this can continue?

It doesn’t matter what Arlen says or does. It’s people like Alan and Jolly
Roger who have to refute and argue incessantly which extends threads.
However to his credit, Jolly Roger has behaved this month.

I doubt Jolly Roger needs your phony praise.

Sigh… I knew it wouldn’t take long for the personal insults and incendiary
comments to start.

What "personal insult"?

I think your praise is phony, too, but that's not a personal insult.

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On 2024-09-02, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2024-09-01 10:49, badgolferman wrote:

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

XanaNews Statistic for misc.phone.mobile.iphone. 09/01/2024 08:58:13 >>>>>>
From article 66839 (08/01/2024 00:54:26) to article 67131 (08/31/2024 >>>>>> 19:15:16)

Number of threads ................... 40
Number of articles .................. 296
Average articles per thread ......... 7.40
Number of unanswered posts .......... 8

Certainly looks like troll free august was largely a success.

Even Arlen behaved.

Any chance this can continue?

It doesn’t matter what Arlen says or does. It’s people like Alan and Jolly
Roger who have to refute and argue incessantly which extends threads.
However to his credit, Jolly Roger has behaved this month.

I doubt Jolly Roger needs your phony praise.

Sigh… I knew it wouldn’t take long for the personal insults and incendiary
comments to start.

What "personal insult"?

I think your praise is phony, too, but that's not a personal insult.

When your position is that of a bully, you take any pushback personally.

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On 2024-09-02, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2024-09-01 10:14, badgolferman wrote:

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

XanaNews Statistic for misc.phone.mobile.iphone. 09/01/2024 08:58:13

From article 66839 (08/01/2024 00:54:26) to article 67131 (08/31/2024 >>>> 19:15:16)

Number of threads ................... 40
Number of articles .................. 296
Average articles per thread ......... 7.40
Number of unanswered posts .......... 8

Certainly looks like troll free august was largely a success.

Even Arlen behaved.

Any chance this can continue?

It doesn’t matter what Arlen says or does. It’s people like Alan and Jolly
Roger who have to refute and argue incessantly which extends threads.
However to his credit, Jolly Roger has behaved this month.

How is refuting bullshit wrong, BGM?

Bullies always claim the people who stand up to their bullshit are the
"real bullies". And trolls like BGM and his best buddy Arlen are no
different.

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On 2024-09-03 10:33, badgolferman wrote:

Chris wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

XanaNews Statistic for misc.phone.mobile.iphone. 09/01/2024
08:58:13
From article 66839 (08/01/2024 00:54:26) to article 67131
(08/31/2024 19:15:16)

Number of threads ................... 40
Number of articles .................. 296
Average articles per thread ......... 7.40
Number of unanswered posts .......... 8

Certainly looks like troll free august was largely a success.

Even Arlen behaved.

Any chance this can continue?

It appears the answer will be "No!".

Certainly, you'll not be helping.

:-)

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On 2024-09-03, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Chris wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

XanaNews Statistic for misc.phone.mobile.iphone. 09/01/2024
08:58:13
From article 66839 (08/01/2024 00:54:26) to article 67131
(08/31/2024 19:15:16)

Number of threads ................... 40
Number of articles .................. 296
Average articles per thread ......... 7.40
Number of unanswered posts .......... 8

Certainly looks like troll free august was largely a success.

Even Arlen behaved.

Any chance this can continue?

It appears the answer will be "No!".

It wasn't a success. Arlen started his 2FA post where he lied about
Apple's 2FA implementation repeatedly before the month was over. What
BGM and Arlen really want is to be able to troll without repercussion.
They want to lie without anyone correcting them. That is what they
consider "success".

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On 2024-09-03, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Chris wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

XanaNews Statistic for misc.phone.mobile.iphone. 09/01/2024
08:58:13
From article 66839 (08/01/2024 00:54:26) to article 67131
(08/31/2024 19:15:16)

Number of threads ................... 40
Number of articles .................. 296
Average articles per thread ......... 7.40
Number of unanswered posts .......... 8

Certainly looks like troll free august was largely a success.

Even Arlen behaved.

Any chance this can continue?

It appears the answer will be "No!".

Yeah <sigh>

As usual, BGM & others who support Arlen will claim those who correct
Arlen's lies are the "real problem" here, all while giving a pass to the resident trolls for their behavior. Arlen posted several times during
last month with lies, uncorrected. This was seen as a great "success" by
the trolls for obvious reasons. But the minute someone steps in to
correct those lies, there's a "problem".

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On 4 Sep 2024 at 03:50:36 BST, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-09-03, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Chris wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

XanaNews Statistic for misc.phone.mobile.iphone. 09/01/2024
08:58:13
From article 66839 (08/01/2024 00:54:26) to article 67131
(08/31/2024 19:15:16)

Number of threads ................... 40
Number of articles .................. 296
Average articles per thread ......... 7.40
Number of unanswered posts .......... 8

Certainly looks like troll free august was largely a success.

Even Arlen behaved.

Any chance this can continue?

It appears the answer will be "No!".

Yeah <sigh>

As usual, BGM & others who support Arlen will claim those who correct
Arlen's lies are the "real problem" here, all while giving a pass to the resident trolls for their behavior. Arlen posted several times during
last month with lies, uncorrected. This was seen as a great "success" by
the trolls for obvious reasons. But the minute someone steps in to
correct those lies, there's a "problem".

Exactly. There's a problem. And it's not one in quotes.
I personally have no interest in whether the trolls "succeed" or not.
But I do have an interest in improving the signal to noise ratio, and replying to the noise only increases its level.
'Nuff said.

Od John.

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On 2024-09-04, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Chris wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Chris wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

XanaNews Statistic for misc.phone.mobile.iphone. 09/01/2024
08:58:13
From article 66839 (08/01/2024 00:54:26) to article 67131
(08/31/2024 19:15:16)

Number of threads ................... 40
Number of articles .................. 296
Average articles per thread ......... 7.40
Number of unanswered posts .......... 8

Certainly looks like troll free august was largely a success.

Even Arlen behaved.

Any chance this can continue?

It appears the answer will be "No!".

Yeah <sigh>

Since Jolly Roger always accuses me of being a troll

You always side with known trolls, giving them a pass but objecting when
anyone stands up to them. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

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On 2024-09-03 22:50, Jolly Roger wrote:

the trolls for obvious reasons. But the minute someone steps in to
correct those lies, there's a "problem".

"Correcting troll lies."

This concept was declared a dead duck sometime in the early 1990's if
not earlier.

Not too late to resume "troll free September".

Just ignore them, including straight man badgooferthing.

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On 2024-09-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2024-09-03 22:50, Jolly Roger wrote:

the trolls for obvious reasons. But the minute someone steps in to
correct those lies, there's a "problem".

"Correcting troll lies."

This concept was declared a dead duck sometime in the early 1990's if
not earlier.

Not too late to resume "troll free September".

It never was in fact troll free. The trolls were simply allowed to troll without objection. So you can stop calling it that now. It's a lie.
Irony truly is dead.

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On 4 Sep 2024 at 20:29:07 BST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2024-09-03 22:50, Jolly Roger wrote:

the trolls for obvious reasons. But the minute someone steps in to
correct those lies, there's a "problem".

"Correcting troll lies."

This concept was declared a dead duck sometime in the early 1990's if
not earlier.

Not too late to resume "troll free September".

Just ignore them, including straight man badgooferthing.

I tend to put trolls into one of three classes:
1. The mischief makers. Like cows, if ignored they will usually go away.
2. The zealots. Like Flat Earthers, Anti-Vaxers and their like, there is no point in arguing with them. You might as well argue with a wall. So why
bother?
3. Those who seem to be quite unable to resist responding to either of the above.

I have now contributed quite sufficiently to the noise on this channel. My
role here as a troll is over.

Old John.

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