• Ron Klain on Biden. He had no idea what was going on, couldn't grasp si

    From John Smyth@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 2 21:28:59 2025
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    The fun is just beginning!
    And the democrats and media tried to tell us tha Biden was fine.
    Did anyone actually believe that?

    'Ron Klain throws boss Joe Biden under the bus — ‘He had no idea what
    was going on, couldn’t grasp concepts.’'

    <https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/02/biden-ron-klain-trump-debate-prep-book-chris-whipple>

    'Ron Klain tells author Chris Whipple then president could not focus and obsessed about foreign leaders ahead of debate that ended his campaign'

    'n a new book, Joe Biden’s former White House chief of staff paints a devastating picture of the then US president’s mental and physical state before the debate with Donald Trump that sent his 2024 campaign into a tailspin, resulting in his relinquishing the Democratic nomination to
    Kamala Harris.

    close-up of man wearing navy suit and tie
    Democrats staged ‘hush-hush talks’ in 2023 for Biden to withdraw from
    race, says book
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    Ron Klain served Biden from 2021 to 2023, then returned to his side last
    June to run debate preparation as he had for numerous Democratic
    presidents before.

    According to Klain, it turned out that Biden “didn’t know what Trump had been saying and couldn’t grasp what the back and forth was”; left preparation and fell asleep by the pool; obsessed about foreign leaders,
    saying “these guys say I’m doing a great job as president so I must be a great president”; “didn’t really understand what his argument was on inflation”; and “had nothing to say about a second term other than
    finish the job”.

    As described by Klain to the reporter Chris Whipple, at one point Biden
    had an idea.

    “If he looked perplexed when Trump talked, voters would understand that
    Trump was an idiot. Klain replied: ‘Sir, when you look perplexed, people
    just think you’re perplexed. And this is our problem in this race.”

    Whipple’s book, Uncharted: How Trump Beat Biden, Harris, and the Odds in
    the Wildest Campaign in History, will be published next week. The
    Guardian obtained a copy.

    Biden is reportedly planning his own book but Whipple’s blockbuster is
    not even the first such volume to hit the shelves. This week saw the publication of Fight, by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes, which also
    contains extensive reporting on Biden’s decline and Harris’s struggle to win over party elites.

    Like Parnes and Allen, Whipple reports both sides of a campaign Trump
    won despite a criminal conviction, civil penalties including one related
    to an allegation of rape, and indictments over election subversion and retention of classified information.

    But Whipple focuses another harsh spotlight on Biden, an octogenarian
    president long beset by questions about his fitness for office.

    Last week, Whipple told Politico: “I have fresh reporting on an
    hour-by-hour, day-by-day basis of Biden’s final days, and obviously his decline is a major part of the story.

    “I happen to think that to call it a ‘cover-up’ is simplistic. I think
    it was stranger and way more troubling than that. Biden’s inner circle,
    his closest advisers, many of them were in a fog of delusion and denial.
    They believed what they wanted to believe.”

    In early 2024, as the campaign warmed up, Klain was among those who said
    he believed Biden was the right candidate to beat Trump a second time,
    telling the New York Times: “If I thought he wasn’t the right candidate
    to beat Donald Trump, I wouldn’t be for him running. But I think he is
    the right candidate.”

    Even after the disastrous debate, by his own telling to Whipple, Klain
    believed Biden should have stayed in the race – a statement that jars
    with Klain’s account of debate prep at Camp David.

    “At his first meeting with Biden in Aspen Lodge, the president’s cabin,” Whipple writes, Klain “was startled. He’d never seen him so exhausted
    and out of it. Biden was unaware of what was happening in his own
    campaign. Halfway through the session, the president excused himself and
    went off to sit by the pool.

    “That evening Biden met again with Klain and his team, [Biden aides]
    Mike Donilon, Steve Richetti, and Bruce Reed. ‘We sat around the table,’ said Klain. ‘[Biden] had answers on cards, and he was just extremely exhausted. And I was struck by how out of touch with American politics
    he was. He was just very, very focused on his interactions with Nato leaders.’”

    Klain, Whipple writes, “wondered half-seriously if Biden thought he was president of Nato instead of the US. ‘He just became very enraptured
    with being the head of Nato,’ he said. That wouldn’t help him on Capitol Hill because, as Klain noted, ‘domestic political leaders don’t really
    care what [Emmanuel] Macron and [Olaf] Scholz think.’”

    Klain, fellow aides and visitors including the film mogul Jeffrey
    Katzenberg tried to get Biden into shape. Two mock debates were
    organized, focusing on domestic policy.

    “The first was scheduled to last 90 minutes but Klain called it off
    after 45. The president’s voice was shot and so was his grasp of the
    subject. All he really could talk about was his infrastructure plan and
    how he was rebuilding America and 16 million jobs. He had nothing to say
    about his agenda for a second term.”

    Klain says Biden grew irritable, saying he would not make promises as he
    would be criticized for failing to deliver. Klain says he tried to
    persuade Biden to run on unfinished business, including his attempt to “subsidize state and local efforts to do childcare and bring down the
    cost to $20 a day. And you ought to try to fight for it again.”


    “Biden seemed befuddled,” Whipple writes. “‘Well, that just seems like a
    big spending program,’ he said.

    Klain said: “No, sir. It brings down costs for people. It’s responsive
    to inflation. It will bring more people into the workforce. It’s good economics. And you know this is something you’re for.”

    But “Biden didn’t want to talk about it” and “25 minutes into the second
    mock debate, the president was done for the day. ‘I’m just too tired to continue and I’m afraid of losing my voice here and I feel bad,’ he
    said. ‘I just need some sleep. I’ll be fine tomorrow.’ He went off to bed.”

    “The president was fatigued, befuddled, and disengaged,” Whipple writes. “Klain feared the debate with Trump would be a nationally televised disaster.”

    It was. On 27 June, Biden arrived at the Atlanta venue with minutes to
    spare – because, Klain said, “He was the president of the United States. They weren’t going to start without him.” Onstage, for two hours and six minutes, Biden stumbled, stared and mumbled.

    As described by Whipple, Jill Biden praised her husband’s performance
    but all others around the president could see “something was terribly wrong”. Whipple quotes an unnamed close friend of Biden who took a call
    from Valerie Biden Owens. The president’s sister and longtime adviser
    was “so angry, she was practically incoherent”. The same friend reports
    a later call from Biden, laughing at his predicament and sounding like
    the senator and vice-president of old.

    a woman and a man stand during a memorial service
    Biden aides argued dropping out would bring ‘mistake’ of Harris, book claims
    Read more
    “Where did that voice go?” the friend wondered … “Where did that guy with that voice go? What the fuck happened to this guy?”

    To Whipple, that was a question “on which the political fate of the
    nation would turn”.

    Eventually, Biden bowed to reality. On 21 July, Klain took a call from
    Jeff Zients, his successor as chief of staff. Biden was out. Despite the
    debate disaster, the news was a “gut punch” to Klain.

    “Jeff, that’s too bad,” he said. “I think that’s a mistake. I think this
    was an avoidable tragedy.”

    Harris faced opposition from Democratic grandees including Obama and
    Nancy Pelosi, but wrapped up the nomination by August. In early
    September, Klain gave Whipple his interview. With the Minnesota
    governor, Tim Walz, as her running mate, Harris mounted an energetic
    campaign. In November, she lost to Trump

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Thu Apr 3 01:55:53 2025
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    On 2025-04-03, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
    The fun is just beginning!
    And the democrats and media tried to tell us tha Biden was fine.
    Did anyone actually believe that?

    'Ron Klain throws boss Joe Biden under the bus — ‘He had no idea what
    was going on, couldn’t grasp concepts.’'

    <https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/apr/02/biden-ron-klain-trump-debate-prep-book-chris-whipple>

    'Ron Klain tells author Chris Whipple then president could not focus and obsessed about foreign leaders ahead of debate that ended his campaign'

    'n a new book, Joe Biden’s former White House chief of staff paints a devastating picture of the then US president’s mental and physical state before the debate with Donald Trump that sent his 2024 campaign into a tailspin, resulting in his relinquishing the Democratic nomination to
    Kamala Harris.

    close-up of man wearing navy suit and tie
    Democrats staged ‘hush-hush talks’ in 2023 for Biden to withdraw from race, says book
    Read more
    Ron Klain served Biden from 2021 to 2023, then returned to his side last
    June to run debate preparation as he had for numerous Democratic
    presidents before.

    According to Klain, it turned out that Biden “didn’t know what Trump had been saying and couldn’t grasp what the back and forth was”; left preparation and fell asleep by the pool; obsessed about foreign leaders, saying “these guys say I’m doing a great job as president so I must be a great president”; “didn’t really understand what his argument was on inflation”; and “had nothing to say about a second term other than
    finish the job”.

    As described by Klain to the reporter Chris Whipple, at one point Biden
    had an idea.

    “If he looked perplexed when Trump talked, voters would understand that Trump was an idiot. Klain replied: ‘Sir, when you look perplexed, people just think you’re perplexed. And this is our problem in this race.”

    Whipple’s book, Uncharted: How Trump Beat Biden, Harris, and the Odds in the Wildest Campaign in History, will be published next week. The
    Guardian obtained a copy.

    Biden is reportedly planning his own book but Whipple’s blockbuster is
    not even the first such volume to hit the shelves. This week saw the publication of Fight, by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes, which also
    contains extensive reporting on Biden’s decline and Harris’s struggle to win over party elites.

    Like Parnes and Allen, Whipple reports both sides of a campaign Trump
    won despite a criminal conviction, civil penalties including one related
    to an allegation of rape, and indictments over election subversion and retention of classified information.

    But Whipple focuses another harsh spotlight on Biden, an octogenarian president long beset by questions about his fitness for office.

    Last week, Whipple told Politico: “I have fresh reporting on an hour-by-hour, day-by-day basis of Biden’s final days, and obviously his decline is a major part of the story.

    “I happen to think that to call it a ‘cover-up’ is simplistic. I think it was stranger and way more troubling than that. Biden’s inner circle,
    his closest advisers, many of them were in a fog of delusion and denial.
    They believed what they wanted to believe.”

    In early 2024, as the campaign warmed up, Klain was among those who said
    he believed Biden was the right candidate to beat Trump a second time, telling the New York Times: “If I thought he wasn’t the right candidate to beat Donald Trump, I wouldn’t be for him running. But I think he is
    the right candidate.”

    Even after the disastrous debate, by his own telling to Whipple, Klain believed Biden should have stayed in the race – a statement that jars
    with Klain’s account of debate prep at Camp David.

    “At his first meeting with Biden in Aspen Lodge, the president’s cabin,”
    Whipple writes, Klain “was startled. He’d never seen him so exhausted
    and out of it. Biden was unaware of what was happening in his own
    campaign. Halfway through the session, the president excused himself and
    went off to sit by the pool.

    “That evening Biden met again with Klain and his team, [Biden aides]
    Mike Donilon, Steve Richetti, and Bruce Reed. ‘We sat around the table,’ said Klain. ‘[Biden] had answers on cards, and he was just extremely exhausted. And I was struck by how out of touch with American politics
    he was. He was just very, very focused on his interactions with Nato leaders.’”

    Klain, Whipple writes, “wondered half-seriously if Biden thought he was president of Nato instead of the US. ‘He just became very enraptured
    with being the head of Nato,’ he said. That wouldn’t help him on Capitol Hill because, as Klain noted, ‘domestic political leaders don’t really care what [Emmanuel] Macron and [Olaf] Scholz think.’”

    Klain, fellow aides and visitors including the film mogul Jeffrey
    Katzenberg tried to get Biden into shape. Two mock debates were
    organized, focusing on domestic policy.

    “The first was scheduled to last 90 minutes but Klain called it off
    after 45. The president’s voice was shot and so was his grasp of the subject. All he really could talk about was his infrastructure plan and
    how he was rebuilding America and 16 million jobs. He had nothing to say about his agenda for a second term.”

    Klain says Biden grew irritable, saying he would not make promises as he would be criticized for failing to deliver. Klain says he tried to
    persuade Biden to run on unfinished business, including his attempt to “subsidize state and local efforts to do childcare and bring down the
    cost to $20 a day. And you ought to try to fight for it again.”


    “Biden seemed befuddled,” Whipple writes. “‘Well, that just seems like a
    big spending program,’ he said.

    Klain said: “No, sir. It brings down costs for people. It’s responsive
    to inflation. It will bring more people into the workforce. It’s good economics. And you know this is something you’re for.”

    But “Biden didn’t want to talk about it” and “25 minutes into the second
    mock debate, the president was done for the day. ‘I’m just too tired to continue and I’m afraid of losing my voice here and I feel bad,’ he
    said. ‘I just need some sleep. I’ll be fine tomorrow.’ He went off to bed.”

    “The president was fatigued, befuddled, and disengaged,” Whipple writes. “Klain feared the debate with Trump would be a nationally televised disaster.”

    It was. On 27 June, Biden arrived at the Atlanta venue with minutes to
    spare – because, Klain said, “He was the president of the United States. They weren’t going to start without him.” Onstage, for two hours and six minutes, Biden stumbled, stared and mumbled.

    As described by Whipple, Jill Biden praised her husband’s performance
    but all others around the president could see “something was terribly wrong”. Whipple quotes an unnamed close friend of Biden who took a call from Valerie Biden Owens. The president’s sister and longtime adviser
    was “so angry, she was practically incoherent”. The same friend reports
    a later call from Biden, laughing at his predicament and sounding like
    the senator and vice-president of old.

    a woman and a man stand during a memorial service
    Biden aides argued dropping out would bring ‘mistake’ of Harris, book claims
    Read more
    “Where did that voice go?” the friend wondered … “Where did that guy with that voice go? What the fuck happened to this guy?”

    To Whipple, that was a question “on which the political fate of the
    nation would turn”.

    Eventually, Biden bowed to reality. On 21 July, Klain took a call from
    Jeff Zients, his successor as chief of staff. Biden was out. Despite the debate disaster, the news was a “gut punch” to Klain.

    “Jeff, that’s too bad,” he said. “I think that’s a mistake. I think this
    was an avoidable tragedy.”

    Harris faced opposition from Democratic grandees including Obama and
    Nancy Pelosi, but wrapped up the nomination by August. In early
    September, Klain gave Whipple his interview. With the Minnesota
    governor, Tim Walz, as her running mate, Harris mounted an energetic campaign. In November, she lost to Trump

    The entertainment is just starting. Wait until the real dirt comes out.
    Used diapers stuffed behind furniture and so forth.

    The truth will always come out eventually.

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