• Colored e-mail without using \e[3;91m HTML \e[0m

    From Roger Price@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 14:40:01 2025
    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue. I would like to do this without using HTML. I use alpine to send and receive email : I tried adding the ASCII codes that produce colored text in a X terminal, for example the command echo -e "This is a test of \e[3;91m italic red \e[0m ", but they are ignored in an e-mail message body.

    Is there some way of producing colored text without using HTML ?

    Roger

    https://useplaintext.email/

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  • From Nicolas George@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 14:50:01 2025
    Roger Price (HE12025-04-17):
    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue.

    That is idiotic and harmful. Tell you will comply only if there is a
    compelling justification. (There is not.)

    I would like to do this
    without using HTML. I use alpine to send and receive email : I tried adding the
    ASCII codes that produce colored text in a X terminal, for example the command
    echo -e "This is a test of \e[3;91m italic red \e[0m ", but they are ignored in
    an e-mail message body.

    Is there some way of producing colored text without using HTML ?

    Not possible.

    Regards,

    --
    Nicolas George

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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 15:00:01 2025
    On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 02:37:36PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:
    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue. I would like to do this
    without using HTML. I use alpine to send and receive email : I tried adding the
    ASCII codes that produce colored text in a X terminal, for example the command
    echo -e "This is a test of \e[3;91m italic red \e[0m ", but they are ignored in
    an e-mail message body.

    Is there some way of producing colored text without using HTML ?

    It's not the mail which has colour. It's the end user's "device" (in
    the most general sense, meaning the application, hardware, etc.)
    which puts colour on it.

    Based on this (in hindsight, as always, obvious) observation, you
    only have a chance if you use a transfer format willing to carry
    colour information and for which viewers are sufficiently widespread.

    This would suggest:

    - html
    - pdf
    - some Microsoft crap

    Now it depends on how vengeful you are: you might end up with RTF
    (out of categoty 3), or you might explain to your president that,
    when the mails are all blue, people with a monochrome monitor will
    be incapable to read them (perhaps they believe you).

    But if you intend to do your job as noiselessly as possible (why?),
    then HTML seems currently your least painful option.

    The escape sequences you mention above are targeted at terminals,
    and every decent terminal-oriented mail reader will filter them
    out, because they are a glaring security hole (as are HTML
    mails).

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From The Wanderer@21:1/5 to Nicolas George on Thu Apr 17 15:10:01 2025
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    On 2025-04-17 at 08:40, Nicolas George wrote:

    Roger Price (HE12025-04-17):

    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to
    that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue.

    That is idiotic and harmful. Tell you will comply only if there is a compelling justification. (There is not.)

    You could also tell him that he should be able to configure his(?) mail
    client to display incoming plain-text E-mail in blue. That sort of
    display formatting is properly a client-side matter, and is not for the
    sender to determine. (Even if the sender does specify it, the client is
    free to ignore the specified details.)

    I would like to do this without using HTML. I use alpine to send
    and receive email : I tried adding the ASCII codes that produce
    colored text in a X terminal, for example the command echo -e "This
    is a test of \e[3;91m italic red \e[0m ", but they are ignored in
    an e-mail message body.

    Is there some way of producing colored text without using HTML ?

    Not possible.

    In principle it could be possible, depending on the client that will be receiving/displaying/rendering the mail. In practice, very few if any
    clients are going to support any such thing. (And the only context I can
    think of in which it *might* be possible are, as you reference, mail
    clients that run in a terminal. Even if you hadn't already tested that
    and found that it doesn't seem to work, it seems quite unlikely that
    someone who would make such a demand would be reading mail through such
    a mail client.)

    --
    The Wanderer

    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
    persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
    progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw


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  • From Nicolas George@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 15:30:01 2025
    tomas@tuxteam.de (HE12025-04-17):
    Now it depends on how vengeful you are: you might end up with RTF
    (out of categoty 3), or you might explain to your president that,
    when the mails are all blue, people with a monochrome monitor will
    be incapable to read them (perhaps they believe you).

    Monochrome is rather stretching it in this day and age. Better evoke the situation of people with sight disabilities, because it is true that
    they might have special needs, including about color, to be able to read something.

    Regards,

    --
    Nicolas George

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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to Nicolas George on Thu Apr 17 15:40:01 2025
    On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 03:19:49PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
    tomas@tuxteam.de (HE12025-04-17):
    Now it depends on how vengeful you are: you might end up with RTF
    (out of categoty 3), or you might explain to your president that,
    when the mails are all blue, people with a monochrome monitor will
    be incapable to read them (perhaps they believe you).

    Monochrome is rather stretching it in this day and age. Better evoke the situation of people with sight disabilities, because it is true that
    they might have special needs, including about color, to be able to read something.

    You are right, of course. I was just being sarcastic.

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 15:50:02 2025
    Thank you for the link to https://useplaintext.email/ .
    It may help me explain why I have SeaMonkey set to disable JavaScript,
    cookies, and ignore site specified images/background when surfing.
    [I date back to days of Netscape Navigator ;]

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  • From Alain D D Williams@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 15:40:02 2025
    On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 02:37:36PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:
    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue.

    I would reply to say that writing in blue makes you depressed and that your doctor has advised against it.

    A silly reply but it makes just as much sense as his edict.

    I read/write email using mutt in a mate terminal. It is black & white. If I ssh in from my laptop it is yellow & black (I cannot remember why I set it up like that).

    I suspect that he thinks that everyone has the same setup as he has.

    https://useplaintext.email/

    A good site. Tell him to read it.

    --
    Alain Williams
    Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer.
    +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/
    Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html
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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 16:00:01 2025
    On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 02:55:31PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025, Nicolas George wrote:

    Roger Price (HE12025-04-17):
    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I
    write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue.

    That is idiotic and harmful.

    I agree with you completely.

    Tell you will comply only if there is a compelling justification. (There is
    not.)

    Long ago he was a senior manager in a major IT manufacturer known for its color.
    I've known him for many years. I don't fancy the job of telling him how stupid
    he is. IT also involves human problems.

    IT is an invention of humans. No wonder it is as it is.

    Let us know whether you can talk him out of that blue :-)

    It'd be a service to humanity, and a bit your responsability,
    as the more knowledgeable IT person of you.

    Cheers
    --
    t

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  • From Roger Price@21:1/5 to Nicolas George on Thu Apr 17 15:50:02 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025, Nicolas George wrote:

    Roger Price (HE12025-04-17):
    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue.

    That is idiotic and harmful.

    I agree with you completely.

    Tell you will comply only if there is a compelling justification. (There is not.)

    Long ago he was a senior manager in a major IT manufacturer known for its color.
    I've known him for many years. I don't fancy the job of telling him how stupid he is. IT also involves human problems.

    Roger

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  • From Alain D D Williams@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 16:00:01 2025
    On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 02:55:31PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:

    Long ago he was a senior manager in a major IT manufacturer known for its color.
    I've known him for many years. I don't fancy the job of telling him how stupid
    he is. IT also involves human problems.

    In that case just tell him that you have tried and cannot work out how to do it. He will think that you are stupid but if/when he tries to tell you how to do it and realises that it is not that simple, a penny might drop.

    --
    Alain Williams
    Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer.
    +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/
    Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html
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  • From Roger Price@21:1/5 to Alain D D Williams on Thu Apr 17 16:10:01 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025, Alain D D Williams wrote:

    ... when he tries to tell you how to do it

    Very easy for him - he's a manager - he will say "Use software!". Problem solved. Roger

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  • From The Wanderer@21:1/5 to Alain D D Williams on Thu Apr 17 16:10:01 2025
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    On 2025-04-17 at 09:52, Alain D D Williams wrote:

    On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 02:55:31PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:

    Long ago he was a senior manager in a major IT manufacturer known
    for its color. I've known him for many years. I don't fancy the
    job of telling him how stupid he is. IT also involves human
    problems.

    In that case just tell him that you have tried and cannot work out
    how to do it. He will think that you are stupid but if/when he tries
    to tell you how to do it and realises that it is not that simple, a
    penny might drop.

    I'm sure he'll declare that it *is* that simple: just compose the mail
    in HTML, and set the composer to specify a blue font color.

    The fact that this won't work for all recipient mail clients won't
    matter to him, since it *will* work for *his* mail client.

    --
    The Wanderer

    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
    persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
    progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw


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  • From Richard Owlett@21:1/5 to Nicolas George on Thu Apr 17 16:30:01 2025
    On 4/17/25 8:19 AM, Nicolas George wrote:
    tomas@tuxteam.de (HE12025-04-17):
    Now it depends on how vengeful you are: you might end up with RTF
    (out of categoty 3), or you might explain to your president that,
    when the mails are all blue, people with a monochrome monitor will
    be incapable to read them (perhaps they believe you).

    Monochrome is rather stretching it in this day and age. Better evoke the situation of people with sight disabilities, because it is true that
    they might have special needs, including about color, to be able to read something.

    Regards,


    I don't have any "color blindness" related issues, but I do have acuity/perception issues prompting me to have SeaMonkey set to disable JavaScript, cookies, and ignore site specified images/background.

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  • From Dan Ritter@21:1/5 to Alain D D Williams on Thu Apr 17 16:40:02 2025
    Alain D D Williams wrote:
    I read/write email using mutt in a mate terminal. It is black & white. If I ssh
    in from my laptop it is yellow & black (I cannot remember why I set it up like
    that).


    For about a decade, I color-coded the default text in my
    terminals to indicate where I was SSHd in. (I tended to have a
    dozen terminal windows open at once.)

    These days I color-code the bash prompt, instead.

    -dsr-

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  • From Nicolas George@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 16:40:02 2025
    Roger Price (HE12025-04-17):
    Very easy for him - he's a manager - he will say "Use software!". Problem solved. Roger

    “I did. I am sure my mail is blue. Is it not?” and join a screenshot.

    Regards,

    --
    Nicolas George

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  • From James H. H. Lampert@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 17:30:01 2025
    On 4/17/25 5:37 AM, Roger Price wrote:
    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue.

    Have you ever considered the possibility that you are being hazed?

    --
    JHHL

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  • From Andrew M.A. Cater@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 17:30:01 2025
    B
    On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 02:37:36PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:
    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue. I would like to do this without using HTML. I use alpine to send and receive email : I tried adding the
    ASCII codes that produce colored text in a X terminal, for example the command
    echo -e "This is a test of \e[3;91m italic red \e[0m ", but they are ignored in
    an e-mail message body.

    Is there some way of producing colored text without using HTML ?


    Hi Roger,

    He didn't specify *which* blue. I'd suggest using HTML and setting, say, foreground as #d1edf2 and background as #95b9db.[Crayola pale blue and
    Fabric Creations Pale Blue from Encycolorpedia - both found by searching
    "pale blue RGB" in Google]. This is malicious compliance, but one of those
    is fairly close to "well-known large American computer company" blue.

    When he complains that he can't read it, point out that mandating specific colours goes against making email accessible to others. Also point out
    that blue text in HTML is often used for web links and that some people
    would find this difficult to distinguish meaningfully.

    You might also want to try a colour contrast test for light blue on white:
    the ratio should be at least 4.5:1 per the W3C WCAG 2.2 guidelines for web pages, for example.
    [And https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/quickref/#text-alternatives - Colour
    should not used as the only means of conveying information]

    For the avoidance of doubt as to why I should care: I spend time at $dayjob working on accessibility and and accessibility documentation.

    All the very best, as ever

    Andy

    Roger

    https://useplaintext.email/


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  • From Roger Price@21:1/5 to James H. H. Lampert on Thu Apr 17 18:50:01 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025, James H. H. Lampert wrote:

    On 4/17/25 5:37 AM, Roger Price wrote:
    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue.

    Have you ever considered the possibility that you are being hazed?

    I wondered, but his manner and the way he spoke about his visual difficulty suggested that he wanted me to be the first to write in blue, and then others would follow. Roger

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  • From Alain D D Williams@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 19:00:01 2025
    On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 06:42:57PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:

    I wondered, but his manner and the way he spoke about his visual difficulty suggested that he wanted me to be the first to write in blue, and then others would follow. Roger

    Ah, at last the reason. *He* has a personal problem and expects the rest of the world to change to make his life easier.

    The real solution to this is to fix his MUA to address his visual difficulty.

    --
    Alain Williams
    Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer.
    +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/
    Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html
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  • From Roger Price@21:1/5 to Alexander V. Makartsev on Thu Apr 17 19:00:01 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
    On 17.04.2025 19:06, Roger Price wrote:
    Very easy for him - he's a manager - he will say "Use software!". Problem solved. Roger

    I'd use software called GIMP. &shrug;

    Your 1.png is neat. The mailing list is run by framalistes.org . They accept almost anything and forcibly HTMLize it. Roger

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  • From James H. H. Lampert@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 19:00:01 2025
    On 4/17/25 9:42 AM, Roger Price wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025, James H. H. Lampert wrote:
    Have you ever considered the possibility that you are being hazed?

    I wondered, but his manner and the way he spoke about his visual difficulty suggested that he wanted me to be the first to write in blue, and then others would follow. Roger

    Then maybe the thing to do would be for somebody to show him how to
    configure colors on his email reader? Doing it in T-Bird is simplicity
    itself.

    --
    JHHL

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  • From Roger Price@21:1/5 to Alain D D Williams on Thu Apr 17 19:10:01 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025, Alain D D Williams wrote:
    On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 06:42:57PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:
    ... he wanted me to be the first to write in blue, and then others
    would follow.

    Ah, at last the reason. *He* has a personal problem and expects the rest of the
    world to change to make his life easier.

    That's how line managers think.

    The real solution to this is to fix his MUA to address his visual difficulty.

    It's a human problem. I'm still wondering how to go about this. Roger

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  • From debian-user@howorth.org.uk@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 19:30:01 2025
    Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
    On 17.04.2025 19:06, Roger Price wrote:
    Very easy for him - he's a manager - he will say "Use software!".
    Problem solved. Roger

    I'd use software called GIMP. &shrug;

    Your 1.png is neat. The mailing list is run by framalistes.org .
    They accept almost anything and forcibly HTMLize it. Roger

    Looking at
    https://framalistes.org/sympa/arc/ospo.onramp/2025-03/msg00001.html as
    an example, it appears your text may become blue if you precede your
    message with <a name="00000" href="msg00000.html"> and follow it with


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  • From David Wright@21:1/5 to Dan Ritter on Thu Apr 17 20:30:01 2025
    On Thu 17 Apr 2025 at 10:17:54 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote:
    Alain D D Williams wrote:
    I read/write email using mutt in a mate terminal. It is black & white. If I ssh
    in from my laptop it is yellow & black (I cannot remember why I set it up like
    that).

    For about a decade, I color-coded the default text in my
    terminals to indicate where I was SSHd in. (I tended to have a
    dozen terminal windows open at once.)

    These days I color-code the bash prompt, instead.

    Same here: coloured bash prompt, with reverse video for root.
    I colour the status bar in mutt, the mode-line in emacs, and the
    hotkey (bottom) line in mc. I also colour the menu (top) line
    in mc differently when one panel is displaying a remote host.
    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    David.

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  • From Stefan Monnier@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 20:20:01 2025
    Looking at https://framalistes.org/sympa/arc/ospo.onramp/2025-03/msg00001.html as
    an example, it appears your text may become blue if you precede your
    message with <a name="00000" href="msg00000.html"> and follow it with


    Yeah, making it a link might render it blue.
    If you do that, I think it'd be worthwhile to make it a valid link that
    points to a page explaining how to configure the MUA's text color.


    Stefan

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  • From James H. H. Lampert@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Thu Apr 17 20:30:01 2025
    On 4/17/25 9:52 AM, Roger Price wrote:
    The mailing list is run by framalistes.org . They accept
    almost anything and forcibly HTMLize it. Roger

    That's ass-backwards. Then again, looking at their site, so is
    everything else they do, including their TOU.

    I wonder if that's a symptom of excessive exposure to top-posting . . . .

    --
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  • From Nicolas George@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 20:40:01 2025
    David Wright (HE12025-04-17):
    Same here: coloured bash prompt, with reverse video for root.

    I see your reverse-video prompt and I raise with:

    My *keyboard* becomes red when I type in a terminal with a root shell or processes descended from one.

    I had forgotten I had that enabled, though, since I almost never use a
    root shell, I prefer using sudo the way it is meant to be used; the rare
    times I do are when I do not want the command to end up in the logs, for example this one:

    cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/mapper/st202204-ar0001 crypt-c0001.tmp <<<"va53t+rTaAW46Bh7kFWnz/K5EOq8mb1L"

    (do not worry, this is not the real key).

    Regards,

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  • From Nicolas George@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 21:20:01 2025
    On 4/17/25 9:52 AM, Roger Price wrote:
    The mailing list is run by framalistes.org . They accept
    almost anything and forcibly HTMLize it. Roger

    James H. H. Lampert (HE12025-04-17):
    That's ass-backwards.

    That would be ass-backwards if that were true. Fortunately, that is just
    not true.

    Then again, looking at their site, so is everything
    else they do, including their TOU.

    What do you think is wrong in their terms of use?

    --
    Nicolas George

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  • From debian-user@howorth.org.uk@21:1/5 to Stefan Monnier on Thu Apr 17 21:40:02 2025
    Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
    Looking at https://framalistes.org/sympa/arc/ospo.onramp/2025-03/msg00001.html
    as an example, it appears your text may become blue if you precede
    your message with <a name="00000" href="msg00000.html"> and follow
    it with </a>

    Yeah, making it a link might render it blue.
    If you do that, I think it'd be worthwhile to make it a valid link
    that points to a page explaining how to configure the MUA's text
    color.

    Since the sender has no knowledge of what MUA (or browser) any receiver
    is using there's no way to know how to configure whatever they're using.

    Stefan


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  • From Stefan Monnier@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 21:50:01 2025
    Since the sender has no knowledge of what MUA (or browser) any receiver
    is using there's no way to know how to configure whatever they're using.

    There's only one user of interest here (the idiot requesting a specific
    color) and the OP has presumably received an email from that guy so they
    can check the headers to find the MUA that the idiot is using,


    Stefan

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  • From Roger Price@21:1/5 to Stefan Monnier on Thu Apr 17 22:10:01 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025, Stefan Monnier wrote:

    Since the sender has no knowledge of what MUA (or browser) any receiver
    is using there's no way to know how to configure whatever they're using.

    ... and the OP has presumably received an email from that guy so they
    can check the headers to find the MUA that the idiot is using,

    User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird

    Roger

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  • From Richmond@21:1/5 to Roger Price on Sat Apr 19 12:20:01 2025
    Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> writes:

    I have been told by the elderly president of a club I belong to that when I write on the club's mailing list, it must be in blue.

    I think he must be having a laugh. Tell him it *is* blue.

    Some people will try it on though, like saying your posts have to wrap
    at 72 characters or their email client can't cope.

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  • From Nicolas George@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 19 12:20:01 2025
    Richmond (HE12025-04-19):
    Some people will try it on though, like saying your posts have to wrap
    at 72 characters or their email client can't cope.

    If the mail is in text/plain without format=flowed, then “less than 80
    even with a few quote marks in front” IS the etiquette, it has been for decades, whether you want it or not.

    And that is not just cargo cult: text/plain is not meant to be
    rewrapped, rewrapping it could lose information deliberately put there
    by the author. It should be readable as is, and this limit not only
    matches the width of old terminals, it is also the point where average
    human eyes start losing alignment.

    Regards,

    --
    Nicolas George

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  • From Paul Duncan@21:1/5 to Richmond on Sat Apr 19 23:20:01 2025
    On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> writes:



    Some people will try it on though, like saying your posts have to wrap
    at 72 characters or their email client can't cope.


    Is that because they are using systems which use punched cards?

    Paul.


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    <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Richmond &lt;<a href="mailto:dnomhcir@gmx.com">dnomhcir@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote
    class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Roger Price &lt;<a href="mailto:debian@rogerprice.org" target="_blank">debian@rogerprice.org</a>&gt; writes:<br>
    <br><br>

    Some people will try it on though, like saying your posts have to wrap<br>
    at 72 characters or their email client can&#39;t cope.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is that because they are using systems which use punched cards?</div><div><br></div><div>Paul. </div></div><div><br clear="all"></div><div><br></div><span class="
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  • From tomas@tuxteam.de@21:1/5 to Paul Duncan on Sun Apr 20 08:00:01 2025
    On Sat, Apr 19, 2025 at 11:13:19PM +0200, Paul Duncan wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 at 12:10, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

    Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> writes:



    Some people will try it on though, like saying your posts have to wrap
    at 72 characters or their email client can't cope.


    Is that because they are using systems which use punched cards?

    No. It's because sometimes, it's more difficult to read longer lines.

    [...]

    Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Google+

    No, I'm not going to do that.

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    Posting that to a public mailing list: priceless.

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