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On 2024-10-11, Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024),
and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes
into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part),
results from a small but representative sample of the whole population
can be statistically significant. So just because someone has no
background in statistics is a not a reason to necessarily doubt the
premise.
Again, they tell us nothing about how these people were selected or approached for this survey. And I disagree that you should not be
critical of data like this - especially when it doesn't seem to reflect opinions of other small samplings of iPhone users.
On 11.10.24 21:11, Chris wrote:
Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), and >>>> you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is significant? >>>> Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes into 2.5 billion? >>>If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part), results >>> from a small but representative sample of the whole population can be
statistically significant. So just because someone has no background in >>> statistics is a not a reason to necessarily doubt the premise.
Correct.
No. It is not correct by any means.
I still lack the proof that the sample is relevant.
On 2024-10-11 05:51, Wilf wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), and
you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is significant?
Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part), results
from a small but representative sample of the whole population can be
statistically significant.
Do you have evidence that the sample pop was chosen properly?
On 2024-10-11, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-11 05:51, Wilf wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024),
and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes
into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part),
results from a small but representative sample of the whole
population can be statistically significant.
Do you have evidence that the sample pop was chosen properly?
He does not. If that were known, we wouldn't be having this
conversation.
On 11/10/2024 at 16:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-10-11, Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024),
and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes
into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part),
results from a small but representative sample of the whole population
can be statistically significant. So just because someone has no
background in statistics is a not a reason to necessarily doubt the
premise.
Again, they tell us nothing about how these people were selected or
approached for this survey. And I disagree that you should not be
critical of data like this - especially when it doesn't seem to reflect
opinions of other small samplings of iPhone users.
Of course its very sensible to be sceptical about how the sample was
chosen etc., my point is that just because the sample size is small does
not in itself invalidate it.
This isn't an unsubstantiated claim where burden of proof would apply.
There is proof/evidence here: the result of the survey.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
No. That's not how the burden of proof works. The person (or in this
case, the website) making the claim is responsible for proving their
methodology is sound. And absent of that proof, the rest of us are
completely within our right to disregard it as baseless. This really
shouldn't need to be explained to educated adults, but here we are.
You've completely misapplied burden of proof.
This isn't an unsubstantiated claim where burden of proof would apply.
There is proof/evidence here: the result of the survey.
You are welcome to disagree with it, but if you want to make an unsubstantiated claim that it is meaningless the onus is now on you.
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep tensions
between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be imagining it.
According to a new survey conducted by All About Cookies, some iPhone
users "think less" of others represented as a green bubble while
texting, which often depicts Android users.
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered switching
to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that it's a better
device, but because they've felt pressured or ridiculed into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults in
July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Among the iPhone users surveyed in the study, nearly a quarter — 22
percent — admit that they look down on users that send "non-iMessage
texts" (e.g., Android users). However, 78 percent of iPhone-owning participants say they don't feel superior to green-bubble senders.
Interestingly, 23 percent of iPhone users get turned off when they
discover that a potential love interest comes up as a green bubble in
their first text conversation, calling it a "dealbreaker."
The survey looked at how male and female participants differed in their responses. One question asked, "Would it be a dealbreaker for someone
you were interested in to use a non-Apple phone?" Thirty-one percent of
men said yes; 16 percent of women said the same.
The survey discovered that 52 percent of Android users were "made fun
of at some point" by iPhone users for their mobile device; 36 percent
said they were "negatively judged." Twenty-six percent confessed to
feeling embarrassed about their Android device.
Additionally, 30 percent of Android users considered switching due to
peer pressure, the survey revealed.
While there’s some friction between Android and iPhone users, the
survey found that both camps are seek equal footing by exploring more seamless messaging platforms (e.g., WhatsApp).
Forty-two percent said yes when asked, "Have you ever switched to a third-party messaging app to accommodate non-iOS users?"
While Apple hasn't shown any indication that it will drop the green
bubbles any time soon, the Cupertino-based tech giant now supports RCS messaging (also known as Rich Communication Services) in Messages with
the launch of iOS 18.
Without RCS Messaging support, Android and iPhone users experienced
some foibles while messaging each other. For example, videos and
pictures appeared blurry and low-quality due to heavy media
compression. Plus, there are no read receipts nor typing indicators.
However, as mentioned, that is now changing with iOS 18.
Expect higher-quality media sharing and other modern messaging features between iPhone and Android users, thanks to iOS 18. The only thing that
won't be featured with iPhone-supported RCS is end-to-end encryption,
though the GSM Association (Global System for Mobile Communications),
which is at the helm of the RCS standard, is working to bring
end-to-end encryption to both mobile operating systems.
https://mashable.com/article/iphone-users-think-less-of-android-users-green-bubbles
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:You omitted this text about the survey:
On 2024-10-11 05:51, Wilf wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), and >>>> you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is significant? >>>> Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes into 2.5 billion? >>>If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part), results >>> from a small but representative sample of the whole population can be
statistically significant.
Do you have evidence that the sample pop was chosen properly?
The respondents were anonymous. How do you propose they publish the user sample?
———-
Methodology
To collect the data for this survey, our team at All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 U.S. adults in July 2024 via Pollfish. All respondents were U.S. citizens over the age of 18 and remained anonymous.
https://allaboutcookies.org/apple-vs-android
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
This isn't a scientific study. It's a survey. The website used a
professional outfit called pollfish.
https://www.pollfish.com/
Exactly. This is the point no one seems to understand. And it was an anonymous survey.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 10:22, Chris wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
No. That's not how the burden of proof works. The person (or in this
case, the website) making the claim is responsible for proving their
methodology is sound. And absent of that proof, the rest of us are
completely within our right to disregard it as baseless. This really
shouldn't need to be explained to educated adults, but here we are.
You've completely misapplied burden of proof.
This isn't an unsubstantiated claim where burden of proof would apply.
There is proof/evidence here: the result of the survey.
You are welcome to disagree with it, but if you want to make an
unsubstantiated claim that it is meaningless the onus is now on you.
The burden is with the survey "maker" to publish method, selection, etc.
for peer review.
This isn't a scientific study. It's a survey. The website used a
professional outfit called pollfish.
https://www.pollfish.com/
I don't know them, but on balance I trust them more than JR's random anecdotes or poor maths skills.
On 11/10/2024 at 22:14, J÷rg Lorenz wrote:
On 11.10.24 21:11, Chris wrote:
Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), and >>>>> you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is significant? >>>>> Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes into 2.5 billion? >>>>If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part), results >>>> from a small but representative sample of the whole population can be
statistically significant. So just because someone has no background in >>>> statistics is a not a reason to necessarily doubt the premise.
Correct.
No. It is not correct by any means.
I still lack the proof that the sample is relevant.
That's my point. We have to be persuaded that the sample was properly chosen. Beyond that, the relatively small sample size does not in
itself invalidate the significance of the results.
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into some depth to try and find flaws. Of which, most are open to interpretation and none
are unique to this org.
Why so desperate to find flaws when wanting to end the discussion? Simply
not responding would be easier.
The article says exactly that!
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults in July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Among the iPhone users surveyed in the study, nearly a quarter — 22 percent — admit that they look down on users that send "non-iMessage texts" (e.g., Android users). However, 78 percent of iPhone-owning participants say they don't feel superior to green-bubble senders.
That's my point. We have to be persuaded that the sample was properlyThe results are only valid for the 1000 people they bothered to survey. Claiming anything above that is pure nonsense and at best simply a very
chosen. Beyond that, the relatively small sample size does not in
itself invalidate the significance of the results.
rough guesstimate.
Such surveys should always specifically say something like "40% of the
people surveyed" ...NOT EVER simply "40% of people", because
that's where the novice general public then confuses it with being
reality for everyone, when it is not.
On 12/10/2024 at 01:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-10-11, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:Indeed so - I've made my point that I know nothing about how the
On 2024-10-11 05:51, Wilf wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024),
and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000
goes into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part),
results from a small but representative sample of the whole
population can be statistically significant.
Do you have evidence that the sample pop was chosen properly?
He does not. If that were known, we wouldn't be having this
conversation.
sample was chosen - it might be good, it might be bad. My point,
again, is that the small sample size does not in itself invalidate the result.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 10:22, Chris wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
No. That's not how the burden of proof works. The person (or in this
case, the website) making the claim is responsible for proving their
methodology is sound. And absent of that proof, the rest of us are
completely within our right to disregard it as baseless. This really
shouldn't need to be explained to educated adults, but here we are.
You've completely misapplied burden of proof.
This isn't an unsubstantiated claim where burden of proof would apply.
There is proof/evidence here: the result of the survey.
You are welcome to disagree with it, but if you want to make an
unsubstantiated claim that it is meaningless the onus is now on you.
The burden is with the survey "maker" to publish method, selection, etc.
for peer review.
This isn't a scientific study. It's a survey.
The website used a professional outfit called pollfish. https://www.pollfish.com/
I don't know them, but on balance I trust them
more than JR's random anecdotes or poor maths skills.
If such does not come forth, then the survey is useless as presented for
the purpose presented and the audience here.
Can we abandon this subject please?
We can...
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-11, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 10.10.24 08:25, Chris wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-09 14:30:27 +0000, badgolferman said:
<snip>
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep
tensions between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be
imagining it. According to a new survey conducted by All About
Cookies, some iPhone users "think less" of others represented as >>>>>>> a green bubble while texting, which often depicts Android users. >>>>>>>
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered
switching to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that
it's a better device, but because they've felt pressured or
ridiculed into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous
adults in July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Wow! A whole 1000 ... what's that, 0.000000000000001% of users?
What a cmoplete waste of time and money. There's absolutely
nothing actually meaningful nor useful in that survey "result".
:-\
You've no idea how surveying works. If done correctly 1-2 thousand
ppl is a good sized survey.
No it isn't. Statistically it is totally irrelevant. The
interpretation of these low quality results is simply impossible
because the structure of the chosen sample is unknown (Age, gender,
income, regional aspects etc etc.).
Hence why I said "if done correctly". You don't have evidence that
the sampling was done incorrectly.
No. That's not how the burden of proof works. The person (or in this
case, the website) making the claim is responsible for proving their
methodology is sound. And absent of that proof, the rest of us are
completely within our right to disregard it as baseless. This really
shouldn't need to be explained to educated adults, but here we are.
You've completely misapplied burden of proof.
This isn't an unsubstantiated claim where burden of proof would apply.
There is proof/evidence here: the result of the survey.
if you want to make an unsubstantiated claim
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
This isn't a scientific study. It's a survey. The website used a
professional outfit called pollfish.
https://www.pollfish.com/
Exactly. This is the point no one seems to understand. And it was an anonymous survey.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:You brought it up. Why? I have no idea.
This isn't a scientific study. It's a survey. The website used a
professional outfit called pollfish.
https://www.pollfish.com/
Exactly. This is the point no one seems to understand. And it was an
anonymous survey.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-11, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-10, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-09 14:30:27 +0000, badgolferman said:
<snip>
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep
tensions between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be
imagining it. According to a new survey conducted by All About
Cookies, some iPhone users "think less" of others represented as >>>>>>> a green bubble while texting, which often depicts Android users. >>>>>>>
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered
switching to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that
it's a better device, but because they've felt pressured or
ridiculed into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous
adults in July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Wow! A whole 1000 ... what's that, 0.000000000000001% of users?
What a cmoplete waste of time and money. There's absolutely
nothing actually meaningful nor useful in that survey "result".
:-\
You've no idea how surveying works. If done correctly 1-2 thousand
ppl is a good sized survey.
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024),
and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes
into 2.5 billion?
You're doing a numerical comparison not a statistical one.
A meaningless distinction since we know nothing at all about the
methodology used in this survey.
It's not meaningless.
On 2024-10-12 18:24, Chris wrote:
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into some depth >> to try and find flaws. Of which, most are open to interpretation and none
are unique to this org.
Why so desperate to find flaws when wanting to end the discussion? Simply
not responding would be easier.
Can't argue with you on that, other than the "depth" of my flaw search.
This whole subject was patently flawed from its troll induced beginning, however.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 13:34, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 10:22, Chris wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
No. That's not how the burden of proof works. The person (or in this >>>>>> case, the website) making the claim is responsible for proving their >>>>>> methodology is sound. And absent of that proof, the rest of us are >>>>>> completely within our right to disregard it as baseless. This really >>>>>> shouldn't need to be explained to educated adults, but here we are. >>>>>>
You've completely misapplied burden of proof.
This isn't an unsubstantiated claim where burden of proof would apply. >>>>> There is proof/evidence here: the result of the survey.
You are welcome to disagree with it, but if you want to make an
unsubstantiated claim that it is meaningless the onus is now on you.
The burden is with the survey "maker" to publish method, selection, etc. >>>> for peer review.
This isn't a scientific study. It's a survey. The website used a
professional outfit called pollfish.
https://www.pollfish.com/
I don't know them, but on balance I trust them more than JR's random
anecdotes or poor maths skills.
A little research into them indicates they are not so much
"professional" pollsters, but a monetization and personal data gathering
platform owned by online marketing co. Prodege.
Amongst complaints is they run "pay the pollee" programs where the
person responding to the poll is paid for completing a set of questions.
However, there is a "quality gate" that measures how long you take per
answer to throw out people who are "too fast". Many people complain of
getting to the end (pollfish get the data) and then the people are
thrown out under an excuse ("too fast!").
Pollfish still get:
- data (survey)
- identifying data (the pollee) to monetize elsewhere.
- client money (who wants the survey done).
Of course clients looking for a desired outcome usually influence how
the questions are formulated, what the questions are (and aren't).
IOW - not a polling organization so much as a money grab.
Paying people to respond to a poll already indicates a skewed poll pool.
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into some depth to try and find flaws.
Why so desperate to find flaws
Simply not responding would be easier.
On 2024-10-12, Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
On 12/10/2024 at 01:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-10-11, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:Indeed so - I've made my point that I know nothing about how the
On 2024-10-11 05:51, Wilf wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), >>>>>> and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000
goes into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part),
results from a small but representative sample of the whole
population can be statistically significant.
Do you have evidence that the sample pop was chosen properly?
He does not. If that were known, we wouldn't be having this
conversation.
sample was chosen - it might be good, it might be bad. My point,
again, is that the small sample size does not in itself invalidate the
result.
Right. It's all of the other unknowns that invalidate them.
On 12/10/2024 at 22:44, Your Name wrote:
That's my point. We have to be persuaded that the sample was properly
chosen. Beyond that, the relatively small sample size does not in
itself invalidate the significance of the results.
The results are only valid for the 1000 people they bothered to survey.
Claiming anything above that is pure nonsense and at best simply a very
rough guesstimate.
Such surveys should always specifically say something like "40% of the
people surveyed" ...NOT EVER simply "40% of people", because
that's where the novice general public then confuses it with being
reality for everyone, when it is not.
Evidently you have not studied statistics.
You're simply regretting your decision to join it.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 13:34, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 10:22, Chris wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:The burden is with the survey "maker" to publish method, selection, etc. >>>>>> for peer review.
No. That's not how the burden of proof works. The person (or in this >>>>>>>> case, the website) making the claim is responsible for proving their >>>>>>>> methodology is sound. And absent of that proof, the rest of us are >>>>>>>> completely within our right to disregard it as baseless. This really >>>>>>>> shouldn't need to be explained to educated adults, but here we are. >>>>>>>You've completely misapplied burden of proof.
This isn't an unsubstantiated claim where burden of proof would apply. >>>>>>> There is proof/evidence here: the result of the survey.
You are welcome to disagree with it, but if you want to make an
unsubstantiated claim that it is meaningless the onus is now on you. >>>>>>
This isn't a scientific study. It's a survey. The website used a
professional outfit called pollfish.
https://www.pollfish.com/
I don't know them, but on balance I trust them more than JR's random >>>>> anecdotes or poor maths skills.
A little research into them indicates they are not so much
"professional" pollsters, but a monetization and personal data gathering >>>> platform owned by online marketing co. Prodege.
Amongst complaints is they run "pay the pollee" programs where the
person responding to the poll is paid for completing a set of questions. >>>> However, there is a "quality gate" that measures how long you take per >>>> answer to throw out people who are "too fast". Many people complain of >>>> getting to the end (pollfish get the data) and then the people are
thrown out under an excuse ("too fast!").
Pollfish still get:
- data (survey)
- identifying data (the pollee) to monetize elsewhere.
- client money (who wants the survey done).
Of course clients looking for a desired outcome usually influence how
the questions are formulated, what the questions are (and aren't).
IOW - not a polling organization so much as a money grab.
Paying people to respond to a poll already indicates a skewed poll pool. >>>>
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into some depth >>> to try and find flaws.
Whereas you have stated you blindly trust their results without question.
I have literally stated the opposite.
Why so desperate to find flaws
Why so desperate to push low-quality information?
Again, I don't care about the actual result. It's the low-quality attempts
to rebut the OP is what I care about.
Despite being on this for days none of you has got anything better than
"dis numba small" vs "dis numba big" as an argument against the OP.
On 2024-10-13 14:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-10-13, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 18:24, Chris wrote:
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into some depth
to try and find flaws. Of which, most are open to interpretation and none >>>> are unique to this org.
Why so desperate to find flaws when wanting to end the discussion? Simply >>>> not responding would be easier.
Can't argue with you on that, other than the "depth" of my flaw search.
This whole subject was patently flawed from its troll induced beginning, >>> however.
And as usual, it's the people scrutinizing the troll who are being
disparaged. It's like clockwork. The bullied get punished for standing
up to the bullies. 🤣
The troll in question is too weak to be categorized "bully". He's
really just the little dog wagging its tail for approval from the big dog.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-13 14:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-10-13, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 18:24, Chris wrote:
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into some depth
to try and find flaws. Of which, most are open to interpretation and none >>>>> are unique to this org.
Why so desperate to find flaws when wanting to end the discussion? Simply >>>>> not responding would be easier.
Can't argue with you on that, other than the "depth" of my flaw search. >>>>
This whole subject was patently flawed from its troll induced beginning, >>>> however.
And as usual, it's the people scrutinizing the troll who are being
disparaged. It's like clockwork. The bullied get punished for standing
up to the bullies. 🤣
The troll in question is too weak to be categorized "bully". He's
really just the little dog wagging its tail for approval from the big dog.
Thank you for demonstrating very nicely the snootiness of the type of
iPhone users which this survey highlighted.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-11, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-10, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-09 14:30:27 +0000, badgolferman said:
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep >>>>>>>>> tensions between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be
imagining it. According to a new survey conducted by All About >>>>>>>>> Cookies, some iPhone users "think less" of others represented as >>>>>>>>> a green bubble while texting, which often depicts Android users. >>>>>>>>>
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered >>>>>>>>> switching to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that >>>>>>>>> it's a better device, but because they've felt pressured or
ridiculed into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous
adults in July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool. >>>>>>>> <snip>
Wow! A whole 1000 ... what's that, 0.000000000000001% of users? >>>>>>>> What a cmoplete waste of time and money. There's absolutely
nothing actually meaningful nor useful in that survey "result". >>>>>>>> :-\
You've no idea how surveying works. If done correctly 1-2 thousand >>>>>>> ppl is a good sized survey.
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), >>>>>> and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes >>>>>> into 2.5 billion?
You're doing a numerical comparison not a statistical one.
A meaningless distinction since we know nothing at all about the
methodology used in this survey.
It's not meaningless.
This entire thread is meaningless.
You're simply regretting your decision to join it.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-13, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 18:24, Chris wrote:
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into
some depth to try and find flaws. Of which, most are open to
interpretation and none are unique to this org.
Why so desperate to find flaws when wanting to end the discussion?
Simply not responding would be easier.
Can't argue with you on that, other than the "depth" of my flaw
search.
This whole subject was patently flawed from its troll induced
beginning, however.
And as usual, it's the people scrutinizing
There's been no scrutiny. It's all been knee-jerk reactions from an entrenched position.
the troll who are being disparaged. It's like clockwork. The bullied
get punished for standing up to the bullies. 🤣
Playing the victim is a new low for you...
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 13:34, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 10:22, Chris wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:The burden is with the survey "maker" to publish method, selection, etc. >>>>>> for peer review.
No. That's not how the burden of proof works. The person (or in this >>>>>>>> case, the website) making the claim is responsible for proving their >>>>>>>> methodology is sound. And absent of that proof, the rest of us are >>>>>>>> completely within our right to disregard it as baseless. This really >>>>>>>> shouldn't need to be explained to educated adults, but here we are. >>>>>>>>
You've completely misapplied burden of proof.
This isn't an unsubstantiated claim where burden of proof would apply. >>>>>>> There is proof/evidence here: the result of the survey.
You are welcome to disagree with it, but if you want to make an
unsubstantiated claim that it is meaningless the onus is now on you. >>>>>>
This isn't a scientific study. It's a survey. The website used a
professional outfit called pollfish.
https://www.pollfish.com/
I don't know them, but on balance I trust them more than JR's random >>>>> anecdotes or poor maths skills.
A little research into them indicates they are not so much
"professional" pollsters, but a monetization and personal data gathering >>>> platform owned by online marketing co. Prodege.
Amongst complaints is they run "pay the pollee" programs where the
person responding to the poll is paid for completing a set of questions. >>>> However, there is a "quality gate" that measures how long you take per >>>> answer to throw out people who are "too fast". Many people complain of >>>> getting to the end (pollfish get the data) and then the people are
thrown out under an excuse ("too fast!").
Pollfish still get:
- data (survey)
- identifying data (the pollee) to monetize elsewhere.
- client money (who wants the survey done).
Of course clients looking for a desired outcome usually influence how
the questions are formulated, what the questions are (and aren't).
IOW - not a polling organization so much as a money grab.
Paying people to respond to a poll already indicates a skewed poll pool. >>>>
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into some depth >>> to try and find flaws.
Whereas you have stated you blindly trust their results without question.
I have literally stated the opposite.
Why so desperate to find flaws
Why so desperate to push low-quality information?
Again, I don't care about the actual result. It's the low-quality attempts
to rebut the OP is what I care about.
Despite being on this for days none of you has got anything better than
"dis numba small" vs "dis numba big" as an argument against the OP.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-14 09:20, Chris wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:I have literally stated the opposite.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 13:34, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 10:22, Chris wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:The burden is with the survey "maker" to publish method, selection, etc.
No. That's not how the burden of proof works. The person (or in this >>>>>>>>>> case, the website) making the claim is responsible for proving their >>>>>>>>>> methodology is sound. And absent of that proof, the rest of us are >>>>>>>>>> completely within our right to disregard it as baseless. This really >>>>>>>>>> shouldn't need to be explained to educated adults, but here we are. >>>>>>>>>>
You've completely misapplied burden of proof.
This isn't an unsubstantiated claim where burden of proof would apply.
There is proof/evidence here: the result of the survey.
You are welcome to disagree with it, but if you want to make an >>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated claim that it is meaningless the onus is now on you. >>>>>>>>
for peer review.
This isn't a scientific study. It's a survey. The website used a >>>>>>> professional outfit called pollfish.
https://www.pollfish.com/
I don't know them, but on balance I trust them more than JR's random >>>>>>> anecdotes or poor maths skills.
A little research into them indicates they are not so much
"professional" pollsters, but a monetization and personal data gathering >>>>>> platform owned by online marketing co. Prodege.
Amongst complaints is they run "pay the pollee" programs where the >>>>>> person responding to the poll is paid for completing a set of questions. >>>>>> However, there is a "quality gate" that measures how long you take per >>>>>> answer to throw out people who are "too fast". Many people complain of >>>>>> getting to the end (pollfish get the data) and then the people are >>>>>> thrown out under an excuse ("too fast!").
Pollfish still get:
- data (survey)
- identifying data (the pollee) to monetize elsewhere.
- client money (who wants the survey done).
Of course clients looking for a desired outcome usually influence how >>>>>> the questions are formulated, what the questions are (and aren't). >>>>>>
IOW - not a polling organization so much as a money grab.
Paying people to respond to a poll already indicates a skewed poll pool. >>>>>>
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into some depth
to try and find flaws.
Whereas you have stated you blindly trust their results without question. >>>
Why so desperate to find flaws
Why so desperate to push low-quality information?
Again, I don't care about the actual result. It's the low-quality attempts >>> to rebut the OP is what I care about.
The OP is a proven troll enabler/supporter in its primary roll and low
level troll in its secondary roll.
I don't think he is. From where I'm sitting JR and JL are the trolls.
Why do you respond to a "proven troll", if that's what you genuinely
believe?
Despite being on this for days none of you has got anything better than
"dis numba small" vs "dis numba big" as an argument against the OP.
So despite it turning into a hash, you're fanning the flames?
I'm not encouraging anyone. If people aren't willing to defend their assertions without making it personal, then I'm not the issue the here.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-14, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-13, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-12 18:24, Chris wrote:
For someone wishing to end the discussion you've gone quite into
some depth to try and find flaws. Of which, most are open to
interpretation and none are unique to this org.
Why so desperate to find flaws when wanting to end the discussion? >>>>>> Simply not responding would be easier.
Can't argue with you on that, other than the "depth" of my flaw
search.
This whole subject was patently flawed from its troll induced
beginning, however.
And as usual, it's the people scrutinizing
There's been no scrutiny. It's all been knee-jerk reactions from an
entrenched position.
That's a lie. Expecting to know more about the poll than the pollsters
divulged isn't a knee-jerk reaction,
It is when you're only interested because you don't like the result.
Chris wrote:
The OP is a proven troll enabler/supporter in its primary roll and
low level troll in its secondary roll.
I don't think he is. From where I'm sitting JR and JL are the trolls.
Why do you respond to a "proven troll", if that's what you genuinely >>believe?
Now you've down it! You've sided with Jolly Roger's "proven troll" so
that automatically makes you a "proven troll" to Jolly Roger now.
It's about time others started calling out Jolly Roger for his baseless assertions, personal attacks, and lying manipulation of what others
say. The very idea that I am a bully is quite laughable. If you want
to see a bully in action just watch Jolly Roger.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-14, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Despite being on this for days none of you has got anything better than
"dis numba small" vs "dis numba big" as an argument against the OP.
Now you're just outright lying. Various other aspects of this poll have
been discussed including the fact that the methodology isn't stated, nor
how participants were selected, and the fact that the polling company
actually pays participants.
You're just asking baseless questions.
No lies here.
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep tensions
between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be imagining it.
According to a new survey conducted by All About Cookies, some iPhone
users "think less" of others represented as a green bubble while
texting, which often depicts Android users.
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered switching
to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that it's a better
device, but because they've felt pressured or ridiculed into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults in
July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Among the iPhone users surveyed in the study, nearly a quarter — 22
percent — admit that they look down on users that send "non-iMessage
texts" (e.g., Android users). However, 78 percent of iPhone-owning participants say they don't feel superior to green-bubble senders.
Interestingly, 23 percent of iPhone users get turned off when they
discover that a potential love interest comes up as a green bubble in
their first text conversation, calling it a "dealbreaker."
The survey looked at how male and female participants differed in their responses. One question asked, "Would it be a dealbreaker for someone
you were interested in to use a non-Apple phone?" Thirty-one percent of
men said yes; 16 percent of women said the same.
The survey discovered that 52 percent of Android users were "made fun
of at some point" by iPhone users for their mobile device; 36 percent
said they were "negatively judged." Twenty-six percent confessed to
feeling embarrassed about their Android device.
Additionally, 30 percent of Android users considered switching due to
peer pressure, the survey revealed.
While there’s some friction between Android and iPhone users, the
survey found that both camps are seek equal footing by exploring more seamless messaging platforms (e.g., WhatsApp).
Forty-two percent said yes when asked, "Have you ever switched to a third-party messaging app to accommodate non-iOS users?"
While Apple hasn't shown any indication that it will drop the green
bubbles any time soon, the Cupertino-based tech giant now supports RCS messaging (also known as Rich Communication Services) in Messages with
the launch of iOS 18.
Without RCS Messaging support, Android and iPhone users experienced
some foibles while messaging each other. For example, videos and
pictures appeared blurry and low-quality due to heavy media
compression. Plus, there are no read receipts nor typing indicators.
However, as mentioned, that is now changing with iOS 18.
Expect higher-quality media sharing and other modern messaging features between iPhone and Android users, thanks to iOS 18. The only thing that
won't be featured with iPhone-supported RCS is end-to-end encryption,
though the GSM Association (Global System for Mobile Communications),
which is at the helm of the RCS standard, is working to bring
end-to-end encryption to both mobile operating systems.
https://mashable.com/article/iphone-users-think-less-of-android-users-green-bubbles
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep tensions
between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be imagining it.
According to a new survey conducted by All About Cookies, some iPhone
users "think less" of others represented as a green bubble while
texting, which often depicts Android users.
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered switching
to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that it's a better
device, but because they've felt pressured or ridiculed into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults in
July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Among the iPhone users surveyed in the study, nearly a quarter — 22
percent — admit that they look down on users that send "non-iMessage
texts" (e.g., Android users). However, 78 percent of iPhone-owning participants say they don't feel superior to green-bubble senders.
Interestingly, 23 percent of iPhone users get turned off when they
discover that a potential love interest comes up as a green bubble in
their first text conversation, calling it a "dealbreaker."
The survey looked at how male and female participants differed in their responses. One question asked, "Would it be a dealbreaker for someone
you were interested in to use a non-Apple phone?" Thirty-one percent of
men said yes; 16 percent of women said the same.
The survey discovered that 52 percent of Android users were "made fun
of at some point" by iPhone users for their mobile device; 36 percent
said they were "negatively judged." Twenty-six percent confessed to
feeling embarrassed about their Android device.
Additionally, 30 percent of Android users considered switching due to
peer pressure, the survey revealed.
While there’s some friction between Android and iPhone users, the
survey found that both camps are seek equal footing by exploring more seamless messaging platforms (e.g., WhatsApp).
Forty-two percent said yes when asked, "Have you ever switched to a third-party messaging app to accommodate non-iOS users?"
While Apple hasn't shown any indication that it will drop the green
bubbles any time soon, the Cupertino-based tech giant now supports RCS messaging (also known as Rich Communication Services) in Messages with
the launch of iOS 18.
Without RCS Messaging support, Android and iPhone users experienced
some foibles while messaging each other. For example, videos and
pictures appeared blurry and low-quality due to heavy media
compression. Plus, there are no read receipts nor typing indicators.
However, as mentioned, that is now changing with iOS 18.
Expect higher-quality media sharing and other modern messaging features between iPhone and Android users, thanks to iOS 18. The only thing that
won't be featured with iPhone-supported RCS is end-to-end encryption,
though the GSM Association (Global System for Mobile Communications),
which is at the helm of the RCS standard, is working to bring
end-to-end encryption to both mobile operating systems.
https://mashable.com/article/iphone-users-think-less-of-android-users-green-bubbles
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep tensions<snip>
between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be imagining it.
According to a new survey conducted by All About Cookies, some iPhone
users "think less" of others represented as a green bubble while
texting, which often depicts Android users.
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered switching
to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that it's a better
device, but because they've felt pressured or ridiculed into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults in
July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
On 09/10/2024 at 15:30, badgolferman wrote:
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep tensions
between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be imagining it.
According to a new survey conducted by All About Cookies, some iPhone
users "think less" of others represented as a green bubble while
texting, which often depicts Android users.
How ridiculous. I enjoy my iPhone but don't understand why someone
might feel superior to another just because they can or cannot use
iMessage. Sheesh!
On 2024-10-09, Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
On 09/10/2024 at 15:30, badgolferman wrote:
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep tensions
between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be imagining it.
According to a new survey conducted by All About Cookies, some iPhone
users "think less" of others represented as a green bubble while
texting, which often depicts Android users.
How ridiculous. I enjoy my iPhone but don't understand why someone
might feel superior to another just because they can or cannot use
iMessage. Sheesh!
I wouldn't consider it to be representative of all or even most iPhone
users. The survey was of 1000 U.S. adults, some questions were limited
to only iPhone / Android users, and they don't say anything about how
those people were selected.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-09 14:30:27 +0000, badgolferman said:
<snip>
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep tensions
between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be imagining it.
According to a new survey conducted by All About Cookies, some iPhone
users "think less" of others represented as a green bubble while
texting, which often depicts Android users.
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered switching
to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that it's a better
device, but because they've felt pressured or ridiculed into making the
change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults in
July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Wow! A whole 1000 ... what's that, 0.000000000000001% of users? What a
cmoplete waste of time and money. There's absolutely nothing actually
meaningful nor useful in that survey "result". :-\
You've no idea how surveying works. If done correctly 1-2 thousand ppl is a good sized survey.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-09 14:30:27 +0000, badgolferman said:
<snip>
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep
tensions between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be imagining
it. According to a new survey conducted by All About Cookies, some
iPhone users "think less" of others represented as a green bubble
while texting, which often depicts Android users.
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered
switching to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that it's
a better device, but because they've felt pressured or ridiculed
into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults in
July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Wow! A whole 1000 ... what's that, 0.000000000000001% of users? What
a cmoplete waste of time and money. There's absolutely nothing
actually meaningful nor useful in that survey "result". :-\
You've no idea how surveying works. If done correctly 1-2 thousand ppl
is a good sized survey.
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), and
you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is significant?
Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes into 2.5 billion?
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024),
and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes
into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part),
results from a small but representative sample of the whole population
can be statistically significant. So just because someone has no
background in statistics is a not a reason to necessarily doubt the
premise.
Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), and
you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is significant?
Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part), results
from a small but representative sample of the whole population can be
statistically significant. So just because someone has no background in
statistics is a not a reason to necessarily doubt the premise.
Correct.
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 10.10.24 08:25, Chris wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-09 14:30:27 +0000, badgolferman said:
<snip>
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep tensions >>>>> between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be imagining it.
According to a new survey conducted by All About Cookies, some iPhone >>>>> users "think less" of others represented as a green bubble while
texting, which often depicts Android users.
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered switching >>>>> to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that it's a better
device, but because they've felt pressured or ridiculed into making the >>>>> change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults in >>>>> July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Wow! A whole 1000 ... what's that, 0.000000000000001% of users? What a >>>> cmoplete waste of time and money. There's absolutely nothing actually
meaningful nor useful in that survey "result". :-\
You've no idea how surveying works. If done correctly 1-2 thousand ppl is a >>> good sized survey.
No it isn't. Statistically it is totally irrelevant.
The interpretation of these low quality results is simply impossible
because the structure of the chosen sample is unknown (Age, gender,
income, regional aspects etc etc.).
Hence why I said "if done correctly". You don't have evidence that the sampling was done incorrectly. So you calling them "low quality" is simply
a reflection of your own bias.
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), and
you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is significant?
Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part),
results from a small but representative sample of the whole population
can be statistically significant. So just because someone has no
background in statistics is a not a reason to necessarily doubt the
premise.
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024), and
you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is significant?
Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part), results
from a small but representative sample of the whole population can be statistically significant.
On 2024-10-11 05:51, Wilf wrote:
On 10/10/2024 at 17:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024),
and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes
into 2.5 billion?
If the sample is chosen properly (and that's the critical part),
results from a small but representative sample of the whole
population can be statistically significant.
Do you have evidence that the sample pop was chosen properly?
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 10.10.24 08:25, Chris wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-09 14:30:27 +0000, badgolferman said:
<snip>
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep
tensions between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be
imagining it. According to a new survey conducted by All About
Cookies, some iPhone users "think less" of others represented as a
green bubble while texting, which often depicts Android users.
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered
switching to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that
it's a better device, but because they've felt pressured or
ridiculed into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults
in July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Wow! A whole 1000 ... what's that, 0.000000000000001% of users?
What a cmoplete waste of time and money. There's absolutely nothing
actually meaningful nor useful in that survey "result". :-\
You've no idea how surveying works. If done correctly 1-2 thousand
ppl is a good sized survey.
No it isn't. Statistically it is totally irrelevant. The
interpretation of these low quality results is simply impossible
because the structure of the chosen sample is unknown (Age, gender,
income, regional aspects etc etc.).
Hence why I said "if done correctly". You don't have evidence that the sampling was done incorrectly.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-10, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-10-09 14:30:27 +0000, badgolferman said:
<snip>
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep
tensions between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be
imagining it. According to a new survey conducted by All About
Cookies, some iPhone users "think less" of others represented as a
green bubble while texting, which often depicts Android users.
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered
switching to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that
it's a better device, but because they've felt pressured or
ridiculed into making the change.
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults
in July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.
Wow! A whole 1000 ... what's that, 0.000000000000001% of users?
What a cmoplete waste of time and money. There's absolutely nothing
actually meaningful nor useful in that survey "result". :-\
You've no idea how surveying works. If done correctly 1-2 thousand
ppl is a good sized survey.
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024),
and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant? Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes
into 2.5 billion?
You're doing a numerical comparison not a statistical one.
Population samples which are tiny fractions of the whole can be very reliable. There is a whole scientific field of statistical sampling.
The article also tells nothing about how these people were selected
or approached for questioning - but you're certain the outcome is
relevant?
I explicitly said I wasn't certain. Note the "if".
You, however, are certain they are not relevant based on literally no evidence other than dumb maths.
Do you work for a circus, by chance?
I know many people who use iPhones. I don't know any of them who
think less of anyone simply due to what kind of phone they happen to
use.
Lol. You are literally arguing that your tiny n of a highly biased set
is more significant than when n = 1000 in a formal survey. jfc.
And while I realize this is anecdotal, I find it hard to believe
Well done for revealing your internal bias.
a significant number of iPhone users even care about such a trivial
thing. This whole thing smacks of anti-intellectual tribalism (aka
zealotry) being pushed by trolls.
The only evidence of "anti-intellectual tribalism" is coming from you.