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On 2/08/2024 3:26 am, Alan wrote:
On 2024-08-01 05:35, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver
Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him
not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a
psych hit
realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he
thought
they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was then, a
team
in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as
much Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around him.
Oscar will have his day but the present and near future at McLaren
IMO should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team deciding
who wins a race.
McLaren fairly clearly had an agreement about keeping the order of
finish the same as immediately prior to the final pit stops of the race.
Norris was right to swap places if he agreed to that.
And if he had done it earlier, the presumably they would have been free
to subsequently race. Shoots himself in foot....
On 2024-08-01 05:35, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver
Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him
not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a psych
hit
realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he
thought
they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was then, a
team
in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as
much Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around him.
Oscar will have his day but the present and near future at McLaren IMO
should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team deciding who
wins a race.
McLaren fairly clearly had an agreement about keeping the order of
finish the same as immediately prior to the final pit stops of the race.
Norris was right to swap places if he agreed to that.
On 2024-08-04 15:27, Geoff wrote:
On 2/08/2024 3:26 am, Alan wrote:
On 2024-08-01 05:35, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver
Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him
not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a
psych hit
realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he
thought
they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was then,
a team
in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as
much Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around him.
Oscar will have his day but the present and near future at McLaren
IMO should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team deciding
who wins a race.
McLaren fairly clearly had an agreement about keeping the order of
finish the same as immediately prior to the final pit stops of the race. >>>
Norris was right to swap places if he agreed to that.
And if he had done it earlier, the presumably they would have been
free to subsequently race. Shoots himself in foot....
I'm sorry, but if WHO had done WHAT earlier?
On 5/08/2024 10:59 am, Alan wrote:
On 2024-08-04 15:27, Geoff wrote:
On 2/08/2024 3:26 am, Alan wrote:
On 2024-08-01 05:35, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver
Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him >>>>>>> not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a
psych hit
realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he >>>>>>> thought
they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was then, >>>>>> a team
in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as
much Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around
him. Oscar will have his day but the present and near future at
McLaren IMO should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team
deciding who wins a race.
McLaren fairly clearly had an agreement about keeping the order of
finish the same as immediately prior to the final pit stops of the
race.
Norris was right to swap places if he agreed to that.
And if he had done it earlier, the presumably they would have been
free to subsequently race. Shoots himself in foot....
I'm sorry, but if WHO had done WHAT earlier?
"....to swap places if he agreed to that."
I'm really looking forward to seeing how he does against Albon. I've
always thought Albon to be a top driver - and I think Sainz is up there
too. It'll be interesting, I think Albon will have the edge though.
On 5/08/2024 10:27 am, Geoff wrote:
On 2/08/2024 3:26 am, Alan wrote:
On 2024-08-01 05:35, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver
Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him
not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a
psych hit
realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he
thought
they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was then,
a team
in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as
much Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around him.
Oscar will have his day but the present and near future at McLaren
IMO should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team deciding
who wins a race.
McLaren fairly clearly had an agreement about keeping the order of
finish the same as immediately prior to the final pit stops of the race. >>>
Norris was right to swap places if he agreed to that.
And if he had done it earlier, the presumably they would have been
free to subsequently race. Shoots himself in foot....
How could he be free to race if they agreed to keep the order the same
as prior to the final pit stop? Lando's no dullard, if that was an
option he'd have taken it.
On 6/08/2024 12:56 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 5/08/2024 10:27 am, Geoff wrote:
On 2/08/2024 3:26 am, Alan wrote:
On 2024-08-01 05:35, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver
Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him >>>>>>> not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a
psych hit
realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he >>>>>>> thought
they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was then, >>>>>> a team
in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as
much Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around
him. Oscar will have his day but the present and near future at
McLaren IMO should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team
deciding who wins a race.
McLaren fairly clearly had an agreement about keeping the order of
finish the same as immediately prior to the final pit stops of the
race.
Norris was right to swap places if he agreed to that.
And if he had done it earlier, the presumably they would have been
free to subsequently race. Shoots himself in foot....
How could he be free to race if they agreed to keep the order the same
as prior to the final pit stop? Lando's no dullard, if that was an
option he'd have taken it.
We cannot know the details, but I would imagine such an agreement would relate to routine' pitstops , and not strategic ones like this.
not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a psych hit realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he thought
they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
On 2024-08-06 18:28, Geoff wrote:
On 6/08/2024 12:56 am, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 5/08/2024 10:27 am, Geoff wrote:
On 2/08/2024 3:26 am, Alan wrote:
On 2024-08-01 05:35, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver >>>>>> they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as >>>>>> much Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around
Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him >>>>>>>> not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a >>>>>>>> psych hit
realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he >>>>>>>> thought
they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was
then, a team
in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
him. Oscar will have his day but the present and near future at
McLaren IMO should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team
deciding who wins a race.
McLaren fairly clearly had an agreement about keeping the order of
finish the same as immediately prior to the final pit stops of the
race.
Norris was right to swap places if he agreed to that.
And if he had done it earlier, the presumably they would have been
free to subsequently race. Shoots himself in foot....
How could he be free to race if they agreed to keep the order the
same as prior to the final pit stop? Lando's no dullard, if that was
an option he'd have taken it.
We cannot know the details, but I would imagine such an agreement
would relate to routine' pitstops , and not strategic ones like this.
What is the difference between a "routine" and a "strategic" pitstop?
Both Piastri and Norris were on a two stop strategy.
Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him
not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a psych hit realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he thought they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was then, a team
in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
On 1/08/2024 9:29 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:I agree. Without the unwavering services of such a talented driver they couldn't have developed the car as much as they have. It's as much
Lando's relatively poor performance at Spa I think is down to him
not being able to keep the win in the previous race. He took a psych hit >>> realising that the team
he's spent so long developing with don't value him as much as he thought >>> they did and don't
consider him to be number one.
Yes. IIRC, Lando committed to a long contract with, what was then, a team
in the doldrums. That act of faith deserves a reward.
Lando's car as it is the design team's who built it around him. Oscar
will have his day but the present and near future at McLaren IMO should belong to Lando when it comes down to the team deciding who wins a race.