Hello lumin, and thanks a lot for this work.

On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 12:56:59AM -0500, M. Zhou wrote:

https://salsa.debian.org/lumin/gr-ai-dfsg
(I turned the issues on. Feel free to open issues there)

before discussing specific details, my first reaction (and associated
question) is that the text is *very* long for a vote. Do you plan to
propose that full text as what will be voted on?

In general, I think it's better to keep a GR text short and to the
point, and post contextual material somewhere else. That somewhere else
can be the ensuing discussions on -project/-vote, possibly summarized in periodic messages, but can also reside in dedicated web pages like your
repo above.

I'm not saying this not only for "voting overhead", in particular for
voters who will discover this only at the time of call for votes, but
also because the longer the text is, higher are the chances that people
will disagree with at least some of the additional information material,
and will hence decide to vote against the GR for side reasons.

FWIW, I also agree with Holger that you should focus on the GR option
that you *want* to see adopted. Leave to others the burden of proposing alternative options to be added to the ballot.

Cheers
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On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 12:56:59AM -0500, M. Zhou wrote:

(5) what is the actionable outcome of this generaal resolution?

Is this actually unclear? The linked text claims this issue is urgent - usually, something is urgent because some issue demands action.

(6) is a neutral tone necessary for a proposal? I have a clear tendency throughout the texts.

I think it's okay to reveal a preference, but the "toxic candy" term is
rather unfortunate. You've defined the debate with terms that dismiss
the opposing viewpoint. Could you come up with a more neutral,
descriptive name?

Ross

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On Sun, 2025-02-02 at 00:56 -0500, M. Zhou wrote:

https://salsa.debian.org/lumin/gr-ai-dfsg

I overhauled the draft, and have split lots of rationales and background information to separate files as appendix. The current status looks like
a release candidate to me.

I'll further simplify the text, deleting more sentences as appropriate,
and rephrasing redundant language, in order to further shrink its length
while not losing key information.

That means the remaining work is something like language polishing.
When I'm feeling comfortable with the text length, the language, etc.,
I'll sign and post to -vote. That moment should be very soon.

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On Sun, 2025-04-13 at 00:57 -0400, M. Zhou wrote:

On Sun, 2025-02-02 at 00:56 -0500, M. Zhou wrote:

https://salsa.debian.org/lumin/gr-ai-dfsg

I signed and posted the proposal there: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2025/04/msg00101.html

This is my first time to create a GR. And I just learned from https://www.debian.org/vote/howto_follow
that we need 5 sponsors before it is open for discussion.

Much appreciated if folks are willing to second/sponsor or
propose something different to push this forward!

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