• Re: If you own an iPhone X or older - you should throw it over the next

    From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Jul 28 16:27:43 2024
    On 2024-07-28, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    I have an iPhone 14 and the battery health is already down to 87%.

    Battery degradation isn't linear. That battery could stay at ~87% for a
    long time or not. Due to fluctuations in the mass production
    manufacturing process and differences in environmental factors and usage patterns, some batteries age faster than others.

    How many times would someone have to change a battery in an iPhone X
    to keep it running this long?

    Once or twice. My wife's parents are still using the iPhone X we gifted them after replacing the battery.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sun Jul 28 18:50:55 2024
    On 2024-07-28, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 28 Jul 2024 16:27:43 GMT :

    How many times would someone have to change a battery in an iPhone X
    to keep it running this long?

    Once or twice. My wife's parents are still using the iPhone X we
    gifted them after replacing the battery.

    Given no smartphone is more exploited than the iPhone is, and given
    that the iPhone has two to three times the number of zero-days as
    Android, maybe you should follow Tim Cook's advice and get your mom an Android phone. :)

    *YAWN* Your trolls are just boring. You don't seem to have an original
    bone in your body.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Jul 29 10:54:10 2024
    On 2024-07-28 18:37:43 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Andrew wrote:

    Just as Windows XP and Android 4.4 devices are regularly updated,
    the only safe thing do to with any of them (Windows XP or Android
    older than Android 10, including an iPhone X or older) is to
    throw it over the next bridge.

    At work we continue to maintain a Windows XP computer because the
    specialized software for our simulators only works with that
    version of Windows. The IT department doesn't like it, however
    it's not connected to the internet so we have a waiver and remain
    safe.

    I get your point that even an old Windows XP, which isn't updated all
    that often nowadays, can be as useful as an iPhone that can't install
    iOS 18.

    Actually that was not my point at all. I was just commenting on how
    useful Windows XP can be far beyond its supported life cycle.

    There's nothing wrong with old tech that still does what you need it
    to. I used my old G3 PowerMac as a "daily driver" for about 20 years
    before it broke. My car is 30 years old. There is a silly craze for
    constantly updating things that do not actually *need* to be updated -
    it's simpy a "must have the latest toy" stupidity that seems to be
    built into too many people.

    I don't know if they still are, but in 2015 it was reported that a
    group of 19 schools in America were still using a Commodore Amiga
    computer to run their air-con system. <https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/theres-30-year-old-commodore-amiga-still-controlling-heat-ac-19-public-schools/>


    Around that same time, "The GAO report said that U.S. government
    departments spend upwards of $60 billion a year on operating and
    maintaining out-of-date technologies - three times the investment on
    modern IT systems.”

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Jul 29 11:43:27 2024
    Your Name wrote on Mon, 29 Jul 2024 10:54:10 +1200 :

    There's nothing wrong with old tech that still does what you need it
    to.

    While I agree with both badgolferman and Your Name on the fact that there's nothing wrong with old technology, what people like Chris and Jolly Roger
    have been erroneously claiming is that the old tech is fully supported.

    That's the point of this thread:
    *If you own a phone older than an iPhone X, it's no longer supported*

    Just like Windows XP is no longer supported.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon Jul 29 15:27:03 2024
    On 2024-07-29, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Your Name wrote on Mon, 29 Jul 2024 10:54:10 +1200 :

    There's nothing wrong with old tech that still does what you need it
    to.

    what people like Chris and Jolly Roger have been erroneously claiming
    is that the old tech is fully supported.

    Note: Neither Chris nor I have said that. Arlen is once again lying.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Jul 29 17:12:36 2024
    Jolly Roger wrote on 29 Jul 2024 15:27:03 GMT :

    There's nothing wrong with old tech that still does what you need it
    to.

    what people like Chris and Jolly Roger have been erroneously claiming
    is that the old tech is fully supported.

    Note: Neither Chris nor I have said that

    You have to admit, I was the one who informed this newsgroup of the
    published fact that Apple was forced to admit they only support 1 release.
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

    Without me, you'd never know the iPhone is the most exploited smartphone.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    You would all be clueless about the many iPhone zero days due to the
    shockingly inept to the point of almost total lack of testing of iOS.
    <https://cyberscoop.com/iphone-hack-google-project-zero/>

    How else would you find out that Google proved Apple has never even once
    tested huge portions of iOS code that can't possibly ever have been tested.
    <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jul 29 17:20:03 2024
    Chris wrote on Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:12:58 -0000 (UTC) :

    The title of your OP is literally "you should throw it over the next bridge". Apart from the environmental damage that would cause, your
    inability to keep on-topic even for your *own thread* is laughable.

    Hi Chris,

    You're not supposed to take it literally. It's called metaphor. Look it up.
    <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphor>

    Just like Windows XP is no longer supported.

    Not at all "like".

    An operating system is either fully supported, or it's not.

    WinXP EOL was in 2014. In 2017 it received an exceptional update to deal
    with the global WannaCry exploit and another in 2019 to patch a similar vulnerability.

    Once iOS 18 is officially released, the iPhone X joins Windows XP.

    How's that the same as the "unsupported" iOS 16 receiving regular updates
    in the last year alone?

    When iOS 18 releases, if you own an iPhone X or older - you should throw it over the next bridge because it is no longer fully supported much line
    Windows XP is.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Jul 29 11:48:21 2024
    On 2024-07-28 11:37, badgolferman wrote:
    Andrew wrote:

    Just as Windows XP and Android 4.4 devices are regularly updated,
    the only safe thing do to with any of them (Windows XP or Android
    older than Android 10, including an iPhone X or older) is to
    throw it over the next bridge.

    At work we continue to maintain a Windows XP computer because the
    specialized software for our simulators only works with that
    version of Windows. The IT department doesn't like it, however
    it's not connected to the internet so we have a waiver and remain
    safe.


    I get your point that even an old Windows XP, which isn't updated all
    that often nowadays, can be as useful as an iPhone that can't install
    iOS 18.


    Actually that was not my point at all. I was just commenting on how
    useful Windows XP can be far beyond its supported life cycle.

    Are you getting it yet?

    Arlen/Andrew conflates earlier iOS versions maybe not getting every
    update with them being the same as XP which last received an update more
    than 5 YEARS ago.

    He is dishonest to the core and not bright to realize that almost
    everyone sees through his dissembling.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon Jul 29 11:49:25 2024
    On 2024-07-29 10:12, Andrew wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 29 Jul 2024 15:27:03 GMT :

    There's nothing wrong with old tech that still does what you need it
    to.

    what people like Chris and Jolly Roger have been erroneously claiming
    is that the old tech is fully supported.

    Note: Neither Chris nor I have said that

    You have to admit, I was the one who informed this newsgroup of the
    published fact that Apple was forced to admit they only support 1 release.
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

    You hide a falsehood inside the truth that you reported something.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Jul 30 23:47:24 2024
    Chris wrote on Tue, 30 Jul 2024 21:45:56 -0000 (UTC) :

    You're not supposed to take it literally. It's called metaphor. Look it up. >> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphor>

    The point is that you're agreeing with two opposite positions. You claim
    that come september the iphone X is effectively junk and should be thrown away, whilst at the same time agreeing with badgolferman that old tech is useful. So which is it: junk or useful?

    I'm simply making the point with eloquence that those who write on this newsgroup how "safe" the iPhone is, don't have a clue how unsafe it is.

    Just like Windows XP is no longer supported.

    Not at all "like".

    An operating system is either fully supported, or it's not.

    You know full well that's not true. There are many modes of support. For example, Microsoft uses mainstream, extended and extended security support. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/policies/fixed

    But that's only if you use the latest service pack version of the main OS. Older SP versions don't get the same support.

    Red Hat has three phases: full, maintenance and extended. https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/

    Android just has supported and unsupported:
    https://endoflife.date/android

    With support only lasting about three years up to now. We've to wait four years to see how well Samsung/Google do in supporting it for longer.

    iOS has active support and security support:
    https://endoflife.date/ios

    Which is also about three years, however newer iOS supports much older hardware than android. This is based on evidence and facts, like the
    android data.

    While I understand that you wish to live in the past, most phones sold
    today are Android, and most Android phones are Samsung phones, and the new Samsung phones are supported for seven years and seven releases.

    Apple is on record for five years.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 31 03:14:27 2024
    "iOS 17.6 comes with a rather hefty 35 security fixes for serious holes in Apple's iPhone operating system" https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2024/07/30/ios-176-update-now-warning-issued-to-all-iphone-users/

    As always, the iOS kernel & Apple's webkit caused the zero day holes.

    "The list on Apple's support page shows iOS 17.6 squashes bugs
    in the Kernel at the heart of the iPhone operating system
    as well as several flaws in WebKit, the engine that underpins
    the Safari browser."

    "Among the notable fixes, iOS 17.6 patches two flaws in the
    Kernel tracked as CVE-2024-27863 and CVE-2024-40788.

    The first issue allows an adversary to determine Kernel memory
    layout while the second could enable an attacker to cause unexpected
    system shutdown, according to Apple's support page.

    The iOS 17.6 upgrade also patches a whopping eight issues in WebKit,
    including CVE-2024-40785, which could result in a cross site scripting
    attack if you fell for maliciously crafted web content."

    If you own an iPhone X or older, this is likely your last iOS
    security update before you have to throw it over the next bridge.

    The iPhone X is that toxic once Apple stops full support in iOS 18.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Jul 31 10:42:15 2024
    Chris wrote on Wed, 31 Jul 2024 07:15:50 -0000 (UTC) :

    While I understand that you wish to live in the past, most phones sold
    today are Android, and most Android phones are Samsung phones, and the new >> Samsung phones are supported for seven years and seven releases.

    Like I've said, let's see how that pans out. Samsung haven't supported anything for longer than about three years so we have four years to wait to see what caveats or changes they make to that claim. Which is what I
    suspect they'll do.

    You clearly don't understand that all common consumer operating systems
    except those from Apple are supported in independent layers, some of which
    are fully supported forever (in that there is no EOL date).

    Given you (say you) earned a PhD, you'd think you'd comprehend that.

    Since you earned that PhD (or so you say), you'd know about Windows
    drivers, for example, and about Android's project Mainline, Chris.

    By way of stark contrast, when iOS 18 ships, the entire iOS monolith dies. Meaning you should throw an iPhone X & older phone over the next bridge.

    iPhone X support === Windows XP support

    Apple is on record for five years.

    Plus a history for the last 10 years of supporting all their phones for
    five years or more.

    There is no difference between Windows XP & the iPhone X when iOS 18 ships.

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