Sysop: | Amessyroom |
---|---|
Location: | Fayetteville, NC |
Users: | 43 |
Nodes: | 6 (0 / 6) |
Uptime: | 95:34:37 |
Calls: | 290 |
Files: | 904 |
Messages: | 76,423 |
For network browsing in the thunar file manager, install gvfs-backends and gvfs-fuse, and add your users to the "fuse" group (sudo adduser <user> fuse).<br>Thunar is missing a plugin to create network shares (bug 672539). Workaround: definecustom actions (adjust the permissions (setguid) according to the samba section above).</i></div><div><br></div><div>What is the issue of not having these two packages installed?</div><div><br></div><div>The most obvious issue I observe is that Thunar is
</div><div>But when try to add my userid to the fuse group, I discover that the fuse group does not exist, why is this? I have read on the Internet that with Bookworm there is no need to add the userid to the fuse group, but the instructions onthe DesktopHowTo, does recommend this step.<br></div><div># adduser <user> fuse</div><div>adduser: The group `fuse' does not exist.</div><div><br></div><div>I think I found the "fuse" package was not installed. Should I install the fuse package?</
<div># apt install fuse3</div><div><br></div><div>Even after installing the fuse package, there is no group in /etc/group called "fuse".</div><div># grep fuse /etc/group</div><div><br></div><div>I then created the fuse group and added my userid tothe fuse group. Is this correct? Is doing this a problem? Does creating the fuse group and adding the userid to the group actually help?<br></div><div># groupadd fuse</div><div># adduser <user> fuse</div><div><br></div><div><div>I read the
George.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>
Hi,
Is anyone familiar with using Thunar to access Windows shares or Samba shares? I have found that after installing Debian Bookworm with XFCE,
that Thunar is 1) not able to display Windows shares or Samba shares,
2) not able to connect to connect to Windows shares or Samba shares.
Does someone know how get Thunar to display and access Windows shares
or Samba shares?
In Debian Bookworm installations, why is gvfs-backends and gvfs-fuse
not installed by default when installing Debian with XFCE?
For network browsing in the thunar file manager, install gvfs-backends
and gvfs-fuse, and add your users to the "fuse" group (sudo adduser
fuse).
What is the issue of not having these two packages installed?
But when try to add my userid to the fuse group, I discover that the
fuse group does not exist, why is this?
I think I found the "fuse" package was not installed. Should I install
the fuse package?
# apt install fuse3
I then created the fuse group and added my userid to the fuse group.
Is this correct? Is doing this a problem? Does creating the fuse
group and adding the userid to the group actually help?
# groupadd fuse
# adduser fuse
With the popularity of XFCE, I would have expected that "network
browsing in the thunar file manager" would be fully supported by
default by now. Is there a reason it is not? My guess is there must
be some policy related reason.
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 07:34:20 +1100
George at Clug <Clug@goproject.info> wrote:
Hi,
Is anyone familiar with using Thunar to access Windows shares or Samba shares? I have found that after installing Debian Bookworm with XFCE,
that Thunar is 1) not able to display Windows shares or Samba shares,
2) not able to connect to connect to Windows shares or Samba shares.
Is it vital for you?
Does someone know how get Thunar to display and access Windows shares
or Samba shares?
I've never tried, but Thunar is generally not as polished or capable as Nautilus. It is still under development, still gaining capabilities. I
can remember when it didn't have 'extract here' for zip archives, not
that long ago.
But I mount shares on local directories with /etc/fstab, where of course Thunar has no difficulty in accessing them. They need to be mounted
noauto or boot will hang if they go missing, and are automounted on
first access. I access shares from various applications, so it makes
sense to mount them, I don't need to try browsing for shares in
unfamiliar networks. I'd probably use Nautilus or Konqueror for
something like that.
A quick Google does suggest difficulties with Thunar, but then SMB
shares are always difficult, especially where Windows is involved. Much sacrificing of chickens needed. These days I have no shares on
Windows, but it's hard enough getting Windows to deal properly with
Samba shares.
--
Joe
On Tue 31 Dec 2024 at 07:34:20 (+1100), George at Clug wrote:
In Debian Bookworm installations, why is gvfs-backends and gvfs-fuse
not installed by default when installing Debian with XFCE?
Because gvfs will function without those backends, so it would
be against policy to depend on those packages. OTOH gvfs-daemons
appears to be a dependency, and includes a minimal set of backends.
For network browsing in the thunar file manager, install gvfs-backends
and gvfs-fuse, and add your users to the "fuse" group (sudo adduser
fuse).
What is the issue of not having these two packages installed?
The package descriptions tell you:
"This package contains the afc, afp, archive, cdda, dav, dnssd, ftp,
gphoto2, http, mtp, network, sftp, smb and smb-browse backends."
and
"This package contains the gvfs-fuse server that exports gvfs mounts
to all applications using FUSE."
But when try to add my userid to the fuse group, I discover that the
fuse group does not exist, why is this?
Because there's no need for it as /dev/fuse has been read/writeable
since jessie; and no one has updated the wiki.
I think I found the "fuse" package was not installed. Should I install
the fuse package?
# apt install fuse3
I don't understand: fuse and fuse3 aren't the same package. I see that gvfs-fuse depends on fuse3, so I assume fuse won't work.
I then created the fuse group and added my userid to the fuse group.
Is this correct? Is doing this a problem? Does creating the fuse
group and adding the userid to the group actually help?
# groupadd fuse
# adduser fuse
I don't think there's any harm in your creating random groups
for fun :)
With the popularity of XFCE, I would have expected that "network
browsing in the thunar file manager" would be fully supported by
default by now. Is there a reason it is not? My guess is there must
be some policy related reason.
No idea. Maybe the answer is at https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=157776
and maybe not. I don't use gvfs, so most of the information above
comes from reading the package files.
Cheers,
David.
On Tuesday, 31-12-2024 at 12:12 David Wright wrote:
On Tue 31 Dec 2024 at 07:34:20 (+1100), George at Clug wrote:
I think I found the "fuse" package was not installed. Should I install the fuse package?
# apt install fuse3
I don't understand: fuse and fuse3 aren't the same package. I see that gvfs-fuse depends on fuse3, so I assume fuse won't work.
I did notice that when I installed gvfs-fuse that gvfs-fuse3 was removed. Hence I assumed that gvfs-fuse3 is a later version of gvfs-fuse. gvfs-fuse3 package does not exist in my LDME, nor in Debian Bookworm Gnome, so I am confused.
On Tue 31 Dec 2024 at 14:10:16 (+1100), George at Clug wrote:
On Tuesday, 31-12-2024 at 12:12 David Wright wrote:
On Tue 31 Dec 2024 at 07:34:20 (+1100), George at Clug wrote:
I think I found the "fuse" package was not installed. Should I install the fuse package?
# apt install fuse3
I don't understand: fuse and fuse3 aren't the same package. I see that gvfs-fuse depends on fuse3, so I assume fuse won't work.
I did notice that when I installed gvfs-fuse that gvfs-fuse3 was removed. Hence I assumed that gvfs-fuse3 is a later version of gvfs-fuse. gvfs-fuse3 package does not exist in my LDME.
I am too: I can't find any google hits for gvfs-fuse3, and neither
https://packages.debian.org/ nor https://tracker.debian.org/
can find it. The only mention is:
AI Overview
Learn more
GVfs-fuse3 is a package that provides limited access to GVfs
filesystems for applications that don't use GIO:
GVfs-fuse3
What it does
Exports GVfs mounts to applications that use FUSE
Part of
GVfs, a userspace virtual filesystem
Dependencies
Includes fuse3
GVfs is a userspace virtual filesystem that uses D-Bus to
communicate with mounts that run as separate processes.
It has a set of backends that support trash, SFTP, SMB, HTTP,
DAV, and more. GVfs also has modules for GIO that implement
volume monitors and persistent metadata storage.
but that could be AI just parroting.
Cheers,
David.
Joe,
Thanks for your reply which provides me with more information.
What do you know about Nemo? I noticed it is installed. When running
Nemo, it seems quite similar to Thunar.
I installed Nautilus. When I go to "Other Locations" in Nautilus, I
do not see any listed Windows/Samba shares. When I attempt to access
"Windows Network", I get the message "Failed to retrieve share list
from server..." message so I am guessing there is still something
missing in my Debian XFCE installation that would allow Nautilus to
discover Windows/Samba shares.
Thank you for your comment on mapping shares via fstab as I had
wondered if mounting shares with noauto would be possible.
Our main file share is SAMBA, which has worked well over the past
years with Windows 7 and Windows 10, and also Debian Linux.
For XFCE, I always install gvfs-backends and gvfs-fuse, then in
Thunar I use "smb://[ip address of Share]/[sharename] and bookmark
this connection. This process works well for me, but it would be nice
if Thunar was able do discover shares as I believe Thunar could
discover shares if whatever required supporting packages were
installed. Since Nemo is also not able to discover shares in my XFCE computer, I assume other supporting packages need to be installed for
this feature to work. But what would they be?
I have a test Fedora Gnome and a LDME Cinnamon computers and while
both behave differently, both find our file shares. I was not able to
see any difference in file share related packages between the LDME
computer and my Debian XFCE, though I expect I am missing something
as even Nautilus on my XFCE is not able to discover the file shares.
Of course Nautilus, Nemo, and Thunar work if I explicitly connect to
these shares.
With the popularity of XFCE, I would have expected that "network
browsing in the thunar file manager" would be fully supported by
default by now.
On Monday 30 December 2024 03:34:20 pm George at Clug wrote:
With the popularity of XFCE, I would have expected that "network
browsing in the thunar file manager" would be fully supported by
default by now.
No windows here at all, so I have no use for "windows shares" nor do I see any need for Samba and "samba shares" (is there a differene?). I do have network shares, originating on my file server, and specified in /etc/fstab. Works with thunar orany other file manager...
On Tue 31 Dec 2024 at 16:20:21 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
On Monday 30 December 2024 03:34:20 pm George at Clug wrote:
With the popularity of XFCE, I would have expected that "network
browsing in the thunar file manager" would be fully supported by
default by now.
I understood that paragraph to be complaining about the lack of
backends and fuse for browsing, but I suppose it could include the
missing shares-plugin as well.
any other file manager...No windows here at all, so I have no use for "windows shares" nor do I see any need for Samba and "samba shares" (is there a differene?). I do have network shares, originating on my file server, and specified in /etc/fstab. Works with thunar or
However, I don't think that's the OP's issue, because if you've
involved /etc/fstab then you must have root access. The plugin
is meant to allow users to share their folders _without_ needing
root access.
Cheers,
David.