On Sun, 09 Mar 2025 17:17:52 +0100, Simon Josefsson
<simon@josefsson.org> wrote:

Right, in the sense that they embed non-free software in the hardware.

None of those machines require them to be loaded by me as a user for
them to be useful to me.

This distinction is important to me.

I find the version where I can choose whether to use the firmare or
not superior to not having the choice.

For me there are several reasons for wanting this, which ought to be >understandable for anyone reading this thread.

It isn't. I am too stupid to understand that from the explanaition
given.

The supply-chain
security trust concern of non-free firmware is a hot topic right now.

I would place less trust on the firmware that is on the device while
it rides the supply chain from the factory to my place.

It is fine to disagree that these are concerns worthy spending time on
within the Debian project, which is my perception of the vote outcome.

There are not concerns about spending time. There are no people
willing to do so.

Greetings
Marc
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 11:56:28 +0100, Simon Josefsson
<simon@josefsson.org> wrote:

Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> writes:

I still haven't heard arguments why people refuse to use an installer
that comes with non-free firmware, asks whether this firmware should
be used, and if answered "no", none of this non-free firmware ends up
in the installed system. The resulting system is free regardless
whether there was non-free firmware on the installation images.

https://www.gnu.org/distros/optionally-free-not-enough.html >https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/install-fest-devil.html

No thank you.

Greetings
Marc
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On 10/03/2025 09:57, Simon Josefsson wrote:

.... in a Salsa pipeline, and that seems to be a 5-10GB
artifact unless my math is off.

Hi Simon,

sadly, Salsa pipelines will only handle up to 250MB,
a long way short of even 5GB !

https://salsa.debian.org/salsa-ci-team/pipeline/-/issues/389


Cheers,
Peter

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