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What I want though, if anybody knows, is an app that will share the USB
drive on the network so I can copy my own stuff to it without faffing
about taking it off, putting it on a laptop, transferring and putting it back. But Google seems to think "sharing" and "casting" mean the same
thing, assumes everything is Android, and can't tell the difference
between "sending" and "receiving".
In other words, if you're not a lemming Google doesn't have a clue what you're talking about ...
Cheers,
Wol
Am Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 08:21:08PM +0000 schrieb Michael:
Some 'smart' TVs won't use a USB drive unless and until they've formatted it first. I've attached a 3" drive in a USB 3.0 docking station and it worked fine *after* it was formatted. Then it wouldn't unmount it, even after I had shutdown the TV. I can't recall what fs format it had used.
As I mentioned, I have a Sony TV. Sony is not known to be customer-friendly with regards to openness and Digital Restrictions Management. But since it’s
GoogleTV, it eats sticks and HDDs alike. I actually have a USB 2 extension cord dangling from the back to the front.
I don’t even have to format it with the TV. It will only add all the Android-typical directories when I stick in a drive for the first time. The only case when I would need to format a drive: if I want to use it to record TV onto it. Because then the recording is DRM-entangled to only be
watchable on that TV.
Rich Freeman wrote:
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 12:26 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm pretty sure you mentioned this once before in one of my older
threads. I can't find it tho. I use PCIe x1 cards to connect my SATA
drives for my video collection and such. You mentioned once what the
bandwidth was for that setup and how many drives it would take to pretty >> much max it out. Right now, I have one card for two sets of LVs. One
LV has four drives and the other has three. What would be the limiting
factor on that, the drives, the PCIe bus or something else?
It depends on the PCIe revision, and of course whether the controller actually maxes it out.
1x PCIe v3 can do 0.985GB/s total. That's about 5 HDDs if they're
running sequentially, and again assumes that your controller can
actually handle all that data. For each generation of PCIe forward/backwards either double/halve the transfer rate. The
interface works at the version of PCIe supported by both the motherboard+CPU and the adapter card.
If you're talking about HDDs in practice the HDDs are probably still
the bottleneck. If these were SATA SSDs then odds are that the PCIe
lane is limiting things, because I doubt this is an all-v5 setup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#History_and_revisions
The big advantage of NVMe isn't so much the bandwidth as the IOPS,
though both benefit. Those run at full PCIe 4x interface speed per
drive, but of course you need 4 lanes per drive for this, which is
hard to obtain on consumer motherboards at any scale.
This I think is what I needed. As it is, I'm most likely not maxing
anything out, yet. The drives for Data, torrent stuff, stays pretty
busy. Mostly reading. My other set of drives, videos, isn't to busy
most of the time. A few MBs/sec or something, playing videos type
reading. Still, next time I power down, I may stick that second card in
and divide things up a bit. Might benefit if those cards aren't to great.
I did copy this info and stuck in in a text file so I don't have to dig
for it again, or ask again. ;-)
Thanks.
Dale
:-) :-)
Smart TVs, STBs, etc. tend to have a DLNA client, which should be able to stream content from your home DLNA server/PVR box. Some also work with SAMBA and perhaps NFS?
I think it makes way more sense to just host a media server of some
sort on Linux and point everything to it, rather than try to turn a TV running some proprietary smart TV OS into one.
On 26/02/2025 18:05, Rich Freeman wrote:
I think it makes way more sense to just host a media server of some
sort on Linux and point everything to it, rather than try to turn a TV running some proprietary smart TV OS into one.
And where do I put that media server? How do I power it? Why do I want
the hassle of another computer? It might only be a few watts, but when
I'm relying on a 100W solar panel for EVERYTHING, its watts I don't want
to spend.
And anyway, I'm not trying to turn a tv with a proprietary OS into a
media server. First off, the tv is running linux, and secondly all I am
(and want to) doing is putting media files on a USB stick attached to
the tv. Which is standard behaviour pretty much encouraged by all smart tvs!
I'm just saying that in general it is going to be way easier to get a
TV to connect to a media server, than to turn it into one without a
lot of limitations.
All I want to do is to get mp3/mp4 files on to that USB stick without
having to resort to sneakernet.
I want a SERVER running on the TV, so I can - on my laptop! - "mount //TV/USB-drive/A", and copy stuff FROM my laptop TO the USB, while it's physically connected to the TV!
Especially if I've got 2 terabytes of hard drive physically attached to
the TV, I don't want to have to keep on disconnecting/reconnecting the
disk to copy stuff on to it.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 2:47 PM Wols Lists <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:
All I want to do is to get mp3/mp4 files on to that USB stick without
having to resort to sneakernet.
Great, then do that. I don't see what the problem is if your TV
supports this. If it doesn't, well, then I suspect you'll find it way
easier to use a general purpose computer as a general purpose computer
than to turn a TV into one.
On 26/02/2025 19:56, Rich Freeman wrote:wrote:
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 2:47 PM Wols Lists <antlists@youngman.org.uk>
All I want to do is to get mp3/mp4 files on to that USB stick without
having to resort to sneakernet.
Great, then do that. I don't see what the problem is if your TV
supports this. If it doesn't, well, then I suspect you'll find it way easier to use a general purpose computer as a general purpose computer
than to turn a TV into one.
And that was my question. Does anyone know a way to get a WebOS (aka
linux) tv to share the usb over the network?
Cheers,
Wol
Howdy,Although the title pretty clearly says 1TB, right below that, under
I ordered a m.2 stick and a enclosure as I posted on another thread.á
I
want some people to look at this and see if I should return it.á The
title says 1TB but I got a 480GB stick.á If I look down at the smaller
print, it says 480GB.á Thing is, I went by the title.á I wanted a 1TB
m.2 nvme stick and the title gave me the info to know it would fit and
was the size I wanted.á I might add, I searched Amazon for a 1tb
stick,
not a 480GB stick.á I wouldn't expect a wrong item to show up so close
to the top so Amazon was confused too.á Here is a link.á
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DQSX3Z76
I was really wanting a 1TB stick.á Would I be wrong to want to return
this given the title is so misleading as to the size?á Price wise, it
isn't a bad deal for the size.á Given some info posted by someone in
the
other thread, I'll likely replace this with a Samsung and just hang on
to it for a backup in case I need one later or something.á Part of me
says keep it, order what I really want, the Samsung, and keep this
for a
backup since the price for what I got is reasonable.á After all, I
didn't pay the 1TB price.á Other part of me says this is misleading
and
not what I wanted.á Returning is a hassle and could even cost me a fee
tho.á It isn't a Prime deal.
Thoughts?á What would you do?á The 480GB is likely big enough for
now.á
Dale
I wouldn't expect a wrong item to show up so close
to the top so Amazon was confused too. Here is a link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DQSX3Z76
I was really wanting a 1TB stick. Would I be wrong to want to return
this given the title is so misleading as to the size? Price wise, it
isn't a bad deal for the size.
Howdy,
I ordered a m.2 stick and a enclosure as I posted on another thread. I
want some people to look at this and see if I should return it. The
title says 1TB but I got a 480GB stick. If I look down at the smaller print, it says 480GB. Thing is, I went by the title. I wanted a 1TB
m.2 nvme stick and the title gave me the info to know it would fit and
was the size I wanted. I might add, I searched Amazon for a 1tb stick,
not a 480GB stick. I wouldn't expect a wrong item to show up so close
to the top so Amazon was confused too. Here is a link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DQSX3Z76
I was really wanting a 1TB stick. Would I be wrong to want to return
this given the title is so misleading as to the size? Price wise, it
isn't a bad deal for the size. Given some info posted by someone in the other thread, I'll likely replace this with a Samsung and just hang on
to it for a backup in case I need one later or something. Part of me
says keep it, order what I really want, the Samsung, and keep this for a backup since the price for what I got is reasonable. After all, I
didn't pay the 1TB price. Other part of me says this is misleading and
not what I wanted. Returning is a hassle and could even cost me a fee tho. It isn't a Prime deal.
Thoughts? What would you do? The 480GB is likely big enough for now.
Dale
:-)Â :-)
I think the price is fair enough for the size. I'm thinking about using
this to transfer data from cell phones. This one would be large enough
to hold my phone data and my sis-n-law's phone data as well. Likely
several times over. Basically, I could use the thing. I just don't
like the confusion of it is all. The title of the listing should always
be correct.
When I click on the link, Amazon offers similar products of 1 TB NVMe M.2 drives for a few dollars more with the links provided below. One is $14 more and the other is $5 more. I can not comment on how good they are as I don't have any experience with these types of drives.
https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-2280-Internal-SNV2S-1000G/dp/B0BBWH1R8H
https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-NVMe-Gen3x4-SP001TBP34A60M28/dp/B07ZGJVTZK
I'll admit, I may create a encrypted partition on the thing with some
videos as a backup. If for example a hard drive goes bad, or is going
bad, I can power the drives down and just watch videos on the m.2
stick. Speed isn't a real big deal. I just want it to work. Oh, I'd
be more worried about the USB speed myself. I'm not sure what version
of 3 my mobo has but I suspect the bandwidth will max out on the USB
before the m.2 does.Â
I did reach out to the seller. I thought I was buying from Crucial
itself but turns out it was someone else. I eventually found a way to contact them. I told them about the misleading title and that I would likely keep the stick anyway. So far, I got it in the enclosure and connected. It shows up just like a SATA drive does. Now to format.Â
I have a Samsung Android phone. My sis-n-law has a Iphone thing, Apple type. What file system is best for both of these to work? I read exFAT but other sites say something else.
I'm kinda the same way. I rarely buy the latest stuff. To often, it is just to pricey. Drop down a little and save a lot of money and the performance is almost as good. I'm the same on this m.2 external
stick. I don't need the very latest products. Odds are, my USB is
going to be the bottleneck anyway. My enclosure will likely do its job
for years. Even the stick will be fine unless I build a new system with
USB 5.0 or whatever comes next.
Thoughts? What would you do? The 480GB is likely big enough for now.
I just took the m.2 stick thingy and plugged it
into my phone. It popped up and said something about not being ready to access and did I want to format it. Well, geeee, why would I want
that???? ROFL I clicked yes and a couple seconds later, it was done.
Then came the hard part, the real hard part. I tried a dozen or more
apps to backup stuff like pictures and such to the m.2 stick. None of
them would work right. It was annoying as heck. I might add, restore options are hard to find too. Anyway, I found this thing called File
Manager plus. I used it to copy the picture directory and then paste it
on the m.2 stick. My Samsung S9 phone is likely USB 1, maybe 2. Still,
it was pretty fast. Took 15 or 20 minutes. I have quite a few pics.
For those interested, this is the mount info, which should include file system info.
/dev/sdk1 on /run/media/dale/4730-DF8F type fuseblk
If I recall correctly, fuse thingy is for NTFS. I think anyway.
Michael wrote:
On Tuesday, 25 February 2025 03:56:49 Greenwich Mean Time Dale wrote:
[snip ...]
I just took the m.2 stick thingy and plugged it
into my phone. It popped up and said something about not being ready to >> access and did I want to format it. Well, geeee, why would I want
that???? ROFL I clicked yes and a couple seconds later, it was done.
What filesystem format was applied by the phone to the m.2 stick?
I was poking around and it turned out to be exFAT. It seems FUSE can be
more than one thing, file system wise. I read a little on FUSE but it
was ages ago.
Then came the hard part, the real hard part. I tried a dozen or more
apps to backup stuff like pictures and such to the m.2 stick. None of
them would work right. It was annoying as heck. I might add, restore
options are hard to find too. Anyway, I found this thing called File
Manager plus. I used it to copy the picture directory and then paste it >> on the m.2 stick. My Samsung S9 phone is likely USB 1, maybe 2. Still, >> it was pretty fast. Took 15 or 20 minutes. I have quite a few pics.
Depending on the phone OS and its file structure a restorable 'backup' may involve more than just the video, photo, music, or message files stored on the phone. It may also include and require some phone database with associated metadata. In addition, such backups may be encrypted. As far as I can tell backups of an iPhone stored on a computer, rather thanYea, I suspect backing it up is easy enough, just make a copy. Thing
their iCloud service, may not include everything you would want to back
up, e.g. emails, ebooks, etc. Unlike when you back up your iPhone to an applemac, on a PC they expect you to use iTunes, which of course implies you'd use MsWindows for the task.
is, some phones might allow reading but writing may not be allowed so no matter the tool, one can't restore. The biggest thing I wanted, media.
I'd like to copy my contact list to tho. May try to find it later on.
[snip ...]Did the phone create a partition, or did it format the whole disk?
What is the filesystem it ended up with?
It created a single DOS partition and formatted the whole thing with
exFAT It worked so that was fine with me.
Is using the FUSE the best way or should I change to something other
method?
You need a common denominator. ExFat is a good candidate, methinks, as it won’t give any issues with file permissions. Since I’ve never held an iOS device in my hands, I have no idea about what FS they support. But the
answer should be just a short DuckDuck away. :)
I'm glad I followed that other thread. I feel a lot better about this
method of storage. I'm also feeling better about USB and storage
itself. I've been really nervous about that for a long time now. It's
also pretty easy to copy media from my phone.
Even tho the USB on my phone is slow, my puter USB isn't the fastest out there either, it is pretty darn fast.
Also, very large storage space
compared to USB sticks. The biggest USB stick I've ever bought, 128GB.
I haven't used it yet. It just sits on my desk.
I
could build a Raspberry Pi for a NAS box, a media center hooked to my TV
or some other things. Like a torrent box maybe.
I've went from
wouldn't trust USB to trusting it a lot more. That has some value.
On Monday 24 February 2025 22:48:26 Greenwich Mean Time Frank Steinmetzger
wrote:
You need a common denominator. ExFat is a good candidate, methinks, as it won’t give any issues with file permissions. Since I’ve never held an iOS
device in my hands, I have no idea about what FS they support. But the answer should be just a short DuckDuck away. :)
I tried exfat on a USB M.2 drive at the weekend. I tripped over soft links:
I keep a plain copy of /etc with the other tar files for ease of use, and
of course the run-level entries are all links.
Yes, permissions are fine, but special files are not - not soft links, anyway.
Still, is FUSE the best way to handle this or should it be done the same way as EXT4? I don't recall enabling FUSE so I figure it is enabled by default or something.
I'm pretty sure you mentioned this once before in one of my older
threads. I can't find it tho. I use PCIe x1 cards to connect my SATA
drives for my video collection and such. You mentioned once what the bandwidth was for that setup and how many drives it would take to pretty
much max it out. Right now, I have one card for two sets of LVs. One
LV has four drives and the other has three. What would be the limiting factor on that, the drives, the PCIe bus or something else?
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 10:57 AM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
Still, is FUSE the best way to handle this or should it be done the same way as EXT4? I don't recall enabling FUSE so I figure it is enabled by default or something.ext4 is a filesystem. FUSE is a kernel API that can be used to
implement any filesystem.
I'm pretty sure there is a kernel setting to enable FUSE, and it is
pretty typical for it to be enabled. Lots of stuff uses it.
In many operating systems (with a microkernel architecture) the
equivalent of FUSE is the only way filesystems are implemented.
Usually people prefer to use built-in kernel drivers if they are
available. There isn't really anything wrong with FUSE, but in many
cases the in-kernel drivers are just better maintained.
Unless I'm wrong there is/was a speed penalty when accessing a fs over FUSE. Anyway, I was configuring kernel 6.12.16-gentoo today and came across this:
CONFIG_FUSE_PASSTHROUGH
More details here:
https://lwn.net/Articles/832430/
It looks quite promising.
That said, there is nothing "wrong" with buying M.2 drives just to use
them exclusively USB3 enclosures. I just think you're paying a big
premium for something that isn't really much better than a thumb
drive.
On 25/02/2025 15:04, Rich Freeman wrote:
That said, there is nothing "wrong" with buying M.2 drives just to use
them exclusively USB3 enclosures. I just think you're paying a big
premium for something that isn't really much better than a thumb
drive.
Until you get a TV like ours, that DEMANDS a disk drive to hang off its
USB. I tried sticking a USB3 stick in, and it refused. Hang a bare
laptop HDD off it, and it's quite happy.
So I'm hoping a M2 in an enclosure will keep it happy ...
(Of course, every other TV I've ever had is perfectly happen with just a
USB stick!)
Cheers,
Wol
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 2:00 PM Michael <confabulate@kintzios.com> wrote:
Unless I'm wrong there is/was a speed penalty when accessing a fs over FUSE. Anyway, I was configuring kernel 6.12.16-gentoo today and came
across this:
CONFIG_FUSE_PASSTHROUGH
More details here:
https://lwn.net/Articles/832430/
It looks quite promising.
It isn't 100% clear when this will work. This seems to be about
skipping the FUSE userspace driver to directly connect an application
to the ultimate backing store, but this assumes the kernel even
implements the backing store. I get that this might often be the
case, but I can imagine that in a lot of FUSE applications there is no linux-native filesystem involved.
I'm not surprised to hear that FUSE performance isn't great - it just
isn't seen as a mainstream way to mount things. On a microkernel
there is no such thing as a kernel-native filesystem implementation,
so the kernel maintainers obviously need to optimize for this use
case. I imagine that they will still have many context switches to
deal with.
On Tuesday, 25 February 2025 20:19:18 Greenwich Mean Time Wol wrote:
On 25/02/2025 15:04, Rich Freeman wrote:
That said, there is nothing "wrong" with buying M.2 drives just to use them exclusively USB3 enclosures. I just think you're paying a big premium for something that isn't really much better than a thumb
drive.
Until you get a TV like ours, that DEMANDS a disk drive to hang off its USB. I tried sticking a USB3 stick in, and it refused. Hang a bare
laptop HDD off it, and it's quite happy.
So I'm hoping a M2 in an enclosure will keep it happy ...
(Of course, every other TV I've ever had is perfectly happen with just a USB stick!)
Cheers,
Wol
Some 'smart' TVs won't use a USB drive unless and until they've formatted it first. I've attached a 3" drive in a USB 3.0 docking station and it worked fine *after* it was formatted. Then it wouldn't unmount it, even after I had
shutdown the TV. I can't recall what fs format it had used.
The USB 3 family starts at 5 Gbps. All but the cheapest boards have at least
one 10 Gbps USB, either as USB-A or USB-C. Some at the back, some as a new internal connector for a USB-C socket at the case front. Still rare are USBs
with 20 Gbps. But I think your board was quite a good model, no? I tried to
find it out by perusing old threads, but they are a bit confusing at times.^^
I found mentions of Asus Prime X670-P and of Asus B550 Plus. The former has
a 20 Gbps socket, the latter only provides 10 Gbps.
I started out with the X670 I think but ended up with the B550. The
B550 had more PCI slots. I needed expansion options. The AM5 mobo just don't have it.
I was sitting here thinking on which file system to try first. Then it
hit me. I didn't know if this would work or not, but I figured it
wouldn't hurt to try. I just took the m.2 stick thingy and plugged it
into my phone. It popped up and said something about not being ready to access and did I want to format it.
[…]
Anyway, I found this thing called File
Manager plus. I used it to copy the picture directory and then paste it
on the m.2 stick. My Samsung S9 phone is likely USB 1, maybe 2.
Oh, copying from m.2 stick to my puter hard drive, seconds. I used the
type C USB port which is likely the fastest and it hit close to
300MBs/sec. Keep in mind, this is pictures with a few videos. Small
files tend to be slower. Still, pretty good. A lot better than USB 1.0 days.Â
I don’t even have to format it with the TV. It will only add all the Android-typical directories when I stick in a drive for the first time. The only case when I would need to format a drive: if I want to use it to record TV onto it. Because then the recording is DRM-entangled to only be watchable on that TV.